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Post by general313 on Mar 6, 2017 1:05:15 GMT
This "threat vector" has been used by priesthood of various religions throughout history to maintain the flock. The competition is not just atheism (that's just a small minority) but competing religions. It goes from touchy feelings to outright Jihad. Seriously? I don't know about what you have been reading but I have never in my life come across any threats. Either in my atheist childhood or my adult life. The "threat" begins as the threat of displeasing the gods, or in the case of Christianity falling out of grace which is a threat to one's eternal salvation. Those that live in the "first world" mostly don't see the escalation to physical violence, but those that live the Middle East or lived in medieval Europe saw a bit more of that.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 1:10:50 GMT
Seriously? I don't know about what you have been reading but I have never in my life come across any threats. Either in my atheist childhood or my adult life. The "threat" begins as the threat of displeasing the gods, or in the case of Christianity falling out of grace which is a threat to one's eternal salvation. Those that live in the "first world" mostly don't see the escalation to physical violence, but those that live the Middle East or lived in medieval Europe saw a bit more of that. Physical violence? Seriously? Why would atheists care about displeasing a God they don't believe exists? To be clear, I repeat that neither in my atheist childhood nor my mostly believing adulthood have I ever heard any threats.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 2:44:43 GMT
This "threat vector" has been used by priesthood of various religions throughout history to maintain the flock. The competition is not just atheism (that's just a small minority) but competing religions. It goes from touchy feelings to outright Jihad. Seriously? I don't know about what you have been reading but I have never in my life come across any threats. Either in my atheist childhood or my adult life. I think that you misunderstand. I think that a lot of theists feel threatened by hearing arguments against the existence of God.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 6:47:36 GMT
Seriously? I don't know about what you have been reading but I have never in my life come across any threats. Either in my atheist childhood or my adult life. I think that you misunderstand. I think that a lot of theists feel threatened by hearing arguments against the existence of God. You think that? Guess what, you're wrong.
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Post by geode on Mar 6, 2017 6:49:31 GMT
I think that you misunderstand. I think that a lot of theists feel threatened by hearing arguments against the existence of God. You think that? Guess what, you're wrong. Actually you are the one that is wrong. I personally know believers that shun hearing such arguments because their faith is threatened by them.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 7:36:53 GMT
You think that? Guess what, you're wrong. Actually you are the one that is wrong. I personally know believers that shun hearing such arguments because their faith is threatened by them. Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 6, 2017 7:55:33 GMT
Actually you are the one that is wrong. I personally know believers that shun hearing such arguments because their faith is threatened by them. Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers But your anecdotes are gospel.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 8:03:06 GMT
Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers But your anecdotes are gospel. Grow up. Any anecdotes I tell are to illustrate the point, they don't pretend to be the point. Also they are believable unlike his.
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Post by general313 on Mar 6, 2017 16:25:35 GMT
Actually you are the one that is wrong. I personally know believers that shun hearing such arguments because their faith is threatened by them. Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers I experienced it myself in my transition from Christian to atheist. It definitely lengthened that transition period. I remember often feeling very uncomfortable whenever I was exposed to anything that challenged my faith, especially in the early stages of my transition.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 6, 2017 20:31:01 GMT
But your anecdotes are gospel. Any anecdotes I tell are to illustrate the point How can they illustrate anything if they're not evidence for anything?
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Post by thefleetsin on Mar 6, 2017 20:53:08 GMT
the world is littered with the handed down fables and fairy tale desires of those who want a deity to exist. if only to perpetuate their own vested interest in having that deity around.
to date, there is absolutely no proof that any god(s) have ever existed.
and no manner of wishing and wanting has yet to materialize one.
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Post by geode on Mar 6, 2017 21:02:52 GMT
Actually you are the one that is wrong. I personally know believers that shun hearing such arguments because their faith is threatened by them. Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers Actually it is evidence known by me first hand. It matters not what you believe, as I am part of a community of believers including myself. What you think is completely wrong. I think there is a very good chance I know more believers than you do.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 22:07:02 GMT
Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers I experienced it myself in my transition from Christian to atheist. It definitely lengthened that transition period. I remember often feeling very uncomfortable whenever I was exposed to anything that challenged my faith, especially in the early stages of my transition. So you represent all Christians?
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 22:09:29 GMT
Your anecdote is not evidence. I don't believe you, for one thing I don't think that you actually know any believers Actually it is evidence known by me first hand. It matters not what you believe, as I am part of a community of believers including myself. What you think is completely wrong. I think there is a very good chance I know more believers than you do. There's no chance that is true, you'd have to know 300+ but I wonder what you actually believe in, Aren't you a former mormon now agnostic?
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Post by Karl Aksel on Mar 6, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
I'm an atheist and I do wish there was a god. Or several. A pantheon would be cool.
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Post by awhina on Mar 7, 2017 0:59:49 GMT
Any anecdotes I tell are to illustrate the point How can they illustrate anything if they're not evidence for anything? They are not meant to be evidence, they support evidence. Do get a sense of perspective.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 7, 2017 1:13:51 GMT
How can they illustrate anything if they're not evidence for anything? They are not meant to be evidence, they support evidence. So mind explaining how they can support anything if they're not evidence?
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 7, 2017 15:43:37 GMT
A belief in a god gives me emotional satisfaction all right but I wouldnt get offended or annoyed if someone challenged it. If it was proven that my unique conception of god doesnt exist then I would be disappointed but I would except it.
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Post by general313 on Mar 7, 2017 15:48:04 GMT
I experienced it myself in my transition from Christian to atheist. It definitely lengthened that transition period. I remember often feeling very uncomfortable whenever I was exposed to anything that challenged my faith, especially in the early stages of my transition. So you represent all Christians? Of course not. But do you think I'm the only one who felt this way?
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Post by awhina on Mar 8, 2017 6:05:37 GMT
So you represent all Christians? Of course not. But do you think I'm the only one who felt this way? You are the only one that I have ever come across. Maybe it's an American thing?
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