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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 21, 2017 15:20:53 GMT
... to spy on opponents' practices.
ESPN Brazil broke the story accusing Gremio (two days before they play on the Libertadores final against Lanus of Argentina) of routinely using drones to spy on their opponents' closed practices, both in the Brazilian league and on previous Libertadores rounds.
Despicable dishonest practice or just part of the game? What do you think? Personally I don't see much of a problem. How much of an advantage can seeing a practice session really give you? Football is not like American Football which relies heavily on set plays.
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Post by Father Jack on Nov 21, 2017 15:28:22 GMT
Poor sportsmanship. But unless it's against the league or cup rules, tough really innit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:49:04 GMT
Hard to say because I haven't played at professional level.
I doubt any teams play much 11-a-side in training, just because there are far better uses of your time to make rapid improvements on things you want to improve on or work on for your next game, so for a layman it might be difficult to interpret what they are working on at least some of the time.
But for a coach who has been in the game for years, I think they might find some gold, especially if it is two closely matched teams. And if you've been watching your opponents train every week, then watching them train the week before your game, you are going to be able to build a picture up on what things they are focusing on more ahead of your game, like pressing or one touch quick passing or defence v attack football or set-pieces or whatever and that would probably be pretty helpful to know ahead of your match. And you'll probably be able to pick up on what system they are likely playing, so you can't be caught out by any surprises on match day.
I think you'd always want as much information as possible in any walk of life, but it also comes down to how well you interpret and react to that information. Probably a bigger deal in American Football, but that doesn't mean the information would be useless in football.
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Post by Father Jack on Nov 21, 2017 15:52:24 GMT
Hard to say because I haven't played at professional level. I doubt any teams play much 11-a-side in training, just because there are far better uses of your time to make rapid improvements on things you want to improve on or work on for your next game, so for a layman it might be difficult to interpret what they are working on at least some of the time. But for a coach who has been in the game for years, I think they might find some gold, especially if it is two closely matched teams. And if you've been watching your opponents train every week, then watching them train the week before your game, you are going to be able to build a picture up on what things they are focusing on more ahead of your game, like pressing or one touch quick passing or defence v attack football or set-pieces or whatever and that would probably be pretty helpful to know ahead of your match. And you'll probably be able to pick up on what system they are likely playing, so you can't be caught out by any surprises on match day. I think you'd always want as much information as possible in any walk of life, but it also comes down to how well you interpret and react to that information. Probably a bigger deal in American Football, but that doesn't mean the information would be useless in football. Big deal in real football as well. Managers study recent videos of upcoming opponents, and tailor that weeks training and pre match talks accordingly. Even down in the conference. So 'intelligence' is a large part of the modern game. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
Hard to say because I haven't played at professional level. I doubt any teams play much 11-a-side in training, just because there are far better uses of your time to make rapid improvements on things you want to improve on or work on for your next game, so for a layman it might be difficult to interpret what they are working on at least some of the time. But for a coach who has been in the game for years, I think they might find some gold, especially if it is two closely matched teams. And if you've been watching your opponents train every week, then watching them train the week before your game, you are going to be able to build a picture up on what things they are focusing on more ahead of your game, like pressing or one touch quick passing or defence v attack football or set-pieces or whatever and that would probably be pretty helpful to know ahead of your match. And you'll probably be able to pick up on what system they are likely playing, so you can't be caught out by any surprises on match day. I think you'd always want as much information as possible in any walk of life, but it also comes down to how well you interpret and react to that information. Probably a bigger deal in American Football, but that doesn't mean the information would be useless in football. Big deal in real football as well. Managers study recent videos of upcoming opponents, and tailor that weeks training and pre match talks accordingly. Even down in the conference. So 'intelligence' is a large part of the modern game. Yeah, I think in any game that involves an element of strategy, which is almost every sport, it is going to be pretty useful to know what your opponents are up to if interpreted correctly (maybe not so much in stuff like darts, golf, bowling where it is turn based and you can't really effect your opponents except by maybe getting in their heads) |
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Post by Father Jack on Nov 21, 2017 16:04:17 GMT
Big deal in real football as well. Managers study recent videos of upcoming opponents, and tailor that weeks training and pre match talks accordingly. Even down in the conference. So 'intelligence' is a large part of the modern game. Yeah, I think in any game that involves an element of strategy, which is almost every sport, it is going to be pretty useful to know what your opponents are up to if interpreted correctly (maybe not so much in stuff like darts, golf, bowling where it is turn based and you can't really effect your opponents except by maybe getting in their heads) I don't think drone footage of a training session would be too much use though. Sounds more like gamesmanship, trying to fuck their psyche up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 16:10:28 GMT
Yeah, I think in any game that involves an element of strategy, which is almost every sport, it is going to be pretty useful to know what your opponents are up to if interpreted correctly (maybe not so much in stuff like darts, golf, bowling where it is turn based and you can't really effect your opponents except by maybe getting in their heads) I don't think drone footage of a training session would be too much use though. Sounds more like gamesmanship, trying to fuck their psyche up.
I was thinking about how good the footage would be. Can't say I've ever studied aerial shots of a training. And what kind of drone is it? If it is one of those toy type drones, they would spot it I think and the footage would probably be terrible, if it is one of those army type drones, well, be easier to just take them all out with a missile.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 21, 2017 17:22:22 GMT
Is there anyone named Belichick associated with Gremio?
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