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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 10, 2017 14:35:38 GMT
Nah. Bret's promos weren't vanilla. Heck, he laid a lot of the ground work for guys like Austin. Bret was cursing as much as Stone Cold was. Bret had a big part in the birth of the attitude era. Most people tend to forget that.
He was one of the few heels at the time that made good points. His character motivation had truth in it, and it came across well. He was doing what no one else was doing at the time. Cutting heel promos in the U.S. and face promos every where else. The anger and resentment in his voice was palpable.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 22:59:18 GMT
Shawn Michaels - The entire package, had it all. Promos were great, just awesome. His WM12 match was it for me, I wanted him to beat Bret so badly, I never liked Bret. Hell I wanted Owen to win at Summerslam in that cage match.
WM 14 Shawn left, and I wont lie, I quit for a bit. I would watch off and on and watched WcW and WWF. I saw this guy...nothing big, mid card at best....his name was Chris Jericho. His 1001 holds (Armbar anyone?) just gold. So I watched Raw off and on too. I saw the Rock doing a promo and I was curious who Y2J was. I was hoping it was Jericho, WcW never used the man properly. When his name came out on the titantron, I still say that's one of the biggest pops I've ever heard for a fn heel. It isnt just that, the dude...does he get hurt? He is a fn ironman. I cant recall one time he was legit hurt, he left to pursue other goals, but I just cant recall him being hurt. Shawn came back...now the question is...WMXIX who was it? Did I want Jericho or Shawn to win. Jericho I always felt the WWE could have done so much more with him.
Ok with that OT stuff, IDK Bret thing...it wasnt for me. "Best there is...best there was...best there ever will be." He just bored me. I thought he was a sub par promo, but I wont lie, he was one hell of a worker. His style just didnt fit "me." I loved Bret as a kid, but I always saw Shawn as the best. I did the exact same thing and stopped watching wrestling when he left. Jericho could've been WAY more than he became. And, to think, he's still working today! How much more import would his segments have now if they'd treated him differently then?
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Post by Jayman on Mar 10, 2017 23:01:14 GMT
The first time somebody was a heel in the states and a face in Canada? That could be true. Probably Dino Bravo did it though being a face in Montreal.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 23:38:07 GMT
The first time somebody was a heel in the states and a face in Canada? That could be true. Probably Dino Bravo did it though being a face in Montreal. Yup. Against Hogan, right?
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Post by Jayman on Mar 10, 2017 23:49:31 GMT
Did he? Did you see the match? I didn't know about that one. I didn't remember anything specific. I just figured since he's a Montreal guy he had to have done it.
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Post by Jayman on Mar 10, 2017 23:59:33 GMT
I see there's a match on youtube. I didn't remember that one at all. I guess I wouldn't since it wouldn't get coverage in the states or at that time. I may have to check that one out later on.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 0:16:07 GMT
Did he? Did you see the match? I didn't know about that one. I didn't remember anything specific. I just figured since he's a Montreal guy he had to have done it. Nope. My bad, dude. Your comment spurred a memory from an old episode of The Bruce Mitchell Audio Show, a podcast from the Pro Wrestling Torch, in which Mitchell discussed the heel/face dynamic between Bravo and Hogan. I must've forgotten the conclusion to the story; here's what I found from Bravo's Wikipedia page: "In the early 1980s, Bravo and King Tonga (later known as Haku) formed a tag team for a brief while, but never got much of a push. Bravo was scheduled to headline a card against Hulk Hogan in 1986, but the match was cancelled on short notice, with Bravo leaving the company shortly thereafter; the rumour was that the company did not want the Montreal crowd to cheer Bravo, the home town hero, over Hogan, and that Bravo quit after finding out...."
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Post by Jayman on Mar 11, 2017 0:32:27 GMT
Ohh ok. I guess the match that's up there is not from montreal. He was always pretty big in that Montreal territory the IWA so the people loved him over there so I guess that makes sense.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 0:44:15 GMT
Weirdly enough as I was reading your response his match against Jim Duggan happened to come on during my annual rewatch of WrestleMania VI, which I've on in the background.
Tomorrow, Hogan vs Slaughter atop the card for Mania VII...
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Post by Jayman on Mar 11, 2017 0:46:21 GMT
Is that your favorite wrestle mania? Damn I don't even remember most of them. Maybe some day I'll start rewatching those
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 1:02:53 GMT
Is that your favorite wrestle mania? Damn I don't even remember most of them. Maybe some day I'll start rewatching those VI is one of my favorites, particularly the main event, but I rewatch all the WrestleManias every March in the run-up to Mania. VII is pretty good too; notable matches are the retirement match between Savage and Warrior, the infamous blindfold match between Jake Roberts and Rick Martell, and the main event.
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Post by Jayman on Mar 11, 2017 1:07:06 GMT
Oh that's cool. That's a good way to lead up to the current wrestle mania. Now that you mention that blindfold match, I do remember that one.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 1:08:44 GMT
Oh that's cool. That's a good way to lead up to the current wrestle mania. Now that you mention that blindfold match, I do remember that one. It's a ridiculously stupid concept and an objectively terrible match. So naturally I love it out of childhood nostalgia.
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Post by Jayman on Mar 11, 2017 1:14:04 GMT
Yeah I hear ya. lol It worked with the live crowd I guess because it got everybody involved to lead the guy in the right direction when he points. But from a viewing standpoint there's really not a whole lot happening in the match itself.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 1:18:19 GMT
Yeah I hear ya. lol It worked with the live crowd I guess because it got everybody involved to lead the guy in the right direction when he points. But from a viewing standpoint there's really not a whole lot happening in the match itself. I know lol It's just Jake and the model crawling around for ten minutes until Roberts gets ahold of him and DDTs him. Classic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 14:38:11 GMT
Via 3/8/17 Ross Report Podcast with Shawn Michaels as he talks about The Kliq getting together to tell stories before WrestleMania (Shawn, Kev, Scott, Kid)
Shawn: "I understand there is some information out there that isn't always accurate. And ya know coming from the guys that were actually apart of it. I know that people get a kick out of hearing what me and Undertaker talked about with our history together and stuff like that leading up to the last two matches and just how special they were. As you pointed out, you don't always get those people together and those perspectives and for the most part granted not everybody some people are bitter and angry about things that happened 20 years ago. People love the conflict of this side and that side."
Stuff like this makes me love Shawn Michaels even more. So many shoot interviews are focused around Shawn Michaels being a dick. Even in shoot interviews by people long out of the business HBK seems to be a focus. I love hearing HBK stories. Then hearing HBK's version of some of these stories and The Kliq stories. I LOVE Kliq stories and I'd love to go to this event. I bring this up because Shawn is obviously making a dig at Bret. Even now after they'd "made up" which I do believe they did. But still...that line from HBK is HARSH and I do love it!
Things like this remind me of why HBK is to me the best of all time. Barely anyone could touch him in the ring and damn it when he wanted to be a dick he could be and it was f'ing awesome! He could relate to an audience and he could then tell them to shove it. Dick HBK was to me possibly the best on screen character because he was being himself amped up to 12. His feud going up into Survivor Series 97 they both were amazing because you bought the hatred. I STILL love the "Sunny Days" comment HBK made.
The best thing is, you saw that HBK still had that when he feuded with Hogan. HBK owned Hogan in all of those promo's and that Larry King segment is one of the all time greats.
In the end, I LOVE listening to HBK stories whether it's from the source or from a person who has a grudge. To me...it seems like anyone who brings up HBK in shoots = ratings. It honestly seems like anybody in a shoot scenario gets an HBK question because that's what people wanna hear.
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