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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 9, 2017 19:47:59 GMT
It occurred to me recently, I wonder if Arrow might be gearing up for some iteration of the once planned movie plot for a Green Arrow movie, known as Escape From Supermax. The purported plot would find Oliver Queen framed for murder and sent to a maximum security prison for super-criminals; where he would fight villains for his very survival and ultimately have to escape.
For some reason I thought the plans for this movie were adapted from a comic storyline, but in trying to look that up, I couldn't find anything to that end. Just the same, with the current storyline of Oliver being investigated for being the Green Arrow, I wonder if the show would so radically alter the landscape of the show, and actually put Oliver (and maybe at least some of his cohorts) in a special kind of prison; where the entirety, or at least a substantial portion of the next season would take place?
One twist on this that might be interesting, would be to take a page from the comics for the potential setting of the prison. I forget the name of the story arch, or if it had one; it featured super-powered villains being sent off world to a penal colony, where it was essentially every villain for themselves. The story is kind of hazy, and I'm hoping I'm not conflating different stories, but if memory serves, Lex Luthor ends up being sent there and uses his intellect to take control of at least a faction of the forces fighting; and Batman sent Martian Manhunter undercover (I think as Blockbuster) to investigate what was going on, only to be found out and actually killed. It then turned out that some outside force (aliens?) had co-opted everything, I think even redirecting where the villains were being teleported too, in a bid to use them against Earth.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to send Oliver and/or Team Arrow to another planet (.... well Felicity would be a tough call...) but they could do something along those lines, where certain prisoners - maybe metas - have proven too dangerous to keep imprisoned; and they're sent somewhere where they'll be out of sight and out of mind. They could even bring the story full circle by having that somewhere be none other than Lian Yu.
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Post by lokisgodhi on Dec 23, 2017 5:30:09 GMT
It occurred to me as well. Berlanti has demonstrated that it's adept at cherry picking from the established canon and using it in interesting ways that aren't exactly like the source materiel they used.
Considering Oliver and Barry are both under indictment for murder, having the both convicted and then sent to the same prison would be an interesting development for a two show crossover.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 18, 2018 4:32:03 GMT
Well.... That happened... |
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Post by General Kenobi on May 18, 2018 21:12:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 13:33:06 GMT
Well.... That happened...  |
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 13:53:13 GMT
Now Oliver outed himself why cant Lyla recruit him to ARGUS as a means to reduce his sentence, then they could have Oliver getting loaned out to the FBI Task Force after Diaz as a way to return him to the city and as a partially free man, which also allows for some fun of the week episodes where Lyla needs Oliver as part of an op.
Obviously this should not happen in the first episode, I think we should get a 3 ep arc of Oliver in prison which culminates in a attempted hit on Oliver's life which he thwarts and then to ensure that doesn't happen again because you can include corrupt guards even a corrupt warden in it, this is why Lyla can get Oliver released and they also call back to S5 where Olive as well as the other heroes were honoured for saving the world.
Then you can do the Longbow hunters as a continuation of the hit storyline going forward.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 19, 2018 14:22:10 GMT
I'm just curious as why Oliver is in gen pop, instead of a protective detention block.
There's going to be a lot of crooks who want to take a shot at the Green Arrow, so it's very reckless to put him among them.
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 16:12:23 GMT
Also did that look rather pedestrian to anyone else, I mean I hear supermax I envision high tech super secure no hope in hell of escape, and not you generic prison you have seen a million times before.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 19, 2018 16:44:35 GMT
I'd still like to see the prison turn out to be Lian Yu.
I expect the story to be split between Oliver in prison and everyone else doing their thing elsewhere. But as Deb said, I don't expect it to last long; the fact they've announced next year's crossover for around December, I think I read, suggests Oliver will be free by about that time in order to be involved. It was like this year and how obvious it was that Oliver would suit up again, especially given the crossover.
Mind you, I take no pride in calling this; at the time I originally posted this thread, the story seemed to be heading in that direction, only to go off another way that made this outcome seem less likely. So I'm kind of disappointed that it played out this way after all.
My biggest complaint was the pointless trial. I mean, if you're going to send him to jail anyway, why bother contriving the story that acquits him?
And like I've posted elsewhere, the fact that he was acquitted should preclude further charges. I know others have pointed out that they only charged him with X number of things that probably doesn't cover everything he'd done as the Hood/Arrow/Green Arrow, but that just further makes the trial a pointless sham. If the contention of the prosecution was that he was all these masked vigilante personas, then all of the crimes tied to those identies should be part of that case against him. By all rights, his acquittal should have been the end of him facing jail, at least for any earlier acts as the Green Arrow. Admitted, going out immediately after the trial and firing holes into some crooked cops working for Diaz would be another matter, but that's neither here nor there. If they wanted Oliver in jail at the end of season, there are far better ways to have done it. I mean, what federal crimes did Oliver commit that Diaz didn't? The FBI needed some bullshit permission to operate in the city to go after Diaz, but Oliver is up for grabs?
Yes, it was absolutely dumb for him to be in general pop, now that it's mentioned. More reason, I think, for this "Supermax" he's incarcerated in to turn out to be something less conversational; if not Lian Yu, turning the entirety of Star City into a prison on account of such an extreme level of corruption, that it's just easier to keep all the criminals there, trying to filter out the few remaining innocents, than to weed out the criminals and send them somewhere else. Then Oliver and the entirety of his team are stuck together behind the wall, perhaps intentionally by the feds who lump them together with the other criminals, and are left with no choice but to bring order to complete chaos.
By the by, wasn't Roy supposed to make an appearance in the finale? I thought I read he was showing up before the end of the season, which would tease his return as a regular next year.
Anyone else find it odd that Oliver had a second Green Arrow suit made for Diggle only recently; meaning that when Diggle was Green Arrow, he not only wore, but somehow fit into Oliver's costume?
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 16:58:52 GMT
Yeah there was an easy work around to all of that, just have Oliver admit to being the GA and then plead guilty to perjury, that's a felony on it's own and carries prison time, so it still works out the same to a degree, plus that way instead of harping on Oliver going away for life you make it threatening but having Oliver be sent down for say 5 years but knowing it will be 5 years of survival all over again, that if he can make it 5 years he can be with his family but the trouble will be making it through those years, because atleast that's a bit palatable as an audience to buy, Oliver going away for 25 years is BS and we all know that but if you play up the danger then that's something we can sink our teeth into atleast.
And yeah I'm with you how stupid it is that the mayor has to sign of on the FBI coming for Diaz but no one had to greenlight them coming after Oliver.
You know what I just thought how they got Oliver should have been him confessing to his assault in Bludhaven to rescue Walter, that's something he wouldn't have been tried for and a reasonable loophole to specifically hang on him that those of us who remember that would have gone oh shit yeah he's been active outside of Star City, because just sayin g ha that was local this is federal is so broad and bland it means nothing to anyone, specificity in this instance was key imo.
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 22:35:03 GMT
Yes he did goofball, he testified that Roy was never a vigilante, that after Roy "died" he found out that the Hood/Arrow & the Green Arrow were one in the same and that he himself was not that person, but he knew who it was and would not reveal his identity.
Edit: Oh come on DC-Fan don't be a pussy you were factually unequivocally wrong, not the first nor will it be the last time, so man up and admit it, don't just go deleting your post to try and hide it, man up you gutless prick. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 20, 2018 17:11:06 GMT
Yes he did goofball, he testified that Roy was never a vigilante, that after Roy "died" he found out that the Hood/Arrow & the Green Arrow were one in the same and that he himself was not that person, but he knew who it was and would not reveal his identity.
You're right. Oliver did testify. The reason I forgot about that was because the prosecution called Ramirez to testify and Diaz coerced Ramirez into saying that Oliver was the Green Arrow and then Oliver didn't testify after that. That threw me off because in a real trial that would never happen. Oliver testified and then the prosecution called Ramirez as a rebuttal witness to refute Oliver's testimony. But in a real trial, the prosecution can't be sure that Oliver would testify so the prosecution would've called Ramirez as a prosecution witness rather than as a rebuttal witness to Oliver because if Oliver doesn't testify, then the prosecution can't call Ramirez since the prosecution will have already rested their case. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 20, 2018 17:17:42 GMT
yeah I'm with you how stupid it is that the mayor has to sign of on the FBI coming for Diaz but no one had to greenlight them coming after Oliver. It's not stupid. On Criminal Minds, they've pointed out several times that the FBI BAU team can't go to help on the case unless the local officials invite them to do so. So it may be true. It may depend on jurisdiction. The FBI would have jurisdiction for crimes like bank robbery or kidnapping, but local law enforcement has jurisdiction for murder and other local crimes and the FBI would need to be asked by local officials to assist with the case. As for why the FBI didn't need a greenlight to go after Oliver, well, Oliver was the Mayor so obviously Oliver isn't going to invite the FBI to investigate himself for breaking the Vigilante Law. Since Oliver is the Mayor, the FBI may consider Oliver's case to be corruption at the highest level of local government. And corruption in local government may be 1 of the things that the FBI IS allowed to investigate. |
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Post by dazz on May 20, 2018 18:46:45 GMT
yeah I'm with you how stupid it is that the mayor has to sign of on the FBI coming for Diaz but no one had to greenlight them coming after Oliver. It's not stupid. On Criminal Minds, they've pointed out several times that the FBI BAU team can't go to help on the case unless the local officials invite them to do so. So it may be true. It may depend on jurisdiction. The FBI would have jurisdiction for crimes like bank robbery or kidnapping, but local law enforcement has jurisdiction for murder and other local crimes and the FBI would need to be asked by local officials to assist with the case. As for why the FBI didn't need a greenlight to go after Oliver, well, Oliver was the Mayor so obviously Oliver isn't going to invite the FBI to investigate himself for breaking the Vigilante Law. Since Oliver is the Mayor, the FBI may consider Oliver's case to be corruption at the highest level of local government. And corruption in local government may be 1 of the things that the FBI IS allowed to investigate. Yes it is stupid, I know the FBI cant just do as they please they either need to be brought in or the crimes must be federal for them to take charge, but seeing all the shit Diaz is up to an involved with includes a nationwide criminal organisation including drug running & weapons dealing, but that's ok whatever but for them to never need to attempt to get Oliver to let them get involved is stupid, the FBI should have approached Oliver in the guise of hunting for the GA and hiding their suspicion of him, his refusal to allow it then gives them cause of find another way in and forget the ruse and focus on him, but they didn't they just sauntered in accusing him without any prior whiff they were even interested in the vigilantes hence it being fucking stupid.
This is the problem these shows have they try to act realistic but they have no foundation that grounds them, they make up rules they need to follow at random and for no purpose, such as this, they already had the FBI getting involved without needing the mayor to bring them in so why waste time in the finale dicking about with it? even on the Diaz front him demanding they piss of means nothing, the fact the FBI came looking for him atlast means he is on their radar and as the head of a nationwide criminal organisation the FBI, ATF, DEA the whole alphabet soup crew can be coming after him regardless of local authorities signing off on it, so it was all stupid and a waste of screen time, the fact this wasn't even pointed out as a means to make it clear Diaz was meant to be losing it and unravelling makes it even dumber. |
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