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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 3, 2017 22:36:00 GMT
It perfectly sums up why I prefer X-Men to the plastic, one-dimensional, dull, boring MCU. www.cbr.com/reasons-why-x-men-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/"Faithful Adaptation In the “Age of Ultron” (2013) by Brian Michael Bendis, Bryan Hitch and Brandon Peterson, an Ultron from the future invades the present day, successfully defeating the Earth’s heroes and conquering the planet. The movie “Avengers: Age of Ultron” (2014), has nothing in common with the comic other than that it features the Avengers fighting Ultron as he tries to crash a giant rock into the Earth. “Thor: Ragnarok” (2017) shares its title with a comic book storyline that occurred in “Thor” #80-85 (2004) by Michael Avon Oeming and Andrea Divito, but the movie seems to be based off of “Planet Hulk” (2006) by Greg Pak. Even “Winter Soldier” (2014) and “Civil War” (2016) are only very loosely based on their comic book counterparts. “X-Men: Days of Future Past” (2014) changes around which characters are involved, but it still remains a fairly faithful adaptation of the story told in “Uncanny X-Men” (1981) 140-141 by Chris Claremont and John Byrne. A mutant from the future travels to their past body in order to prevent Mystique from assassinating someone and setting off events that lead to a dystopian future." "X-Men Actually Has A Message Mutants are typically born looking and behaving just like normal humans, and it isn’t until puberty that their powers develop. The series often deals with teenagers coming to terms with the fact that not only are they different, but also they now have to deal with discrimination on a daily basis. Regular humans are afraid of mutants, which leads to fear and hatred. Most mutants are good people, and they can’t help that they were born different, so society should just learn to accept them for who they are. The message in the “X-Men” films is pretty blatant, and “X2: X-Men United” (2003) even had a scene where Iceman came out to his parents, obviously mirroring a scene many gay kids have lived through. Meanwhile, the main message of the Marvel movies seems to be “people, gods and aliens who are evil are bad.” “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” (2014) could also be said to be about the government spying on its own citizens, but that wasn’t even the main focus of the movie." "Villains' Motivations The opening scene in “X-Men” (2000) shows a young Erik Lensherr being led into a Nazi concentration camp when his magnetic powers begin to develop. This is further explored in “X-Men: First Class” when it’s revealed that Sebastian Shaw was posing as a Nazi scientist in the camp, and tortured Erik until he learned to use his powers correctly. This experience caused Erik to lose faith in humanity, fueling his turn to villainy. As Magneto, his pain causes him to see himself as the savior of the downtrodden mutants, which justifies having to do bad things, up to and including murder. Meanwhile in the MCU, Iron Monger from “Iron Man” (2008) is evil because he’s greedy. So is Justin Hammer from “Iron Man 2” (2010) and Darren Cross/Yellowjacket from “Ant-Man” (2015). Red Skull is just a power-mad Nazi in “Captain America: The First Avenger” (2011), and Ronan from “Guardians of the Galaxy” (2014) is a Kree radical that hates the Nova Corps because they’re not Kree. Even Loki, from “Thor” (2011), is mostly motivated by jealousy of Thor. These villains are all great characters, but their motivations just aren’t as interesting or as complex as Magneto’s." "Quicksilver As a prominent character from both the “X-Men” and “Avengers” comics, Quicksilver was able to appear in both movie series, as long as neither series referenced his existence in the other. He appeared in “X-Men: Days of Future Past” (2014), helping Xavier, Beast and Wolverine break Magneto out of prison. His speed powers are showcased in an amazing sequence where time slows to a crawl. As the guards shoot at Xavier, Quicksilver speeds around the room and moves the bullets off course, and sends guards flying simply by touching them while moving at super speed. The Marvel version made his debut during the end credits of “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” (2014) played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, before playing a major role in “Avengers: Age of Ultron” (2015). As one of Baron Strucker’s “miracles,” he first used his speed powers to fight the Avengers before switching sides and teaming up with them against Ultron. While he plays a bigger role in this movie than in “X-Men,” his speed sequences just aren’t as memorable. Also, Fox’s Quicksilver’s entire personality is built around his speed, making for many funny moments, while the Marvel version is mostly just a moody jerk. "White House Attack “X2: X-Men United” (2003) opens up with one of the most impressive comic book scenes ever filmed. A mind controlled Nightcrawler infiltrates the White House, taking on wave after wave of secret service agents, before attempting to kill the president. He has the power to teleport, has acrobatic like skills and also has a big, blue tale. The most impressive part of the scene is how his teleporting is handled. The combination of special effects, choreography and camera movement makes this one of the best live action representations of a character’s power ever. Marvel has had many impressive scenes, but they’ve never reached the same level of awe inspiring as the White House attack. Even the scenes in “Doctor Strange” where characters jump through dimensions are lacking in comparison. While Nightcrawler looked as realistic as possible, Doctor Strange always looked like he was stepping into a CGI cartoon whenever magic got involved."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 23:28:35 GMT
There are some solid points but Marvel films have strong messages too. Quicksilver in Ultron was terrible..no personality. The nightcrawler-whitehouse scene was fantastic but marvel has equally good if not better scenes. Hulkbuster iron man v hulk. Ultron opening. Also most recently re Thor Ragnarok ie valkyrie flashback and thor at the end, the muthafu**ing lightning GOD! Just to name a few.
Yeah I have to agree, both Magneto and Shaw were amazing villains. Same with William Stryker in X-men 2
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2017 23:39:45 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2017 23:57:50 GMT
There are some solid points but Marvel films have strong messages too. Quicksilver in Ultron was terrible..no personality. I'm no fan of Aaron Taylor-Johnson but when you have only 8 lines, he was screwed either way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:20:38 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone. Honestly the themes in X Men have been done so much they're no better than the MCU. X Men Apocalypse had tons of CGI and comedy as well. X Men films have delved into these themes but it's the same themes all over again. In fact even the DCEU does a better job at having variety for it's themes despite being marred with poor writing at times.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 0:22:06 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone. Honestly the themes in X Men have been done so much they're no better than the MCU. X Men Apocalypse had tons of CGI and comedy as well. X Men films have delved into these themes but it's the same themes all over again. In fact even the DCEU does a better job at having variety for it's themes despite being marred with poor writing at times. And we should also consider this:
imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/73425/ot-twilight-films-pixar
That thread is mine. You might want to check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:23:55 GMT
The X Men board labeled "X Men". Go post this there where somebody will care why do you feel the need to act so petty and constantly be hostile towards MCU fans on this board? I'm a fan of both but posts like this are the reason all this unnecessary conflict exists between fans.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 4, 2017 0:25:36 GMT
The deeper themes and messages in Disneys MCU are not explored with any conviction. They are glossed over for useless comedy and CGI bonanzas. Xmen films have the courage to delve into these mature issues even though they know it will bore kids and wont make the money Disney-MCU films make with their lighthearted tone. Honestly the themes in X Men have been done so much they're no better than the MCU. X Men Apocalypse had tons of CGI and comedy as well. X Men films have delved into these themes but it's the same themes all over again. In fact even the DCEU does a better job at having variety for it's themes despite being marred with poor writing at times. Wrong. The themes in Xmen arent just humans hate mutants. Logan, Deadpool, DOFP and even Apocalypse explore more diverse themes and in detail unlike the MCU which may have 1 line or 2 and is forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:27:07 GMT
Honestly the themes in X Men have been done so much they're no better than the MCU. X Men Apocalypse had tons of CGI and comedy as well. X Men films have delved into these themes but it's the same themes all over again. In fact even the DCEU does a better job at having variety for it's themes despite being marred with poor writing at times. And we should also consider this:
imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/73425/ot-twilight-films-pixar
That thread is mine. You might want to check it out.
There is this FOX Men fanboy summers8 who was probably Question7 on the old IMDB who actually said that the Twilight is better than the MCU because it's dark and dealt with the themes of a girl being pregnant.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 0:30:31 GMT
There is this FOX Men fanboy summers8 who was probably Question7 on the old IMDB who actually said that the Twilight is better than the MCU because it's dark and dealt with the themes of a girl being pregnant. That would also make the entire 'Twilight' series better than 'Harry Potter' series since the latter doesn't have teenage pregnancy.
If someone says that 'The Hunger Games' explores deeper themes than 'Harry Potter' does, I can actually buy that argument, but if it's 'Twilight'... yeah, that person doesn't deserve a credibility.
Speaking of 'Twilight', lukelovesfilm34 has a history of giving a major f**k you to Joss Whedon and J.K. Rowling by lumping Buffy and Hermione Granger with Bella Swan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:30:34 GMT
Honestly the themes in X Men have been done so much they're no better than the MCU. X Men Apocalypse had tons of CGI and comedy as well. X Men films have delved into these themes but it's the same themes all over again. In fact even the DCEU does a better job at having variety for it's themes despite being marred with poor writing at times. Wrong. The themes in Xmen arent just humans hate mutants. Logan, Deadpool, DOFP and even Apocalypse explore more diverse themes and in detail unlike the MCU which may have 1 line or 2 and is forgotten. I didn't see any themes in Deadpool, I'll give you Logan and maybe DOFP but Apocalypse was a big NO. Apocalypse merely glossed over the same themes over again. Apocalypse would've been considered good if it was released in 2008 but not today.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 0:34:33 GMT
Wrong. The themes in Xmen arent just humans hate mutants. Logan, Deadpool, DOFP and even Apocalypse explore more diverse themes and in detail unlike the MCU which may have 1 line or 2 and is forgotten. I didn't see any themes in Deadpool, I'll give you Logan and maybe DOFP but Apocalypse was a big NO. Apocalypse merely glossed over the same themes over again. Apocalypse would've been considered good if it was released in 2008 but not today. I'll say that 'X-Men: Apocalypse' had a promising start, but then it skipped right from the 1st act to 3rd act.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:34:49 GMT
There is this FOX Men fanboy summers8 who was probably Question7 on the old IMDB who actually said that the Twilight is better than the MCU because it's dark and dealt with the themes of a girl being pregnant. That would also make the entire 'Twilight' series better than 'Harry Potter' series since the latter doesn't have teenage pregnancy.
If someone says that 'The Hunger Games' explores deeper themes than 'Harry Potter' does, I can actually buy that argument, but if it's 'Twilight'... yeah, that person doesn't deserve a credibility.
Speaking of 'Twilight', lukelovesfilm34 has a history of giving a major f**k you to Joss Whedon and J.K. Rowling by lumping Buffy and Hermione Granger with Bella Swan.
Yup, some of these fanboys will say anything to make the MCU look bad. Honestly, I didn't get the hype behind "Hunger Games" it was better than "Twilight" but it doesn't come any where near "Harry Potter". Maybe I'm just sick of the whole "teens rebel against the evil government" storyline.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 0:40:03 GMT
That would also make the entire 'Twilight' series better than 'Harry Potter' series since the latter doesn't have teenage pregnancy.
If someone says that 'The Hunger Games' explores deeper themes than 'Harry Potter' does, I can actually buy that argument, but if it's 'Twilight'... yeah, that person doesn't deserve a credibility.
Speaking of 'Twilight', lukelovesfilm34 has a history of giving a major f**k you to Joss Whedon and J.K. Rowling by lumping Buffy and Hermione Granger with Bella Swan.
Yup, some of these fanboys will say anything to make the MCU look bad. Honestly, I didn't get the hype behind "Hunger Games" it was better than "Twilight" but it doesn't come any where near "Harry Potter". Maybe I'm just sick of the whole "teens rebel against the evil government" storyline. To be fair, I can see why some would like 'The Hunger Games' better than 'Harry Potter' when it comes to themes since the former explores the theme of the rebelling side not necessarily having a good intention (even if that exploration isn't always successful). 'Twilight', on the other hand, has no theme unless you count the glorification of abusive relationship AND adult man having sex with a little girl.
Oh, and this lukelovesfilm34 believes that Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shootings were made up by government.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:48:59 GMT
Yup, some of these fanboys will say anything to make the MCU look bad. Honestly, I didn't get the hype behind "Hunger Games" it was better than "Twilight" but it doesn't come any where near "Harry Potter". Maybe I'm just sick of the whole "teens rebel against the evil government" storyline. To be fair, I can see why some would like 'The Hunger Games' better than 'Harry Potter' when it comes to themes since the former explores the theme of the rebelling side not necessarily having a good intention (even if that exploration isn't always successful). 'Twilight', on the other hand, has no theme unless you count the glorification of abusive relationship AND adult man having sex with a little girl.
Oh, and this lukelovesfilm34 believes that Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shootings were made up by government.
Well Luke also believes that women enjoyed being raped.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2017 0:52:17 GMT
To be fair, I can see why some would like 'The Hunger Games' better than 'Harry Potter' when it comes to themes since the former explores the theme of the rebelling side not necessarily having a good intention (even if that exploration isn't always successful). 'Twilight', on the other hand, has no theme unless you count the glorification of abusive relationship AND adult man having sex with a little girl.
Oh, and this lukelovesfilm34 believes that Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shootings were made up by government.
Well Luke also believes that women enjoyed being raped. I said this to weirdraptor and justanaveragejoe, but he seems to be a combination of Alex Jones, Stephenie Meyer, and Ted Bundy.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 4, 2017 0:54:25 GMT
Wrong. The themes in Xmen arent just humans hate mutants. Logan, Deadpool, DOFP and even Apocalypse explore more diverse themes and in detail unlike the MCU which may have 1 line or 2 and is forgotten. I didn't see any themes in Deadpool, I'll give you Logan and maybe DOFP but Apocalypse was a big NO. Apocalypse merely glossed over the same themes over again. Apocalypse would've been considered good if it was released in 2008 but not today. Deadpool went over the themes of cancer and the internal conflict of how to reconcile being disfigured and reuniting with your love interest. More than what we got in Ragnarok. Apocalypse yes was glossed over but had family themes with Magneto, Xmen, Mistique and Quicksilver.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 0:55:02 GMT
Guess what, Luke? I'm still going to go see Black Panther. Try to stop me.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 4, 2017 2:37:12 GMT
Guess what, Luke? I'm still going to go see Black Panther. Try to stop me. And I guarentee Black Panther will be 1000x better then all the Fox Marvel movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 3:57:28 GMT
It perfectly sums up why I prefer X-Men to the plastic, one-dimensional, dull, boring MCU. www.cbr.com/reasons-why-x-men-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/"Faithful Adaptation In the “Age of Ultron” (2013) by Brian Michael Bendis, Bryan Hitch and Brandon Peterson, an Ultron from the future invades the present day, successfully defeating the Earth’s heroes and conquering the planet. The movie “Avengers: Age of Ultron” (2014), has nothing in common with the comic other than that it features the Avengers fighting Ultron as he tries to crash a giant rock into the Earth. “Thor: Ragnarok” (2017) shares its title with a comic book storyline that occurred in “Thor” #80-85 (2004) by Michael Avon Oeming and Andrea Divito, but the movie seems to be based off of “Planet Hulk” (2006) by Greg Pak. Even “Winter Soldier” (2014) and “Civil War” (2016) are only very loosely based on their comic book counterparts. “X-Men: Days of Future Past” (2014) changes around which characters are involved, but it still remains a fairly faithful adaptation of the story told in “Uncanny X-Men” (1981) 140-141 by Chris Claremont and John Byrne. A mutant from the future travels to their past body in order to prevent Mystique from assassinating someone and setting off events that lead to a dystopian future." "X-Men Actually Has A Message Mutants are typically born looking and behaving just like normal humans, and it isn’t until puberty that their powers develop. The series often deals with teenagers coming to terms with the fact that not only are they different, but also they now have to deal with discrimination on a daily basis. Regular humans are afraid of mutants, which leads to fear and hatred. Most mutants are good people, and they can’t help that they were born different, so society should just learn to accept them for who they are. The message in the “X-Men” films is pretty blatant, and “X2: X-Men United” (2003) even had a scene where Iceman came out to his parents, obviously mirroring a scene many gay kids have lived through. Meanwhile, the main message of the Marvel movies seems to be “people, gods and aliens who are evil are bad.” “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” (2014) could also be said to be about the government spying on its own citizens, but that wasn’t even the main focus of the movie." "Villains' Motivations The opening scene in “X-Men” (2000) shows a young Erik Lensherr being led into a Nazi concentration camp when his magnetic powers begin to develop. This is further explored in “X-Men: First Class” when it’s revealed that Sebastian Shaw was posing as a Nazi scientist in the camp, and tortured Erik until he learned to use his powers correctly. This experience caused Erik to lose faith in humanity, fueling his turn to villainy. As Magneto, his pain causes him to see himself as the savior of the downtrodden mutants, which justifies having to do bad things, up to and including murder. Meanwhile in the MCU, Iron Monger from “Iron Man” (2008) is evil because he’s greedy. So is Justin Hammer from “Iron Man 2” (2010) and Darren Cross/Yellowjacket from “Ant-Man” (2015). Red Skull is just a power-mad Nazi in “Captain America: The First Avenger” (2011), and Ronan from “Guardians of the Galaxy” (2014) is a Kree radical that hates the Nova Corps because they’re not Kree. Even Loki, from “Thor” (2011), is mostly motivated by jealousy of Thor. These villains are all great characters, but their motivations just aren’t as interesting or as complex as Magneto’s." "Quicksilver As a prominent character from both the “X-Men” and “Avengers” comics, Quicksilver was able to appear in both movie series, as long as neither series referenced his existence in the other. He appeared in “X-Men: Days of Future Past” (2014), helping Xavier, Beast and Wolverine break Magneto out of prison. His speed powers are showcased in an amazing sequence where time slows to a crawl. As the guards shoot at Xavier, Quicksilver speeds around the room and moves the bullets off course, and sends guards flying simply by touching them while moving at super speed. The Marvel version made his debut during the end credits of “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” (2014) played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, before playing a major role in “Avengers: Age of Ultron” (2015). As one of Baron Strucker’s “miracles,” he first used his speed powers to fight the Avengers before switching sides and teaming up with them against Ultron. While he plays a bigger role in this movie than in “X-Men,” his speed sequences just aren’t as memorable. Also, Fox’s Quicksilver’s entire personality is built around his speed, making for many funny moments, while the Marvel version is mostly just a moody jerk. "White House Attack “X2: X-Men United” (2003) opens up with one of the most impressive comic book scenes ever filmed. A mind controlled Nightcrawler infiltrates the White House, taking on wave after wave of secret service agents, before attempting to kill the president. He has the power to teleport, has acrobatic like skills and also has a big, blue tale. The most impressive part of the scene is how his teleporting is handled. The combination of special effects, choreography and camera movement makes this one of the best live action representations of a character’s power ever. Marvel has had many impressive scenes, but they’ve never reached the same level of awe inspiring as the White House attack. Even the scenes in “Doctor Strange” where characters jump through dimensions are lacking in comparison. While Nightcrawler looked as realistic as possible, Doctor Strange always looked like he was stepping into a CGI cartoon whenever magic got involved." Excellent article!
I would just add that Civil War does have a message. In Civil War, the government passes the Sokovia Accords which require the Avengers to held accountable for their reckless and destructive actions, but Cap says "I don't trust the government so I don't have to abide by their laws." So the message of Civil War is if the government passes a law requiring stricter regulation and registration of assault guns/rifles and you don't want to register your assault guns/rifles, you can just say "I don't trust the government so I don't have to abide by their laws" just like Cap did.
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