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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:36:25 GMT
Name yours. I know companies rarely acknowledged each other when it came to a wrestler 'debuting' - and a company would be hesitant to recognize a sports entertainers past. However - somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Seems early 90s WWF had: Hogan: WWF Champ Flair: NWA Champ Martel: AWA Champ Hennig: AWA Champ Von Erich: WCCW Champ All on the roster at the same time. People talk about the missed opportunity of Hogan Vs. Flair at 'Mania - but what about - Hogan Vs. Von Erich, Hogan Vs. Martel, Flair Vs. Von Erich, etc? Missed opportunity in my eyes. Kind of odd in a way too - how people like to state McMahon would bury outside talent - if that was the case wouldn't you think he'd just make a point of Hogan running through the above and acknowledging who they were? Thoughts? Discuss And please post your 'Missed Opportunities'  |
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Post by Cezar on Mar 5, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:28:29 GMT
Did Hogan have creative control back then? I agree Vader should have been WWF Champ. I'm the biggest NWA/WCW mark out there. But when I hear the argument Vince liked to bury outside talent, I kind of roll my eyes. Just look at what he's doing with Goldberg right now and over a decade ago. Look at what he did with Booker. Jericho. Guerrero. Benoit. Mysterio. The list goes on and on. He's even thrown the belt to 'Indy Darlings' like Punk and Bryan and Balor and Owens. I don't buy the argument Vince just buries outside talent. Do I think the nWo should have made more of a run if Hogan, Hall and Nash stayed together? Yep. Sting go over Trips at 'Mania? Yep. Steiner gotten a better push? Yep. DDP not get buried? Yep. Two sides of a story. I think it's easy to crush Vince for not rolling with some and rolling with others - but the old argument of burying outside talent? This guy doesn't get it. |
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 5, 2017 21:55:57 GMT
Sadly, Vader WAS going to win the title. Shawn didnt like Vader, no go.
Im gonna go a little different on an opportunity I felt missed, and it's WM9.
Yokozuna shouldnt have won the rumble. Mr Perfect was over, as over as hed ever get. He should have won the rumble that year. Mr. Perfect Vs Bret Hart V2 (KOTR 93 didnt happen yet). Now that leaves a few issues....what do we do with Yokozuna and Lex for WM9, squash matches.
I'd had Yokozuna go over both natural disasters, Earthquake and Typhoon, still setting him up for a massive run.
Lex, go over Owen, Koko, Tito Santana, or Virgil.
Lastly the entire Perfect V Flair loser leaves WWF match. It would have been fine, just say if Perfect loses, not only does he leave the WWF but Flair gets his Wrestlemania title shot.
Now the question is, would Hogan pull the bs he did at WM9 with Bret and Perfect, idk. I'd had Perfect get his first title run, and lets be real, WM9 was awful.
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 6, 2017 15:24:45 GMT
Brock Lesnar vs Batista at WrestleMania 30. This was a no-brainer match imo, especially since they were getting a lot of hype off of their gimmicks going into the Royal Rumble.
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 6, 2017 15:26:01 GMT
Oh yeah, and of course there's the Undertaker vs Sting match. WWE finally had them both, and they stayed away from each other the entire time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 17:15:38 GMT
Oh yeah, and of course there's the Undertaker vs Sting match. WWE finally had them both, and they stayed away from each other the entire time. great one. what was Vince thinking? i - along with a ton of other fans - would still love to see it. i don't care if they're old and can barely move. it's entertainment and a 'story'. there's ways of protecting a wrestler - you can have run ins galore like the Trips/Sting match. they just gave Goldberg the strap wrestling another 30 second match. you mean to tell me they can't throw Sting and 'Taker in the same ring for 5 minutes which the whole world has been clamoring to see for eons? |
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Post by Jayman on Mar 6, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
They went around the horn with the Hogan/flair matches but I think they didn't draw for some reason. I would think there had to be a way to capitalize on that. WCW did and got a good buyrate on a ppv if I remember correctly. I think Kerry von erich was in really bad shape by that point. Half the time he was in no condition to wrestle so I don't think they could depend on him for any big matches. But I really believe the core wwf fanbase at the time didn't give a rat's ass about any other wrestling or any other promotion but the wwf past or present. I knew a lot of fans like that too. I could never understand or relate to that. Once I got into wrestling I wanted to watch as many different promotions as I could. I could understand if you're a 9 year old kid or something like that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:30:48 GMT
They went around the horn with the Hogan/flair matches but I think they didn't draw for some reason. I would think there had to be a way to capitalize on that. WCW did and got a good buyrate on a ppv if I remember correctly. I think Kerry von erich was in really bad shape by that point. Half the time he was in no condition to wrestle so I don't think they could depend on him for any big matches. But I really believe the core wwf fanbase at the time didn't give a rat's ass about any other wrestling or any other promotion but the wwf past or present. I knew a lot of fans like that too. I could never understand or relate to that. Once I got into wrestling I wanted to watch as many different promotions as I could. I could understand if you're a 9 year old kid or something like that sad clip of those days. von erich vs. martel. apparently von erich was out of it. Kerry Von Erich Vs. Rick Martelwould have been some great stuff if these two (in their proper condition) were catapulted to the main event. |
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Post by Jayman on Mar 6, 2017 22:39:40 GMT
Yeah somebody actually posted a clip of that on another board. I don't think I watched it as it aired or I would've remember that. Pretty bad. He didn't have his father and the whole city of Dallas covering for him this time. But it probably went unnoticed by the fans in attendance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:46:09 GMT
Yeah somebody actually posted a clip of that on another board. I don't think I watched it as it aired or I would've remember that. Pretty bad. He didn't have his father and the whole city of Dallas covering for him this time. But it probably went unnoticed by the fans in attendance That kid had it all. The look and charisma. I'll admit - I'm one for promo skills and mic work - which he lacked a bit - but he was an Icon (with his family in Texas). It's really a shame he couldn't get a hold of his demons. This is a guy that beat Flair back in the day for the NWA belt - during territory wars (correct me if I'm wrong). I get he dropped it less than a month later because he wasn't 'reliable' - but it just shows if he managed to clean himself up and beat his demons - he could have been on top of the world for a long time. Apparently this is his last match recorded. Sad. In Philly. Looks like a hotel basement with another legend (RIP) - Woman. Apparently Von Erich comes out in a mask to hide his character but forget to take the 'Kerry' robe off according to the description and posts. Kerry Von Erich's Last Match in Philly |
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Post by Jayman on Mar 6, 2017 22:55:57 GMT
He did and he was big money. Like you said, terrible promo, but he had the look. You're right though, he probably would've had a much longer run. Eventually Flair would've gotten it sooner or later. David was really the one that the NWA was interested in for a run from what I hear. But of course it was too late by then.
I don't have access to video right now, but I know the match you're talking about. I used to have that show on VHS. I'll take a look at that later it's been a long time since I saw that one. I think that show had Eddie Gilbert in the main event?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 23:25:12 GMT
He did and he was big money. Like you said, terrible promo, but he had the look. You're right though, he probably would've had a much longer run. Eventually Flair would've gotten it sooner or later. David was really the one that the NWA was interested in for a run from what I hear. But of course it was too late by then. I don't have access to video right now, but I know the match you're talking about. I used to have that show on VHS. I'll take a look at that later it's been a long time since I saw that one. I think that show had Eddie Gilbert in the main event? wow. 'hotstuff' eddie gilbert. another sad story. didn't he have something to do with starting up the original ECW - when it was 'eastern championship wrestling' as opposed to 'extreme'? know he was a legend down in the southern territories too that faced demons. if memory serves - he was on a 'Clash of the Champions' with NWA/WCW - pretty much my favorite 'free' PPV style event like WWE's Saturday Night's Main Event - and I just remember thinking to myself - sad this 'legend' from another territory is getting jobbed like this. Probably a brief stint - you probably know better than me - run amounted to nothing - took a 'flame' in the face if I remember correctly. |
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Post by Jayman on Mar 6, 2017 23:36:52 GMT
Eddie was the booker for awhile in 1993 before Paul Heyman came in. From what I remember. I don't think he took it too seriously though. But the clashes were great. Better than a lot of ppv's. I think Dusty Rhodes wasn't too high on him so it didn't work out. Or something like he was gonna be the booker but there was some sort of power struggle going on. I used to know all this stuff but I forgot lol. In memphis he was really able to do his thing. That's the stuff I prefer when watching Gilbert. UWF was also great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 9:25:26 GMT
The nixed feud between Hogan and Jake Roberts. If I remember right Roberts hit Hogan with the DDT during a taped Snake Pit segment and the crowd cheered. Hogan being Hogan was not pleased with this and vetoed the feud and I don't believe that segment ever aired. Oh how a Jake Roberts WWF title run could of been awesome.
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Mar 7, 2017 19:13:41 GMT
Sable - A shot at the intercontinental championship.
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