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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 9, 2017 21:48:09 GMT
Your logic on this post is reta... uh, incorrect. That "political" reason may exist, but it doesn't detract from the fact that Wonder Woman is just a good movie.
And I'm sorry, but as much as I enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok there is NO list in any sane world where it beats The Dark Knight. I would argue that the only MCU movies that even come close are Iron Man and Avengers.
(.....aaaaaaaand let the fighting re-ignite... Oh god, what have I done?)
I'm just telling DC-Fan that if we really do buy into that list, he has to own up and admit that Ragnarok is better than TDK. I understand what you're saying, I just think that train of thought is retar... er, incorrect. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
I'm just telling DC-Fan that if we really do buy into that list, he has to own up and admit that Ragnarok is better than TDK. I understand what you're saying, I just think that train of thought is retar... er, incorrect. Then so is him constantly bringing up that list. That's the point. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 9, 2017 23:07:36 GMT
Entry #9. The film that many considered to be one of the best of the MCU! But what do You think? For me, the movie in which the MCU truly matured.
IMO:
Iron Man (2008) An amazing movie, starting the first true shared universe of movies mimicking comics. A watershed moment.
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Iron Man 2 (2010)
Thor (2011)
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
The Avengers (2012) The culmination of the shared universe of movies. Another watershed moment. Perhaps the greatest watershed moment for CBMs ever (outside of maybe Superman the Movie).
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) MCU matures to make truly significant movies. Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) MCU takes a chance on something different and it pays off.
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
Ant-Man (2015)
Captain America: Civil War (2016)
Doctor Strange (2016)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
None of the MCU's movies even mattered, not even The Avengers. DC already had the 1st shared cinematic universe for CBMs in 1984, a quarter century before MCU started. And WB was already playing around with the idea of a shared cinematic universe in 2007 with George Miller's Justice League Mortal movie before the writer's strike ended that. So another shared cinematic universe for CBMs was going to happen even without The Avengers, and would've happened just before MCU if the writer's strike hadn't happened. There are really only 2 CBMs that really matter: 1. Superman: The Movie. Prior to 1978, superhero movies were mainly low-budget serial movies. Superman: The Movie was the 1st big-budget superhero movie (I think it may have been the most expensive movie ever produced at that point in time) and started this current era of big-budget superhero movies. No one had even thought about making a big-budget superhero movie before then so without Superman: The Movie, there are no other big-budget superhero movies and no MCU. 2. Wonder WomanPrior to 2017, there had never been a successful female-led superhero movie. No one thought a female-led superhero movie could be successful so no studio, including MCU, was even willing to produce a female-led superhero movie for more than a decade. WB took a huge risk to produce the 1st female-led superhero movie in more than a decade with a lead actress who not only had few roles and no lead roles but also was criticized by 90% of the public when her casting was announced as well as a Director whose only previous movie was a low-budget indie movie more than a decade ago. Without Wonder Woman, there wouldn't be any other female-led superhero movies. But Wonder Woman turned out to be a huge hit (#1 movie of the summer and #2 movie so far this year, behind only Beauty and the Beast). Now we're definitely getting a Wonder Woman II and maybe getting a Batgirl movie and a Gotham City Sirens movie and MCU also added Captain Marvel to their slate of movies as a reaction to WB taking a risk and producing Wonder Woman. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 9, 2017 23:12:46 GMT
For me, the movie in which the MCU truly matured.
IMO:
Iron Man (2008) An amazing movie, starting the first true shared universe of movies mimicking comics. A watershed moment.
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Iron Man 2 (2010)
Thor (2011)
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
The Avengers (2012) The culmination of the shared universe of movies. Another watershed moment. Perhaps the greatest watershed moment for CBMs ever (outside of maybe Superman the Movie).
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) MCU matures to make truly significant movies. Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) MCU takes a chance on something different and it pays off.
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
Ant-Man (2015)
Captain America: Civil War (2016)
Doctor Strange (2016)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
None of the MCU's movies even mattered, not even The Avengers. DC already had the 1st shared cinematic universe for CBMs in 1984, a quarter century before MCU started. And WB was already playing around with the idea of a shared cinematic universe in 2007 with George Miller's Justice League Mortal movie before the writer's strike ended that. So another shared cinematic universe for CBMs was going to happen even without The Avengers, and would've happened just before MCU if the writer's strike hadn't happened. There are really only 2 CBMs that really matter: 1. Superman: The Movie. Prior to 1978, superhero movies were mainly low-budget serial movies. Superman: The Movie was the 1st big-budget superhero movie (I think it may have been the most expensive movie ever produced at that point in time) and started this current era of big-budget superhero movies. No one had even thought about making a big-budget superhero movie before then so without Superman: The Movie, there are no other big-budget superhero movies and no MCU. 2. Wonder WomanPrior to 2017, there had never been a successful female-led superhero movie. No one thought a female-led superhero movie could be successful so no studio, including MCU, was even willing to produce a female-led superhero movie for more than a decade. WB took a huge risk to produce the 1st female-led superhero movie in more than a decade with a lead actress who not only had few roles and no lead roles but also was criticized by 90% of the public when her casting was announced as well as a Director whose only previous movie was a low-budget indie movie more than a decade ago. Without Wonder Woman, there wouldn't be any other female-led superhero movies. But Wonder Woman turned out to be a huge hit (#1 movie of the summer and #2 movie so far this year, behind only Beauty and the Beast). Now we're definitely getting a Wonder Woman II and maybe getting a Batgirl movie and a Gotham City Sirens movie and MCU also added Captain Marvel to their slate of movies as a reaction to WB taking a risk and producing Wonder Woman. Who cares?? None of that is going to stop the MCU from making movies and continue to be successful. They don't care if their films are perfect. All that matters is that Infinity War will be a game changer for comic book movies. They've been building up the Infinity Stones and Thanos for nearly 10yrs now, and it's going to be an epic pay off in Infinity War, something DC wouldn't know how to do with their characters. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
None of the MCU's movies even mattered, not even The Avengers. Nah, they've redefined CBMs for years now. And they botched it, leaving MCU to clean up their mess and rebuild the concept. Modern CBMs would exist with or without this film. Expendable, especially since the MCU would've gotten their female CBM done first if not for Ike Perlmutter. |
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Post by sostie on Dec 10, 2017 0:38:29 GMT
None of the MCU's movies even mattered, not even The Avengers. DC already had the 1st shared cinematic universe for CBMs in 1984, a quarter century before MCU started. The most tenuous of shared universes. And how many times do you have to be told. DC didn't have a shared universe. The Salkinds did using DC characters. DC WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PRODUCTION OF THE FILMS. In the meantme Marvel beat them to it with Daredevil/Elektra Source? ...in America. Most of the rest of the world didn't share the same enthusiasm. Every MCU film this year did better Box Office than WW. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 7:49:10 GMT
So according to Donald McHandegg The Dark Knight doesnt matter and therefor he thinks it sucks... How about that? DC stands for Dallas Cowboys after all. Cause the DC comics fans should be all over him now.
#teamcolden
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Post by damngumby on Dec 10, 2017 14:00:06 GMT
DC already had the 1st shared cinematic universe for CBMs in 1984, a quarter century before MCU started. If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound? The only thing Superman: The Movie did was help usher in the era of the dreadful low budget ripoff sequel. It was a blip on the radar that quickly beclowned itself with the likes of Richard Pryor ... then it faded into obscurity. Decades later, Ironman became the landmark film that ushered in the current golden age of superhero movies. None of the previous efforts were good enough to take hold. Wonder Woman is just another mediocre superhero movie, riding the coat-tail of the Marvel tsunami. The only really notable thing about it is it might end up being the lone survivor of the DCEU implosion we’re currently witnessing. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2017 14:43:24 GMT
Just stick to rating and discussing Winter Soldier without the same tired routine.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 10, 2017 14:53:28 GMT
For me, the movie in which the MCU truly matured.
IMO:
Iron Man (2008) An amazing movie, starting the first true shared universe of movies mimicking comics. A watershed moment.
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Iron Man 2 (2010)
Thor (2011)
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
The Avengers (2012) The culmination of the shared universe of movies. Another watershed moment. Perhaps the greatest watershed moment for CBMs ever (outside of maybe Superman the Movie).
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) MCU matures to make truly significant movies. Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) MCU takes a chance on something different and it pays off.
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
Ant-Man (2015)
Captain America: Civil War (2016)
Doctor Strange (2016)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
None of the MCU's movies even mattered, not even The Avengers. DC already had the 1st shared cinematic universe for CBMs in 1984, a quarter century before MCU started. And WB was already playing around with the idea of a shared cinematic universe in 2007 with George Miller's Justice League Mortal movie before the writer's strike ended that. So another shared cinematic universe for CBMs was going to happen even without The Avengers, and would've happened just before MCU if the writer's strike hadn't happened. There are really only 2 CBMs that really matter: 1. Superman: The Movie. Prior to 1978, superhero movies were mainly low-budget serial movies. Superman: The Movie was the 1st big-budget superhero movie (I think it may have been the most expensive movie ever produced at that point in time) and started this current era of big-budget superhero movies. No one had even thought about making a big-budget superhero movie before then so without Superman: The Movie, there are no other big-budget superhero movies and no MCU. 2. Wonder WomanPrior to 2017, there had never been a successful female-led superhero movie. No one thought a female-led superhero movie could be successful so no studio, including MCU, was even willing to produce a female-led superhero movie for more than a decade. WB took a huge risk to produce the 1st female-led superhero movie in more than a decade with a lead actress who not only had few roles and no lead roles but also was criticized by 90% of the public when her casting was announced as well as a Director whose only previous movie was a low-budget indie movie more than a decade ago. Without Wonder Woman, there wouldn't be any other female-led superhero movies. But Wonder Woman turned out to be a huge hit (#1 movie of the summer and #2 movie so far this year, behind only Beauty and the Beast). Now we're definitely getting a Wonder Woman II and maybe getting a Batgirl movie and a Gotham City Sirens movie and MCU also added Captain Marvel to their slate of movies as a reaction to WB taking a risk and producing Wonder Woman. The Dark Knight says hi. You know, the film that even critics at the time said should have received a Oscar nomination |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 16:00:50 GMT
this is hands down my favorite MCU film. I like it the best because it took itself a bit more seriously than a lot of the other goofy MCU films (plus it felt more like a political thriller ).
8/10
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 10, 2017 20:06:05 GMT
Just stick to rating and discussing Winter Soldier without the same tired routine. And that's what I did. My 1st post on this thread, I just gave my rating of Winter Soldier and didn't make any negative comments about the movie. But then MCU fans who go crazy whenever anyone rates any MCU movie lower than a perfect 10 started attacking me for simply giving my rating. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
Just stick to rating and discussing Winter Soldier without the same tired routine. Tell that to DC-Fan. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 10, 2017 21:18:07 GMT
Just stick to rating and discussing Winter Soldier without the same tired routine. And that's what I did. No you didn't. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 11, 2017 4:03:41 GMT
He actually did, his original comment was just "3/10". Then someone else questioned him about it (which is fine, it's a discussion afterall) then it all unravelled after.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 4:48:47 GMT
He actually did, his original comment was just "3/10". Then someone else questioned him about it (which is fine, it's a discussion afterall) then it all unravelled after. He rated it in his usual tired routine, as low a score he could manage. He'd have gone for his usual 1/10 but that would've been TOO obvious for him. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2017 15:37:25 GMT
I understand what you're saying, I just think that train of thought is retar... er, incorrect. Then so is him constantly bringing up that list. That's the point. Well he may have brought it up, but he didn't create it. Your beef then is with the person(s) who created the list. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 11, 2017 16:04:28 GMT
Then so is him constantly bringing up that list. That's the point. Well he may have brought it up, but he didn't create it. Your beef then is with the person(s) who created the list. You must be new. He says the list and RT do not matter when discussing Justice League, BvS, SS, or Man of Steel, but then brings it up all of the time when Wonder Woman gets mentioned. Which is it? Does it matter or not? If it does matter, than Thor 3 is better than The Dark Knight, which is laughable by the way. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 11, 2017 19:18:11 GMT
Well he may have brought it up, but he didn't create it. Your beef then is with the person(s) who created the list. You must be new. He says the list and RT do not matter when discussing Justice League, BvS, SS, or Man of Steel, but then brings it up all of the time when Wonder Woman gets mentioned. Which is it? Does it matter or not? If it does matter, than Thor 3 is better than The Dark Knight, which is laughable by the way. I'm not so new. I'm aware of DC-FANs fanaticism (just as I am aware of many others MCU fanaticism). |
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