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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 6, 2017 1:36:08 GMT
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I love the X-Men, but this franchise has been treading water for awhile. It's not drowning, don't get me wrong, it's just not going anywhere. It's just sort of the next random movie after the next random movie, none of it building on itself, and honestly they're just wasting story arcs that could be built up and delivered with so much more impact.
And I don't necessarily want or need the X-Men in the MCU itself, but I do want a company in charge who is going to put together a long term plan that builds on itself and shows a sincere dedication and love for the characters being presented. Fox isn't doing that. We know Disney will. I'm looking forward to this if it happens. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 11, 2017 4:10:57 GMT
Your MCU formula is getting to your head. Once upon a time, people hated sequels and now, that's all you people care about. You can't look back and admire Patrick Stewart amazing take on Professor X or Ian McKellan's awesome Magneto. Or McAvoy and Fassbender as the younger versions of those character, also giving stellar performances. What you want is an adaptation by Marvel itself... feeding a long series of movies where nothing really stand out. All these great, deep characters will amount to are pull-string toys with cheap one-liners and 5 seconds of lamenting over this or that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 5:24:58 GMT
Once upon a time, people hated sequels and now, The MCU has fixed that. Seeing how you don't appreciate all the hard work Evans, Downey and all the others have put in... Unashamed approaches to classic characters. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 11, 2017 5:31:16 GMT
The movies are not really random. The X-Men films have focused on setting up Dark Phoenix. Both old and new trilogy. While Deadpool is set up for X-Force.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 5:35:44 GMT
Your MCU formula is getting to your head. Once upon a time, people hated sequels and now, that's all you idiots care about. It's pathetic. You can't look back and admire Patrick Stewart amazing take on Professor X or Ian McKellan's awesome Magneto. Or McAvoy and Fassbender as the younger versions of those character, also giving stellar performances. What you want is an adaptation by Marvel itself... feeding a long series of movies where nothing really stand out. All these great, deep characters will amount to are pull-string toys with cheap one-liners and 5 seconds of lamenting over this or that. Hated sequels with no purpose maybe. The MCU isn't just sequels, it's long form story telling. It's so far above and beyond anything you would define as a sequel, that it doesn't apply to those ones you say we hated. You're missing the bigger picture. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 5:36:14 GMT
The movies are not really random. The X-Men films have focused on setting up Dark Phoenix. Both old and new trilogy. While Deadpool is set up for X-Force. Not really |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 5:40:29 GMT
The movies are not really random. The X-Men films have focused on setting up Dark Phoenix. Both old and new trilogy. While Deadpool is set up for X-Force. They keep getting it wrong in that they jump right to Dark Phoenix and forget Good Phoenix first. |
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Post by syafiqjabar on Dec 11, 2017 6:14:33 GMT
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I love the X-Men, but this franchise has been treading water for awhile. It's not drowning, don't get me wrong, it's just not going anywhere. It's just sort of the next random movie after the next random movie, none of it building on itself, and honestly they're just wasting story arcs that could be built up and delivered with so much more impact.
And I don't necessarily want or need the X-Men in the MCU itself, but I do want a company in charge who is going to put together a long term plan that builds on itself and shows a sincere dedication and love for the characters being presented. Fox isn't doing that. We know Disney will. I'm looking forward to this if it happens. The level of brainwash in this post is astonishing. Movies don’t have to set up other movies. THhis might even be the man weakness of Apocalypse, compared to Logan. |
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Post by agentblue on Dec 11, 2017 8:15:34 GMT
It will be the X Reboot we deserve but not the one we need right now.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 10:37:04 GMT
The movies are not really random. The X-Men films have focused on setting up Dark Phoenix. Both old and new trilogy. While Deadpool is set up for X-Force. They keep getting it wrong in that they jump right to Dark Phoenix and forget Good Phoenix first. They did good Phoenix in X2 when Jean uses her powers like during the X-jet scene and the other xmen are astonished yet concerned how she managed to pull that feat off. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 12:14:28 GMT
They keep getting it wrong in that they jump right to Dark Phoenix and forget Good Phoenix first. They did good Phoenix in X2 when Jean uses her powers like during the X-jet scene and the other xmen are astonished yet concerned how she managed to pull that feat off. You mean that silliness where she deliberately killed herself because the movie didn't give enough reasoning as to why she couldn't do it from inside the Jet? That ONE moment? Sorry, no. The comics at least gave her a decent intro story and stuff in between before they did Dark Phoenix. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 12:28:04 GMT
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I love the X-Men, but this franchise has been treading water for awhile. It's not drowning, don't get me wrong, it's just not going anywhere. It's just sort of the next random movie after the next random movie, none of it building on itself, and honestly they're just wasting story arcs that could be built up and delivered with so much more impact.
And I don't necessarily want or need the X-Men in the MCU itself, but I do want a company in charge who is going to put together a long term plan that builds on itself and shows a sincere dedication and love for the characters being presented. Fox isn't doing that. We know Disney will. I'm looking forward to this if it happens. The level of brainwash in this post is astonishing. Movies don’t have to set up other movies. THhis might even be the man weakness of Apocalypse, compared to Logan. They don't have to. But it's not about setting up other movies. It's about building a narrative. And with a medium like comics they sure can reach their potential by building on each other.
You're still missing the bigger picture if you think the only thing going on is setting up other movies.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 13:26:50 GMT
They did good Phoenix in X2 when Jean uses her powers like during the X-jet scene and the other xmen are astonished yet concerned how she managed to pull that feat off. You mean that silliness where she deliberately killed herself because the movie didn't give enough reasoning as to why she couldn't do it from inside the Jet? That ONE moment? Sorry, no. The comics at least gave her a decent intro story and stuff in between before they did Dark Phoenix. The Xjet scene where she deflects the missle after Storm uses the tornados. And in the last scene at Alkali lake, she was losing her sanity as hinted throughout the movie so she made a sacrificial play. X1/2 gave a good setup for the Dark Phoenix story in X3, which was botched by Ratner. And they didnt need to follow the Emma Frost/Hellfire club,etc from the comics to show Jean as a fragile central character struggling to cope. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 15:13:53 GMT
The Xjet scene where she deflects the missle after Storm uses the tornados. And in the last scene at Alkali lake, she was losing her sanity as hinted throughout the movie so she made a sacrificial play. Not conveyed well enough...of course Jean wasn't much of a character so much as an object of lust for Logan (despite them only knowing each other for a few days). Eh, Singer's original ideas for the Phoenix Saga weren't very engaging either. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 15:25:34 GMT
(despite them only knowing each other for a few days). I'll actually argue this. I've had some incredibly intense connections with women after only a few day so that relationship felt incredibly intense and real. I would call that one of the best relationships in the film specifically because the attraction level needed for that kind of connection is unavoidable, visceral, and just indescribably raw. It's understanding, it's lust, honesty, it's letting each other know with looks, and then this battle between wanting to give in and fearing it. I'm telling you, that was powerful. She knew she had the power. But he also had the respect for her. It was beautiful.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 16:28:36 GMT
And its nothing new either, Wade has the same reaction when he first sees Vanessa.
Plus in Apocalypse, Jean calms down Logan after he breaks out of WeaponX, forming a mental connection thats reignited many years later.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 17:10:47 GMT
And its nothing new either, Wade has the same reaction when he first sees Vanessa. At least the montage seen after that establishes them being together for months. BS Explanation. Especially at the timelines had already diverged by that point and Jean was older than she was in X3's flashback. |
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Post by DarkManX on Dec 12, 2017 18:00:27 GMT
I am excited for the X-Men having a long running story. I'm also ready for an actual X-Men movie instead of another Wolverine-Magneto: Stryker movie.
I'd like to see them reboot completely and set up for Age of Apocalypse where Apocalypse is more than just a one off villain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
Your MCU formula is getting to your head. Once upon a time, people hated sequels and now, that's all you idiots care about. It's pathetic. You can't look back and admire Patrick Stewart amazing take on Professor X or Ian McKellan's awesome Magneto. Or McAvoy and Fassbender as the younger versions of those character, also giving stellar performances. What you want is an adaptation by Marvel itself... feeding a long series of movies where nothing really stand out. All these great, deep characters will amount to are pull-string toys with cheap one-liners and 5 seconds of lamenting over this or that. , lukelovesfilm called us all idiots again. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 12, 2017 19:41:25 GMT
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I love the X-Men, but this franchise has been treading water for awhile. It's not drowning, don't get me wrong, it's just not going anywhere. It's just sort of the next random movie after the next random movie, none of it building on itself, and honestly they're just wasting story arcs that could be built up and delivered with so much more impact.
And I don't necessarily want or need the X-Men in the MCU itself, but I do want a company in charge who is going to put together a long term plan that builds on itself and shows a sincere dedication and love for the characters being presented. Fox isn't doing that. We know Disney will. I'm looking forward to this if it happens. The level of brainwash in this post is astonishing. Movies don’t have to set up other movies. THhis might even be the man weakness of Apocalypse, compared to Logan. You're not wrong. |
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