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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 18, 2017 19:14:55 GMT
I think Midnight's Edge hit the nail on the head perfectly here. Everybody is in a rush to make Avengers size profit but they've forgotten to take their time to really earn it and as a result they essentially create what can be described as two hour commercials for other movies down the road - This year's The Mummy is totally guilty of this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2017 19:55:26 GMT
They aren't willing to put in the time and effort, just the money.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2017 22:09:47 GMT
The Mummy failed because universal studios cared more about kick starting a shared universe, rather than making a good film. They should have looked at what worked out for their classic monster films instead of trying to play catch-up with Marvel.
Which is a shame because I wanted this Dark Universe to work.
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Post by scabab on Nov 18, 2017 22:43:00 GMT
They're mainly just trying to cash in on Marvels success.
Only Marvel and DC and at a push X-men really even warrant a Cinematic Universe. DC just rushed theirs.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 18, 2017 22:47:19 GMT
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 18, 2017 22:55:32 GMT
This is all proving to be quite a compliment to Marvel. Obviously what they've done is very hard to pull off. DC flailing about is an education in how easy it is to screw it up.
And just making decent movies is tough for everyone except Marvel. WB managed to make 2 really good/great Superman movies before failing with the 3rd...same with Batman. Finally the Nolan trilogy was 3 good movies in a row. Fox has epic failed so often it's become a bit of a joke. Sony too could only manage 2 good/great Spider-Man movies before slipping into fail mode.
And then we have Marvel with 17 critical successes in a row. They might actually be getting better as they go. (getting rid of Ike was big) Truly phenomenal.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2017 23:01:47 GMT
This is all proving to be quite a compliment to Marvel. Obviously what they've done is very hard to pull off. DC flailing about is an education in how easy it is to screw it up. And just making decent movies is tough for everyone except Marvel. WB managed to make 2 really good/great Superman movies before failing with the 3rd...same with Batman. Finally the Nolan trilogy was 3 good movies in a row. Fox has epic failed so often it's become a bit of a joke. Sony too could only manage 2 good/great Spider-Man movies before slipping into fail mode. And then we have Marvel with 17 critical successes in a row. They might actually be getting better as they go. (getting rid of Ike was big) Truly phenomenal. Even Superman II wasn't that good, considering how idiotic and unheroic Superman acted throughout it. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 18, 2017 23:48:20 GMT
This is all proving to be quite a compliment to Marvel. Obviously what they've done is very hard to pull off. DC flailing about is an education in how easy it is to screw it up. And just making decent movies is tough for everyone except Marvel. WB managed to make 2 really good/great Superman movies before failing with the 3rd...same with Batman. Finally the Nolan trilogy was 3 good movies in a row. Fox has epic failed so often it's become a bit of a joke. Sony too could only manage 2 good/great Spider-Man movies before slipping into fail mode. And then we have Marvel with 17 critical successes in a row. They might actually be getting better as they go. (getting rid of Ike was big) Truly phenomenal. Even Superman II wasn't that good, considering how idiotic and unheroic Superman acted throughout it. ...That's my favorite one.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 19, 2017 0:37:36 GMT
Even Superman II wasn't that good, considering how idiotic and unheroic Superman acted throughout it. ...That's my favorite one. I can see why, but once you analyze the film here's what he does:
1) Gives up his powers without a second thought so he can be with his deranged stalker. 2) Sadistically tortures Zod and co before they die (yeah I know they survive in one cut but I'm going with theatrical) 3) Goes back and beats up that redneck trucker when the guy was no threat to him. It was purely to get back at the guy for clobbering him earlier.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 19, 2017 0:49:39 GMT
...That's my favorite one. I can see why, but once you analyze the film here's what he does:
1) Gives up his powers without a second thought so he can be with his deranged stalker. 2) Sadistically tortures Zod and co before they die (yeah I know they survive in one cut but I'm going with theatrical) 3) Goes back and beats up that redneck trucker when the guy was no threat to him. It was purely to get back at the guy for clobbering him earlier.
All true. That's the problem with analyzing a movie....you will always uncover things like that. Try it with any movie you'll be amazed at how many problems you'll find. Supposedly Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made (according to some lists but not others), and the whole plot falls apart when you notice that no one was around to hear Kane say "Rosebud". |
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 19, 2017 0:54:38 GMT
Well, not getting into the fight of whether or not Citizen Kane was/is the best movie ever made (perhaps no such animal exists), but this legend has been debunked many times, including on this very board. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 0:56:49 GMT
Because they're not going the ground work necessary. There needed to be DCEU films in 2014 and 2015 if they wanted to have a Justice League film out now. Plus, they needed better architects than Goyer and Snyder.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 19, 2017 1:06:04 GMT
Replacing time with money. BVS or something similar to it seemed inevitable after the MCU boom as with inspiration comes imitation. But I'm shocked that Universal took no cues from that and just soldiered on with The Mummy (2017) and made some of the same mistakes.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 19, 2017 1:17:40 GMT
they are hiring the wrong people
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Post by merh on Nov 19, 2017 3:41:36 GMT
Marvel was done by comic book people who were as much fans as the audience.
The others are approached as movie studios, not fans.
Universal had a shared universe in the past as a shameless cash in in their popular monsters. No thought outside of profit, but it worked at the time.
All WB needs to do is put a comic person in charge of the DC movies.
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Post by scabab on Nov 19, 2017 3:55:12 GMT
That Godzilla and King Kong universe seems to be doing ok though.
Godzilla wasn't great but it was by no means bad, just needed more Godzilla and it was successful enough.
Skull Island was better, still not great but pretty good and again was quite successful.
It's only two movies, but with Godzilla 2 and the Godzilla be Kong movie on the way then that could be a somewhat successful shared universe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 9:49:43 GMT
That Godzilla and King Kong universe seems to be doing ok though. Godzilla wasn't great but it was by no means bad, just needed more Godzilla and it was successful enough. Skull Island was better, still not great but pretty good and again was quite successful. It's only two movies, but with Godzilla 2 and the Godzilla be Kong movie on the way then that could be a somewhat successful shared universe. Sorry but Kong Skull Island was not a good movie. There was zero chemestry between the human characters. No depth to even one of them. They were just there to run away from the monsters. This movie was lacking story, character and depth. It wasnt good on any level at all. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 20, 2017 12:57:09 GMT
Because Marvel Studios understands their own material and why it resonates with people, it's that simple. The rest of these attempted shared universes are purely a result of group think by executives who have no friggin' clue what people want out of those respective films.
That being said, it's a shame Justice League is going down in flames, because WB/DC finally got it right with WW and to me, they nailed it with JL as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 17:00:31 GMT
That Godzilla and King Kong universe seems to be doing ok though. Godzilla wasn't great but it was by no means bad, just needed more Godzilla and it was successful enough. Skull Island was better, still not great but pretty good and again was quite successful. It's only two movies, but with Godzilla 2 and the Godzilla be Kong movie on the way then that could be a somewhat successful shared universe. Sorry but Kong Skull Island was not a good movie. There was zero chemestry between the human characters. No depth to even one of them. They were just there to run away from the monsters. This movie was lacking story, character and depth. It wasnt good on any level at all. Not to mention it demonized the U.S. military. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 17:57:09 GMT
Sorry but Kong Skull Island was not a good movie. There was zero chemestry between the human characters. No depth to even one of them. They were just there to run away from the monsters. This movie was lacking story, character and depth. It wasnt good on any level at all. Not to mention it demonized the U.S. military. Cant be. Only the MCU clan do that. |
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