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Post by charzhino on Dec 12, 2017 16:01:58 GMT
No, they just don't have the characters stand around and give an operatic monologue on their emotional state because The directors are told to focus more on comedic side characters and gags. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 16:03:08 GMT
No, they just don't have the characters stand around and give an operatic monologue on their emotional state because The directors are told to focus more on comedic side characters and gags. Nah, they just think the characters should be proactive and not merely reactive. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 12, 2017 16:21:14 GMT
Hey, if they're asking for an R Rating they should be prepared for everything you can get with a R Rating. No point in being a prude. That's a strange comment to make. People are asking for a R rated movie for specific reasons, not to randomly see an anal sex scene. That's completely irrelevant to what they're asking for. The whole MCU wouldn't just turn Right rated. It's the possibility of the odd movie or two. That actually was largely because of their ratings. Especially with Alien vs Predator, a movie series known for its violence which then had a movie where nobody was violently killed at all. You may aswell have a Friday the 13th movie where nobody was butchered. That wasn't that graphic nor was there any blood. It was also an alien and they wouldn't have done that with a human character. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 12, 2017 16:31:56 GMT
At the same time you should make the entire movie about that. Or, like the X-men movies, every movie about that. We get it, move along. Singer has one theme in his head and he keeps revisiting it. Also, if you really need that in your movies then there is something wrong with you and you need to get help. Seriously. No that's not what I meant. Im saying when MCU try to go into more adult themes they gloss over them or lighten them down. Tony in IM3. Not keeping dead characters dead purposefuly. Cap and Peggys reunion really short. Rhodeys injury in civil war downplayed. Thats just off top of my head. Other superhero movies go deeper. Spiderman 2, Nolans Bat films, Man of Steel. They feel much more commited to the superheros troubles just as much as the action and display each more balanced. Cant say the same for MCU, they tend to feel more restrained. And all those things were a part of the story. Restrained? All of the movies went into those things. How was Tony's condition in IM3 restrained? He found a way to get through it in the movie it was introduced in. How is that any different from Xavier going cold turkey with that serum Beast was giving him and getting over it when they needed him to use his powers again. They used Xavier's "depression" as a device for him not to use his powers. Because, as the filmmakers say, they try to find ways for him not to end the movie right away. It's the same as Superman being dead and Goku'ing Justice League at the end of the movie. I'm guessing you are talking about Nick Fury on the dead character coming back to life. Did anybody check a pulse or was it assumed that he was dead? We heard a machine and there were lots of sad faces. The master spy faked his death. Get over it. Was that the reunion or was that a visit? You trying to say, since he woke up, that was the 1st time he came to see Peggy? Come on man. Rhodey's injury downplayed? You mean the guy that tried to walk in a robot legs, but fell down? You mean the guy that can build exo suits shouldn't have built something for his injured friend? Spider-man 2 went into nothing but his failed relationship with Mary Jane. They had no middle for the movie so they made him quit for no reason. I'm trying to figure out the troubles of Batman in the Nolan movies besides the obvious parents dying and him trying to quit so he can get the girl. And Man of Steel... nope. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 16:34:50 GMT
So he thinks that the only way a film can be "for adults" is if they kill everyone and be loaded with blood and cursing. That's some adolescents' idea of "Maturity". Don't see why we can't have both PG-13 and R rating films. Most superhero films have no business being Rated R anyway. So there's no issue. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 12, 2017 16:36:18 GMT
Hey, if they're asking for an R Rating they should be prepared for everything you can get with a R Rating. No point in being a prude. That's a strange comment to make. People are asking for a R rated movie for specific reasons, not to randomly see an anal sex scene. That's completely irrelevant to what they're asking for. The whole MCU wouldn't just turn Right rated. It's the possibility of the odd movie or two. That actually was largely because of their ratings. Especially with Alien vs Predator, a movie series known for its violence which then had a movie where nobody was violently killed at all. You may aswell have a Friday the 13th movie where nobody was butchered. That wasn't that graphic nor was there any blood. It was also an alien and they wouldn't have done that with a human character. Blood and gore is what they are asking for. It makes them feel grown up. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 12, 2017 16:36:51 GMT
No, they just don't have the characters stand around and give an operatic monologue on their emotional state because The directors are told to focus more on comedic side characters and gags. Or that's what you think. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 16:37:13 GMT
So he thinks that the only way a film can be "for adults" is if they kill everyone and be loaded with blood and cursing. That's some adolescents' idea of "Maturity". That definitely describes some of the trolls on this board, but that isn't what he's saying here. He's saying you have more creative freedom when you aren't worried about selling toys. There are certain guidelines you have to follow if you want to market the film to children. It all goes back to McDonalds getting angry about Batman Returns because they thought Happy Meal toys shouldn't feature creepy characters who kill and sexually assault people (Penguin). It's odd, because they made a Friday the 13th NES game in the 80s which was definitely marketed to kids, but I have to say that would never happen today. The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. But there's no way Disney makes Logan or Deadpool, and that's the real issue. Those films simply would not exist if every film had to follow some studio mandate regarding marketing to the widest possible audience. Every superhero film wants to sell toys. Including the Fox produced ones. Logan and Deadpool aren't that special to begin with, and most superhero films have no business being rated R anyway.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 16:39:04 GMT
And thats what James Mangold is concerened about. Mangold can go fuck himself. He's not that great. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 12, 2017 16:42:48 GMT
Whenever anyone brings up why the MCU can't be R-Rated, I give them an example of an R-Rated MCU. Predictably, those same people back off because they're offended by...the stuff you'd see from an R-Rated movie. That's not what people want out of an R rated MCU though. Your example is something that has never happened in the comic. Daredevil on Netflix would be R rated. A movie along those kind of lines is people would be referring to. Yes and Daredevil is owned by Disney so there is no reason to believe that Disney will stop Fox from making R-Rated Deadpool movies. Disney has released R rated movies through subordinate studios for years. Fox Studios will continue to do what it always has. It is just a change in the parent company. I hope they keep the X-Men separate from the MCU but with the option of moving certain characters to the MCU. |
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Post by miike80 on Dec 12, 2017 17:03:58 GMT
Don't know how you know I didn't care. As for the Deadpool gag,it might work for 2 minutes If Logan's inability to hack someone up took away from those movies, you sure don't see it. If DP's own gags could fill a movie, so could him being frustrated that he could only talk in censored language. It's not like him cursing is all he can do. Well,for a character like Logan violence should not be toned down,you have to feel it |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 12, 2017 17:07:53 GMT
His thing on merchandise is weird. Terminator, Aliens, Predator, RoboCop and even Horror franchise's like Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th have had toys made. All R rated films.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 12, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
His thing on merchandise is weird. Terminator, Aliens, Predator, RoboCop and even Horror franchise's like Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th have had toys made. All R rated films. But they are grown up toys... |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2017 17:29:36 GMT
That definitely describes some of the trolls on this board, but that isn't what he's saying here. He's saying you have more creative freedom when you aren't worried about selling toys. There are certain guidelines you have to follow if you want to market the film to children. It all goes back to McDonalds getting angry about Batman Returns because they thought Happy Meal toys shouldn't feature creepy characters who kill and sexually assault people (Penguin). It's odd, because they made a Friday the 13th NES game in the 80s which was definitely marketed to kids, but I have to say that would never happen today. The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. But there's no way Disney makes Logan or Deadpool, and that's the real issue. Those films simply would not exist if every film had to follow some studio mandate regarding marketing to the widest possible audience. Every superhero film wants to sell toys. Including the Fox produced ones. Logan and Deadpool aren't that special to begin with, and most superhero films have no business being rated R anyway.. Selling toys was not a priority for Logan and Deadpool. I agree, most superhero films have no reason to be R rated. But it worked for those two and they never would've happened under Disney's watch. Neither of them had to be R rated to succeed, but I'm glad they went for it for the sake of variety. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 12, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
His thing on merchandise is weird. Terminator, Aliens, Predator, RoboCop and even Horror franchise's like Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th have had toys made. All R rated films. But they are grown up toys... Looking back on it, it makes sense why there was hairy large men that always hang around the toy aisle when I was a child. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2017 17:35:17 GMT
His thing on merchandise is weird. Terminator, Aliens, Predator, RoboCop and even Horror franchise's like Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th have had toys made. All R rated films. Good point, but those aren't properties originally designed for children. The key is getting the maximum sales potential out of your property. The lighter you make it, the more options you have with cross-marketing. That's the formula these days. The bean counters have completely taken over, there's no going back now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 17:37:36 GMT
Every superhero film wants to sell toys. Including the Fox produced ones. Logan and Deadpool aren't that special to begin with, and most superhero films have no business being rated R anyway.. Selling toys was not a priority for Logan and Deadpool. I agree, most superhero films have no reason to be R rated. But it worked for those two and they never would've happened under Disney's watch. Neither of them had to be R rated to succeed, but I'm glad they went for it for the sake of variety. You are aware that Disney's made tons of R rated films under subordinate companies, right? All they have to do is do that again. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2017 17:40:52 GMT
Selling toys was not a priority for Logan and Deadpool. I agree, most superhero films have no reason to be R rated. But it worked for those two and they never would've happened under Disney's watch. Neither of them had to be R rated to succeed, but I'm glad they went for it for the sake of variety. You are aware that Disney's made tons of R rated films under subordinate companies, right? All they have to do is do that again. Yeah, they're going to incorporate an R-rated Deadpool into the MCU with the Avengers. I totally see that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 17:46:28 GMT
You are aware that Disney's made tons of R rated films under subordinate companies, right? All they have to do is do that again. Yeah, they're going to incorporate an R-rated Deadpool into the MCU with the Avengers. I totally see that happening.  Not remotely what I meant. Pay attention. And keep your sarcasm to yourself. You really think Disney can't just un-defunct Touchstone to produce a Deadpool film that's separate from the MCU? |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 12, 2017 18:25:44 GMT
Quote author=" ThatGuy " source="/post/1163758/thread" timestamp="1513096316"]Restrained? [/quote] Yes these movies feel restrained. Afraid to delve deeper. Tonys PTSD is watered down because he acts pretty much like his normal self talking with the same tone. He gets over it with ease in comparison with Xaviers depression/addiction in DOFP where the film allows the character of Xavier freedom to visibly show hes hit rock bottom with a complete flip in his behaviour and tone. The level of depth between the 2 is night and day. How great would it have been to keep the Mandarin as he portrayed in the first half of IM3, a cold blooded self-proclaimed teacher wanting to exploit Starks PTSD and anxiety of not being able to control threats and really punish him, maybe even killing Pepper. But this is what i mean, they turn his character into a joke for laughs half way through and the film never recovers its tone from then on. Just a cheap way to create fake emotion for half an hour before he pops back again alive. And its with others like Coulson too. Lack of stakes because audience gets used to the double bluff technique and cant be emotionally invested. In Cap 1 the bedrock of the movie is Caps romantic angle with Peggy. But in Winter Soldier he gets 5 minute scene with her. Then shes killed off screen in CW. The moments that should be very emotional are not given any meat. They are glossed over. Compare it to the young Xavier meets Old xavier unite scene. Its written and directed with a lot more substance than anything between Cap n Peggy after The First Avenger. The directors could have removed the Cap kisses Agent 23 scene which was played for jokes and actually give us a meanginful scene between Cap and Peggy before she passed. Again this is lack of stakes. It didnt feel like the airport scene had any lasting or serious consequence if the film ends with Tony looking mild, Rhodey laughing his disability of and a Tony Stank joke inbetween. |
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