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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 1:35:43 GMT
Which of them is better ?
I have only seen Ben-Hur ( 1959 ) when i was 12 in 1995................Did not like it
I should proably re watch it.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 21, 2017 1:37:05 GMT
'59 version easily. The 2016 film isn't exactly terrible (Jesus has more dialogue in it than the Heston version) but it's mostly boring until the chariot race.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 21, 2017 1:38:45 GMT
Have you seen the silent version?
The 1959 version has one of the stiffest performances ever to win an Oscar. Still, it's all about the magnificent chariot race. Nearly 60 years on, it's a helluva piece of action. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 1:39:06 GMT
No one in the right mind would vote for the 2016 one...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 1:42:07 GMT
Have you seen the silent version?
No i haven't seen the silent version. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 21, 2017 5:00:13 GMT
Even though I found the '59 version dull, I could tell just from the trailers the '16 verison would be much, much worse.
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Post by leesilm on Nov 21, 2017 5:23:06 GMT
One thing I've gotta say for the 2016 version (besides having 2 of my favorite actors) - I love how they redeemed Masala this time. He doesn't die, he doesn't still hate Judah, Judah gets his brother back. I think with where the world is right now, the forgiveness and getting to start again was more the message we needed than M dying for his crimes. It isn't a perfect movie, I just really think it was good to change the ending to one of healing, rather than being so Old Testament.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Nov 21, 2017 7:20:28 GMT
I voted for Ben-Hur (1959) even though it's the only one I've seen. I just know that Ben-Hur (2016)...SUCKS.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 21, 2017 8:37:18 GMT
I voted for 'never seen either of them'. but i think ill eventually get around to seeing the 1959 version. the remake i probably won't ever bother with.
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Post by claudius on Nov 22, 2017 10:53:04 GMT
It's a shame about the 1925 silent version. Before 2016, it was one of the choices in these 'VS' debates. Now that a modern 'relevant' remake has come, its fallen to obscurity. Reading the '16 Amazon reviews, the '59 version is often referred to as the original. The film may not be a Gance, a Lang, or a Murnau, but its still an epic testimony of the silent era.
The '16 ending has been a mixed issue for viewers. I've read many reviews from viewers being touched by it. And then there are those who are discomforted by it. According to Trevor Aclea of the IMDb days, one theatre had goers make a constant habit of throwing food at the screen! One does see a symbolic progression in the tone of the resolution. The novel had post-race Judah writing off the surviving Messala, even though the latter continued to bedevil him with assassination attempts and blackmail. The 1925 version followed this disownment from his priorities. The 1959 version was the first to have Judah still keep to his bond; he attempts a reconciliation at Messala's deathbed, only for Messala to screw that over. Even so, he later views his friend as less a monster and more a beloved friend poisoned by Roman corruption. It should be noted that several animated versions (BEN-HUR: RACE FOR GLORY) originated Messala being redeemed and reconciled. I do find it interesting that the '59 version, done in an era of positive films, gave a bleak ending to the friendship while the '16 version, in an era of more grittier cynical filmmaking, gave a happier ending.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:10:19 GMT
Haven't seen either of them nor am I planning to.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Nov 22, 2017 13:23:22 GMT
Ben-Hur (1959)
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Post by NewtJorden on Nov 22, 2017 15:33:07 GMT
Ben-Hur 1959 of course. The 2016 version is one of the worst movie ever made.
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Post by vegalyra on Nov 22, 2017 16:43:18 GMT
The '59 version is what I grew up on. I saw it in the theater a few years ago on the big screen and I know now why it won so many awards. It isn't given justice on TV. Between the chariot race and the battle at sea between the Romans and the pirates it's just completely amazing.
The old silent version is good but the 2016 remake is pretty weak.
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Post by leesilm on Nov 23, 2017 4:26:14 GMT
It's a shame about the 1925 silent version. Before 2016, it was one of the choices in these 'VS' debates. Now that a modern 'relevant' remake has come, its fallen to obscurity. Reading the '16 Amazon reviews, the '59 version is often referred to as the original. The film may not be a Gance, a Lang, or a Murnau, but its still an epic testimony of the silent era. The '16 ending has been a mixed issue for viewers. I've read many reviews from viewers being touched by it. And then there are those who are discomforted by it. According to Trevor Aclea of the IMDb days, one theatre had goers make a constant habit of throwing food at the screen! One does see a symbolic progression in the tone of the resolution. The novel had post-race Judah writing off the surviving Messala, even though the latter continued to bedevil him with assassination attempts and blackmail. The 1925 version followed this disownment from his priorities. The 1959 version was the first to have Judah still keep to his bond; he attempts a reconciliation at Messala's deathbed, only for Messala to screw that over. Even so, he later views his friend as less a monster and more a beloved friend poisoned by Roman corruption. It should be noted that several animated versions (BEN-HUR: RACE FOR GLORY) originated Messala being redeemed and reconciled. I do find it interesting that the '59 version, done in an era of positive films, gave a bleak ending to the friendship while the '16 version, in an era of more grittier cynical filmmaking, gave a happier ending. That is very interesting- I hadn't thought of that. The '59 version was made at a time where a lot of movies did try to tie a nice bow on the ending and have more 'feel good' stuff to them, whereas now people are making all these bleak, pessimistic films with pretty sad opinions on friendship, love, etc. yet the '16 version/edition/remake has this hopeful, Hallmark movie ending. Very good point! I think another thing, at least for me, was in the '59 version I never felt the brotherly bond between M and Judah. They almost seemed like old acquaintances rather than brothers-in-all-but-blood. In the '16 version, I could really feel it. Granted, it does sort've start with Messala's carrying a bleeding, unconscious Judah through the city to get him home for help, then staying up all night waiting for Judah to wake only for Judah to instantly tease him. The '59 version almost seemed like Messala was competing with Judah and Judah was just walking around being Charlton Heston (which is not a bad thing, the man was Moses and at least one US president!) and seemingly oblivious to Messala's attempts to steal the limelight. Maybe that's why I prefer the latest version, though I do have a soft spot for the '59. PS: I think if you really want to see a terrible adaptation, watch the TV mini-series with VAMPIRE DIARIES/THE ORIGINALS's Klaus, SMALLVILLE's Kristen Kreuk, and KING ARTHUR's Ray Winstone. |
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Post by karryon99v2 on Nov 23, 2017 6:15:02 GMT
I never saw either of them.Would probably only see the 1959 version.
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