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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 2, 2017 6:40:02 GMT
No, the Wonder Woman movie was always going to be released first. Because MCU would've never made a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led movie if WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first. And the DCEU would've never been announced had it been for the MCU. So if there's no MCU, no DCEU, therefore, no Wonder Woman movie. And thee would be no Avengers and no MCU if DC hadn't published the Justice League comic in the 1960s and it became such a huge hit that Stan Lee's boss at Marvel told him to create a superhero team for Marvel. So it there's no Justice League, then no Avengers, therefore no MCU.
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Post by sostie on Dec 2, 2017 11:11:41 GMT
Which is a riskier proposition for a film studio?....a $300m movie about Han Solo, or a $150m about brand new created character in a newly created franchise? Extreme theoretical examples but still shows the point I am trying to make. Your invalid example shows that you still don't understand risk. But at least we now know why you don't understand risk. You're confusing risk with odds. No, you don't seem to realise that there are factors involved in taking a risk other than what you stake Firstly let's not use examples with sports and teams most of the world neither care or know about. But scanning through your missive it seems one of those teams is better than the other thus increasing odds. It also increeases the risk if you bet against them. Risk and odds are not exclusive of each other, and can both apply at the same time. How much you stake is not the only factor you consider when taking a risk. Yes they did. They had them from the start. It is WONDER WOMAN. Stop ignoring and denying her standing in popular culture and comic book history. Thank you. You have admitted you are wrong. You say Marvel take ZERO risk. Yeah same way it was a disadvantage because of those that grew up watching Batman on TV! Absolute bull. Wonder Woman is in effect an established "brand". Compare that to Blade. And you ignore all the other factors of course - timing, rating, established prodution company etc So? Who? Who?. A what?. Yawwwwwn
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Post by sostie on Dec 2, 2017 11:15:52 GMT
You've just proven that MCU is misogynist. Anyone else remember Suicide Squad...featuring that wonderful character Harley Quinn's Ass
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 2, 2017 11:19:16 GMT
He actually said that? Lmao...
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 12:53:28 GMT
You keep making these kind of comments. Just because another series shares the flaw doesn't stop the relevant series from having that flaw. It means you should rip into them as much as the MCU. When they're THAT bad, I agree. You can't grow to like someone in 1 movie? Which shows her entire character was a big waste, because Nolan saw nothing to her but being a trophy/object. As he usually does with women. Waste.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 12:54:22 GMT
You've just proven that MCU is misogynist. MCU hates female superheroes. That's why MCU hasn't had a female lead in any of their 17 movies so far. Blame Ike Perlmutter.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 12:55:14 GMT
No, the Wonder Woman movie was always going to be released first. Because MCU would've never made a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led movie if WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first. Nope, everything the DCEU has done is in reaction to the MCU. WW was just lucky that Feige couldn't get Perlmutter out of the way fast enough otherwise we'd have gotten Captain Marvel years ago.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 12:56:10 GMT
And the DCEU would've never been announced had it been for the MCU. So if there's no MCU, no DCEU, therefore, no Wonder Woman movie. And thee would be no Avengers and no MCU if DC hadn't published the Justice League comic Nope, the JL were unnecessary. Marvel and the Avengers would exist with or without them. Just like how comics in general never needed Superman's existence.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 15:33:31 GMT
Shhh....some people around here don't understand that lowering the budget lowers the risk. Exacrly! That's why Elektra and Punisher: Warzone were very low risk compared to Wonder Woman. Add the budgets of Elektra and Punisher: Warzone together and that's only about half the budget of Wonder Woman. So Wonder Woman was a HUGE risk but Elektra and Punisher: Warzone were not much risk at all. But your pal sostie doesn't seem to understand that. It's pretty much the same risk. They allocate budgets according to how much they think they can make. If they think a character can make more money, they feel comfortable spending more. A studio is naturally going to spend more to make a WW movie than an Elektra or Punisher movie. The "risk" doesn't change...the budget changes.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 16:16:47 GMT
formersamhmd That's just so silly, like you're trying to find something to criticize it for. Both Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent loved Rachel Dawes, she was murdered and it changed their lives. A common occurrence in film and real life. The same happens in reverse like in Wonder Woman but that's ok then because it's a man who died? No that isn't misogynistic. What is misogynistic is this. Where you have a poster that includes several characters, male and female but they have the female character turned on her side only for the purpose of showing her ass. Or them making 17 entire movies, none of them having a female lead. Two genders, 50/50 and yet male to female leads is 100/0. WB went several decades without doing Wonder Woman. And they have....WONDER WOMAN. Kinda easier to do a movie when you have that character. Here is DC not being misogynistic....in theaters now:
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Post by scabab on Dec 2, 2017 16:38:37 GMT
harpospokeWell the image you quoted wasn't meant to have anything to do with Wonder Woman, it just usefully included the three Marvel examples together. I also don't see anything wrong with those examples. She's just....turned around. That's not the same as having posters for characters where the male characters stand forward and then the female character stands at an obvious angle where we can still both the face and the ass. Which is done for sexist reasons. Here's another one. It's even got an article about it moviepilot.com/p/examining-the-movie-poster-butt-pose/4303400
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 17:23:52 GMT
harpospoke Well the image you quoted wasn't meant to have anything to do with Wonder Woman, it just usefully included the three Marvel examples together. I also don't see anything wrong with those examples. She's just....turned around. The JL movie gave us rather "sexy" shots of her to exploit her physical beauty.
Snyder does this almost as much as Michael Bay.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 17:30:05 GMT
harpospoke Well the image you quoted wasn't meant to have anything to do with Wonder Woman, it just usefully included the three Marvel examples together. I also don't see anything wrong with those examples. She's just....turned around. That's not the same as having posters for characters where the male characters stand forward and then the female character stands at an obvious angle where we can still both the face and the ass. Which is done for sexist reasons. Here's another one. It's even got an article about it moviepilot.com/p/examining-the-movie-poster-butt-pose/4303400 I doubt they could have legally made WW's shorts any shorter in JL. There is no narrative reason to do that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 3, 2017 0:00:48 GMT
No, the Wonder Woman movie was always going to be released first. Because MCU would've never made a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led movie if WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first. Nope, everything the DCEU has done is in reaction to the MCU. WW was just lucky that Feige couldn't get Perlmutter out of the way fast enough otherwise we'd have gotten Captain Marvel years ago. Nope, everything Marvel does is in reaction to DC. DC created the Justice League and the comics were best-sellers. So Marvel reacts by having Stan Lee create superhero teams for Marvel.
And NO, if WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie, then MCU would've never made a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led superhero movie. Because MCU hates putting female superheroes in lead roles in their movies. That's why all 17 of MCU's movies have had a Caucasian male lead.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:02:27 GMT
Nope, everything the DCEU has done is in reaction to the MCU. WW was just lucky that Feige couldn't get Perlmutter out of the way fast enough otherwise we'd have gotten Captain Marvel years ago. Nope, everything Marvel does is in reaction to DC.
Other way around. DC's been doing nothing but reacting to Marvel for over 50 years.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 3, 2017 0:03:37 GMT
And thee would be no Avengers and no MCU if DC hadn't published the Justice League comic Nope, the JL were unnecessary. Marvel and the Avengers would exist with or without them. Just like how comics in general never needed Superman's existence. Nope, the Avengers (and by extension the MCU) wouldn't have existed if not for the Justice League. And even Stan Lee has admitted that himself.
So whatever BS story you're trying to sell won't work because even the creator of the Avengers himself has admitted that the Avengers wouldn't have existed if not for the Justice League. So YOU LOSE this argument.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 3, 2017 0:07:35 GMT
harpospoke Well the image you quoted wasn't meant to have anything to do with Wonder Woman, it just usefully included the three Marvel examples together. I also don't see anything wrong with those examples. She's just....turned around. The JL movie gave us rather "sexy" shots of her to exploit her physical beauty.
Snyder does this almost as much as Michael Bay.
Wow! You've just proven that MCU fans really are misogynist. MCU fans complain about Wonder Woman wearing a skirt when MCU constantly shows Cap and Thor without their shirts. That's hypocrisy and misogynistic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 0:09:23 GMT
The JL movie gave us rather "sexy" shots of her to exploit her physical beauty.
Snyder does this almost as much as Michael Bay.
Wow! You've just proven that MCU fans really are misogynist. MCU fans complain about Wonder Woman wearing a skirt when MCU constantly shows Cap and Thor without their shirts. That's hypocrisy and misogynistic. justanaveragejoe, DC-Fan is putting down MCU fans again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:25:16 GMT
Nope, the JL were unnecessary. Marvel and the Avengers would exist with or without them. Just like how comics in general never needed Superman's existence. Nope, the Avengers (and by extension the MCU) wouldn't have existed if not for the Justice League.
Revisionist history, Marvel would exist just fine. In fact, comics would exist just fine without DC. This is just DC fans trying to make themselves feel important.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:26:12 GMT
The JL movie gave us rather "sexy" shots of her to exploit her physical beauty.
Snyder does this almost as much as Michael Bay.
MCU fans complain about Wonder Woman wearing a skirt when MCU constantly shows Cap and Thor without their shirts. That's Treating women with more respect than men, apparently.
The...exact opposite of misogyny.
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