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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 3:59:22 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone. Civil War does have a message. In Civil War, the government passes the Sokovia Accords which require the Avengers to held accountable for their reckless and destructive actions, but Cap says "I don't trust the government so I don't have to abide by their laws." So the message of Civil War is if the government passes a law requiring stricter regulation and registration of assault guns/rifles and you don't want to register your assault guns/rifles, you can just say "I don't trust the government so I don't have to abide by their laws" just like Cap did. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 4:02:23 GMT
Guess what, Luke? I'm still going to go see Black Panther. Try to stop me. And I guarentee Black Panther will be 1000x better then all the Fox Marvel movies. I doubt it. Black Panther will probably be just another boring MCU comedy. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 4, 2017 4:03:32 GMT
And I guarentee Black Panther will be 1000x better then all the Fox Marvel movies. I doubt it. Black Panther will probably be just another boring MCU comedy. Doubt it, nothing in the trailer was funny, and Ryan Coogler is a prestige director unlike those other diectors at Fox. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2017 4:08:18 GMT
That's true, I'm pretty confident in Black Pantherand it definitely doesn't look like it's gonna be another humour heavy movie like this year's offerings. That Ryan Coolger is a great director, Creed was a fantastic movie.
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2017 4:11:37 GMT
blockbusted @retuenofmoviefreak There's no need for comments like this. All he did was post an article. It makes some good points.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 4:27:04 GMT
blockbusted @retuenofmoviefreak There's no need for comments like this. All he did was post an article. Some MCU fans always overreact to any negative comments about MCU. Like the MCU fans who went ballistic over the thread about Darth Vader and Hans Gruber being more memorable villains than all of MCU's villains. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 4:29:27 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. No, they just don't have characters stand around giving monologues and expect audiences to pick up on things on their own. Exploiting the Holocaust? That's cowardly. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 4:31:09 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone. Civil War does have a message. Yeah, don't let yourself be made a slave. Batman and Superman believe in the same thing, even if it means giving the government the finger which they both do. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 4:34:38 GMT
Civil War does have a message. Yeah, don't let yourself be made a slave. Secretary Ross told them if they didn't sign the Accords, then they can just retire and walk away from the Avengers. I've never heard of any form of slavery where someone who didn't want to be a slave could just retire and walk away.
The American Civil War was fought over slavery, but Captain America: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. It was about tyranny, more specifically Captain America behaving like a tyrant.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 4:35:11 GMT
I didn't see any themes in Deadpool, I'll give you Logan and maybe DOFP but Apocalypse was a big NO. Apocalypse merely glossed over the same themes over again. Apocalypse would've been considered good if it was released in 2008 but not today. Deadpool went over the themes of cancer and the internal conflict of how to reconcile being disfigured and reuniting with your love interest. More than what we got in Ragnarok. Ragnarok dealt with issues of dealing with how your culture is really built on imperialism and conquest even if it seems all idyllic and peaceful now. And whether or not that kind of culture deserves to stay in existence. Which is more than DP's lip service to cancer and disfigurement (given how Wade isn't that disfigured). |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 4:36:09 GMT
Yeah, don't let yourself be made a slave. Secretary Ross told them if they didn't sign the Accords, then they can just retire and walk away from the Avengers. "Retire", the Blade Runner method. Or permanent house arrest. Freedom stripped away. It did, it just went over your head because they don't stand around giving monologues. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 5:46:36 GMT
Im sorry but when luke shows up I will remind everyone...
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2017 7:47:54 GMT
Im sorry but when luke shows up I will remind everyone... No you are not going to derail threads by constantly belittling another user every time he posts. Have your principals without disrupting the board otherwise you're adding to the problem. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 9:11:13 GMT
Im sorry but when luke shows up I will remind everyone... No you are not going to derail threads by constantly belittling another user every time he posts. Have your principals without disrupting the board otherwise you're adding to the problem. I don't know what it was that made you vouch for him, but it's a good thing that he isn't a mod anymore. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 4, 2017 12:19:50 GMT
Deadpool went over the themes of cancer and the internal conflict of how to reconcile being disfigured and reuniting with your love interest. More than what we got in Ragnarok. Ragnarok dealt with issues of dealing with how your culture is really built on imperialism and conquest even if it seems all idyllic and peaceful now. And whether or not that kind of culture deserves to stay in existence. Which is more than DP's lip service to cancer and disfigurement (given how Wade isn't that disfigured). I cant even remember that, which is why its glossed over so quickly. And you complain about characters monolouging which is exactly what Hela does when she fights Thor at the end. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 4, 2017 13:07:38 GMT
blockbusted @retuenofmoviefreak There's no need for comments like this. All he did was post an article. Some MCU fans always overreact to any negative comments about MCU. Like the MCU fans who went ballistic over the thread about Darth Vader and Hans Gruber being more memorable villains than all of MCU's villains. In all fairness, Darth Vader and Hans Gruber are more memorable than any DCEU villains too. What is your point here? They are two of the most memorable villains of all time. I am sick of the MCU has terrible villains talk. The DCEU has them beat in the terrible department. Steppenwolf and Enchantress were two of the worst villains ever put on screen. Ares, Lex, and Doomsday were beyond terrible too. Zod is the only DCEU villain even worth mentioning. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 4, 2017 13:08:45 GMT
There are some solid points but Marvel films have strong messages too. Quicksilver in Ultron was terrible..no personality. The nightcrawler-whitehouse scene was fantastic but marvel has equally good if not better scenes. Hulkbuster iron man v hulk. Ultron opening. Also most recently re Thor Ragnarok ie valkyrie flashback and thor at the end, the muthafu**ing lightning GOD! Just to name a few. Yeah I have to agree, both Magneto and Shaw were amazing villains. Same with William Stryker in X-men 2 Fox Quicksilver has even less personality. They don't even know what to do with him. They shoehorned in that fantastic scene in DOFP and then made him disappear for the rest of the film. Then they rehashed it in Apocalypse and it was corny as all hell. I can't remember a single line of dialog from that character, he's incredibly generic. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 13:15:05 GMT
I cant even remember that, which is why its glossed over so quickly. And you complain about characters monolouging which is exactly what Hela does when she fights Thor at the end. It was stated more than once in the film, so if you don't remember it then you're deliberately trying not to remember it. And I can forgive one monologue, especially by someone who is trying to explain the forgotten history of Asgard to someone who is curious over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 13:25:47 GMT
blockbusted @retuenofmoviefreak There's no need for comments like this. All he did was post an article. It makes some good points. Sorry, it's just that Luke has said those things in the past. Why we bring that up is because he always comes here whenever a new MCU movie or trailer gets released only to belittle the fans. While claiming he's more intelligent than us and that he's allegedly an aspiring director. |
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 17:40:50 GMT
blockbusted @retuenofmoviefreak There's no need for comments like this. All he did was post an article. It makes some good points. Sorry, it's just that Luke has said those things in the past. Why we bring that up is because he always comes here whenever a new MCU movie or trailer gets released only to belittle the fans. While claiming he's more intelligent than us and that he's allegedly an aspiring director. Exactly. He comes off as a pretentious pseudo-intellectual. |
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