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Post by sariz on Mar 5, 2017 19:38:07 GMT
Do you guys think this trend of Anti heroes taking over our movie and tv screens is for good or one day the classic heroe will return to be the king ?
Lately when i think of Spielberg i think of him as a revel and outdated guy clinging to giving us classic good guys as our leads while everyone one else has moved on from that even Super Heroes are not that good anymore they have gotten closer to be Anti heroes.
Tv made this huge with Tony Soprano and then House settled that idea and these characters took over our screens even James Bond has changed due to this trend.
So do you think this came here to stay or one Day people will prefer the classic hero again ?
Film with classic good vs bad is kids stuff for Disney or cartoons for kids.
Has anyone seen the latest trailer for Pirates of the Caribbean it looks much more darker than the previous films and completely took the romance away.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 5, 2017 19:52:14 GMT
I hope its not for good but I don't know,
It seems since 9/11 in real life and 24 in television that all main characters have to be characters who are almost indistinguishable from the bad guys, I mean look at Rick in the Walking Dead these days.
I miss good characters doing good things for the sake of good clean entertainment, but that is seen as too camp these days.
I'm not saying every character has to be like Adam West Batman but I also don't like seeing all the main 'good' characters acting like thugs and ruffians that people are meant to root for because they are the main character.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 5, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
Everything invites push-back after a while. Television might see the return of traditional heroic protagonists in the future.
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Post by sariz on Mar 5, 2017 22:15:08 GMT
I hope its not for good but I don't know, It seems since 9/11 in real life and 24 in television that all main characters have to be characters who are almost indistinguishable from the bad guys, I mean look at Rick in the Walking Dead these days. I miss good characters doing good things for the sake of good clean entertainment, but that is seen as too camp these days. I'm not saying every character has to be like Adam West Batman but I also don't like seeing all the main 'good' characters acting like thugs and ruffians that people are meant to root for because they are the main character. I see what you mean, there should be a balance and options. Its great having Anti heroes as main characters they are very interesting and engaging to watch and Sometimes you admire them because sometimes you wish you could do what they do. For example in House case say what comes to your mind and get away with it because you are greta on your job, or you admire him just for being indispensable how many wished we were that way professionally. But classic heroes have their charm and gives us good values and give us hope in humanity. You see guys like Lincoln and Oscar schindler and see how they made their mark in this world and you think its cool being good and be a hero. |
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Post by Jesse Custer on Mar 5, 2017 22:44:05 GMT
Anti-Heroes are more interesting than normal heroes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:08:10 GMT
I don't mind some anti-heroes, House was a good example of an ordinary type of man who was just totally over everything, especially the system and just went ahead and did what he had to do to solve problems. I also liked Heisenberg in Breaking Bad. I think they are a little more complex than characters that just do bad things because they are greedy or are dishonest.
I do find it interesting when the "Hero" or main character has flaws rather than being some kind of perfect Saint. I think eventually it will come back to that though. Everything has it's time before people get sick of it and start wanting something else. Or someone comes up with an interesting traditional hero type.
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Mar 5, 2017 23:37:02 GMT
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Post by sariz on Mar 6, 2017 0:51:43 GMT
I don't mind some anti-heroes, House was a good example of an ordinary type of man who was just totally over everything, especially the system and just went ahead and did what he had to do to solve problems. I also liked Heisenberg in Breaking Bad. I think they are a little more complex than characters that just do bad things because they are greedy or are dishonest. I do find it interesting when the "Hero" or main character has flaws rather than being some kind of perfect Saint. I think eventually it will come back to that though. Everything has it's time before people get sick of it and start wanting something else. Or someone comes up with an interesting traditional hero type. Are you talking about finding an hibrid between the Anti hero and the Saintly hero ? a good guy with good intentions but with a few flaws here and there someone like Tony Stark maybe that's why many love Him he is a good guy in the old fashion waybut had his Diva attitude and wasn't so fine working with a team. So yes stark is that hibrid between the classic hero and the super trendy Anti Hero |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 1:24:38 GMT
I don't mind some anti-heroes, House was a good example of an ordinary type of man who was just totally over everything, especially the system and just went ahead and did what he had to do to solve problems. I also liked Heisenberg in Breaking Bad. I think they are a little more complex than characters that just do bad things because they are greedy or are dishonest. I do find it interesting when the "Hero" or main character has flaws rather than being some kind of perfect Saint. I think eventually it will come back to that though. Everything has it's time before people get sick of it and start wanting something else. Or someone comes up with an interesting traditional hero type. Are you talking about finding an hibrid between the Anti hero and the Saintly hero ? a good guy with good intentions but with a few flaws here and there someone like Tony Stark maybe that's why many love Him he is a good guy in the old fashion waybut had his Diva attitude and wasn't so fine working with a team. So yes stark is that hibrid between the classic hero and the super trendy Anti Hero Yeah Tony Stark, even House, Clint Eastwood played a few in Western's as well, usually the Anti Hero is not a "bad guy" as such. I would class Wolverine as another Anti Hero, does the right thing, has principles just couldn't give a shit and does not even want to play with others let alone be around them at all. |
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Post by sariz on Mar 6, 2017 2:44:46 GMT
Are you talking about finding an hibrid between the Anti hero and the Saintly hero ? a good guy with good intentions but with a few flaws here and there someone like Tony Stark maybe that's why many love Him he is a good guy in the old fashion waybut had his Diva attitude and wasn't so fine working with a team. So yes stark is that hibrid between the classic hero and the super trendy Anti Hero Yeah Tony Stark, even House, Clint Eastwood played a few in Western's as well, usually the Anti Hero is not a "bad guy" as such. I would class Wolverine as another Anti Hero, does the right thing, has principles just couldn't give a shit and does not even want to play with others let alone be around them at all. I know an Anti Hero usually isn't a bad guy otherwise he would be called a villain right? though in some cases the line between good and bad is more blurried some anti hero go almost Villain like Walter White well he did crossed the between an Anti Hero and just plain Villain. i didn't know Wolverine was an Anti hero, I thought he was more of a classic hero but probably it was that just from X Men till the last stand and in the latter series he became more and more of an Anti Hero. He is the favorite of the X men's right ? Just like Stark seems to be the priority to Marvel and Batman for DC. Its funny how clear it is who is the favorite for each company. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 3:02:35 GMT
Yeah Tony Stark, even House, Clint Eastwood played a few in Western's as well, usually the Anti Hero is not a "bad guy" as such. I would class Wolverine as another Anti Hero, does the right thing, has principles just couldn't give a shit and does not even want to play with others let alone be around them at all. I know an Anti Hero usually isn't a bad guy otherwise he would be called a villain right? though in some cases the line between good and bad is more blurried some anti hero go almost Villain like Walter White well he did crossed the between an Anti Hero and just plain Villain. i didn't know Wolverine was an Anti hero, I thought he was more of a classic hero but probably it was that just from X Men till the last stand and in the latter series he became more and more of an Anti Hero. He is the favorite of the X men's right ? Just like Stark seems to be the priority to Marvel and Batman for DC. Its funny how clear it is who is the favorite for each company. Oh I meant "Bad guy" not as in villain but as in an arsehole. But yes I agree, Walter White crossed the line often and really was a villain more than the hero or victim. If you look at a character like Superman he is a classic hero type, quite plain and dull, perfect. So Wolverine who smokes, has multiple relationships, is aggressive is an anti hero in that sense as he is not idealistic. They are a lot more interesting than traditional heroes for sure. |
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Post by sariz on Mar 6, 2017 3:15:03 GMT
I know an Anti Hero usually isn't a bad guy otherwise he would be called a villain right? though in some cases the line between good and bad is more blurried some anti hero go almost Villain like Walter White well he did crossed the between an Anti Hero and just plain Villain. i didn't know Wolverine was an Anti hero, I thought he was more of a classic hero but probably it was that just from X Men till the last stand and in the latter series he became more and more of an Anti Hero. He is the favorite of the X men's right ? Just like Stark seems to be the priority to Marvel and Batman for DC. Its funny how clear it is who is the favorite for each company. Oh I meant "Bad guy" not as in villain but as in an arsehole. But yes I agree, Walter White crossed the line often and really was a villain more than the hero or victim. If you look at a character like Superman he is a classic hero type, quite plain and dull, perfect. So Wolverine who smokes, has multiple relationships, is aggressive is an anti hero in that sense as he is not idealistic. They are a lot more interesting than traditional heroes for sure. True on Superman that's why Man of Steel failed so bad at the box office and yes usually Anti heroes tend to be much more interesting. i think the only character which is equally successful either as an Anti Hero or Classic Hero is James Bond. people adore this more gritty Bond with Craig but Pierce Brosnan was very successful as well in the more classic portrayal. i think the Anti Heroes Reign will stay for a long time but once we get a little tired of them we won't exactly go back to the classic hero we will get something in between. anti heroes will never be completely outdated they have been popular since The Godfather its just that lately is the dominant character as a leading man even in romance. girls in the 90s would have freaked out with someone like Christian grey. Girls were swooning over the perfect Jack Dawson or Doug Ross( George Classic in ER) and now girls can't get enough of Damon Salvatore and wvne House. |
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Post by poelzig on Mar 6, 2017 4:38:30 GMT
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