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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 13:52:54 GMT
Massive plot spoilers follow. Don't read this thread if you don't want to be spoiled.
Seriously, don't.
Ok
Saw this last night with my brother.
I like this movie but some things bother me about it.
For one, Space Leia was ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous.
For another, Finn's whole side mission. Think about it. He goes off with whatsername, mechanic girl, to get a code breaker from some planet. They completely fail to get the code breaker, but they meet another guy who says he's just as good. They come back with him... and then completely fail to do the thing they were trying to do. So they fail in every step of their mission, and then it never matters because their mission was pointless. You could cut that entire thirty minutes out of the movie and it would make no difference at all.
Likewise, Poe's whole rebellion against the Admiral lady. Turns out her plan was a good one after all, and so his entire rebellion, which set up Finn's mission, was a pointless waste of screen time. And the whole thing could have been avoided if the Admiral had told him her damn plan in the first place! Why didn't she?? Why wouldn't she?! There is no reason whatsoever for her to keep her plan secret, and the only reason it happens is so we can have an entire ultimately pointless chunk of plot whose sole function in the movie is to give characters who would otherwise be extras in this movie something to do that looks superficially important.
And then Finn and Mechanic Lady are... suddenly in love? WHY? When the hell did that happen? Neither one of them shows the slightest inclination towards being attracted to the other at any point throughout the whole film... until she's suddenly in love with him, for no reason whatsoever. And this happens what, six hours after they meet? At which point she shoots him for cowardice, remember. This just came out of nowhere and was a serious WTF moment. The best I can figure is that they had Finn be in love with her because they needed a reason he wouldn't be in love with Rey?
And okay, here's a minor one, but what the hell was with all that red stuff on the planet? Somebody tasted it and muttered 'salt', but that was the only explanation we ever got. I gather the plain has this red stuff underneath and white salt on top? But why do those little ships drag a stick along the surface as they fly around? Was it really just so they could make a pretty pattern whilst they were dying? It seemed utterly pointless and I spent about five minutes of that fight wondering what the hell was happening. I honestly thought they were going to have the red stuff be flammable or something, and they would wait till the First Order walked into it and set it all off under them. But no, it's just there to be there.
And finally, Rey, Luke and Emo Vader astral projecting across the galaxy. Along with Space Leia, that's the second previously unknown Force power that people pull out of their ass in this movie. At least this time they do establish it before Luke uses it in such dramatic fashion at the end, though.
So yeah... not a horrible movie, but one with many random weird elements to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 14:03:13 GMT
To be fair Rose immediately showed she was impressed by the legend of Finn’s exploits in TFA when they first met.
Yeah the astral projection and intergalactic multiparty telepathy is misplaced. Snoke seems to be the only one capable of the latter.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 17, 2017 14:31:16 GMT
Massive plot spoilers follow. Don't read this thread if you don't want to be spoiled. Seriously, don't. Ok Saw this last night with my brother. I like this movie but some things bother me about it. For one, Space Leia was ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous. For another, Finn's whole side mission. Think about it. He goes off with whatsername, mechanic girl, to get a code breaker from some planet. They completely fail to get the code breaker, but they meet another guy who says he's just as good. They come back with him... and then completely fail to do the thing they were trying to do. So they fail in every step of their mission, and then it never matters because their mission was pointless. You could cut that entire thirty minutes out of the movie and it would make no difference at all. Likewise, Poe's whole rebellion against the Admiral lady. Turns out her plan was a good one after all, and so his entire rebellion, which set up Finn's mission, was a pointless waste of screen time. And the whole thing could have been avoided if the Admiral had told him her damn plan in the first place! Why didn't she?? Why wouldn't she?! There is no reason whatsoever for her to keep her plan secret, and the only reason it happens is so we can have an entire ultimately pointless chunk of plot whose sole function in the movie is to give characters who would otherwise be extras in this movie something to do that looks superficially important. And then Finn and Mechanic Lady are... suddenly in love? WHY? When the hell did that happen? Neither one of them shows the slightest inclination towards being attracted to the other at any point throughout the whole film... until she's suddenly in love with him, for no reason whatsoever. And this happens what, six hours after they meet? At which point she shoots him for cowardice, remember. This just came out of nowhere and was a serious WTF moment. The best I can figure is that they had Finn be in love with her because they needed a reason he wouldn't be in love with Rey? And okay, here's a minor one, but what the hell was with all that red stuff on the planet? Somebody tasted it and muttered 'salt', but that was the only explanation we ever got. I gather the plain has this red stuff underneath and white salt on top? But why do those little ships drag a stick along the surface as they fly around? Was it really just so they could make a pretty pattern whilst they were dying? It seemed utterly pointless and I spent about five minutes of that fight wondering what the hell was happening. I honestly thought they were going to have the red stuff be flammable or something, and they would wait till the First Order walked into it and set it all off under them. But no, it's just there to be there. And finally, Rey, Luke and Emo Vader astral projecting across the galaxy. Along with Space Leia, that's the second previously unknown Force power that people pull out of their ass in this movie. At least this time they do establish it before Luke uses it in such dramatic fashion at the end, though. So yeah... not a horrible movie, but one with many random weird elements to it. I don't get why people are freaking out about Leia showing some Force powers, a mild one at that. You float in space you give a push off the force you save yourself. I'm wondering why it wasn't used before. As for Finn and Rose, the all point was for the plan to fail. It was a good plan and almost worked, but the "heroes" failed and learned a strong lesson. Believe in a wider purpose and you don't have all the answers. It makes them grow and learn and be better. (What's the point of showing Leia and Han wandering about space and the convoluted landing scenes? They still ended up captured and serving the purpose of Vader.) Holdo didn't know or trust Poe, why would she tell him anything? She is the leader, people should fallow and trust. Leia would tell him. But she was out of commission. Learn some humility Poe! And he did and now he can be a leader. It's not enough to be the hero no more for him. Maybe the movie was too good for the average soap opera viewing fan to understand. Maybe what was needed was exposition and more exposition about everything. Who is smoke, where he came, Rey's parents, Luke being the Uber Jedi that he is always. That movie would be awful and uninspired. This will go as empire as the best once people start to realize the underlying message of the movie. Imagine that a Star wars that is deep and not just Grey's anatomy in space. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 17, 2017 14:42:51 GMT
Massive plot spoilers follow. Don't read this thread if you don't want to be spoiled. Seriously, don't. Ok Saw this last night with my brother. I like this movie but some things bother me about it. For one, Space Leia was ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous. For another, Finn's whole side mission. Think about it. He goes off with whatsername, mechanic girl, to get a code breaker from some planet. They completely fail to get the code breaker, but they meet another guy who says he's just as good. They come back with him... and then completely fail to do the thing they were trying to do. So they fail in every step of their mission, and then it never matters because their mission was pointless. You could cut that entire thirty minutes out of the movie and it would make no difference at all. Likewise, Poe's whole rebellion against the Admiral lady. Turns out her plan was a good one after all, and so his entire rebellion, which set up Finn's mission, was a pointless waste of screen time. And the whole thing could have been avoided if the Admiral had told him her damn plan in the first place! Why didn't she?? Why wouldn't she?! There is no reason whatsoever for her to keep her plan secret, and the only reason it happens is so we can have an entire ultimately pointless chunk of plot whose sole function in the movie is to give characters who would otherwise be extras in this movie something to do that looks superficially important. And then Finn and Mechanic Lady are... suddenly in love? WHY? When the hell did that happen? Neither one of them shows the slightest inclination towards being attracted to the other at any point throughout the whole film... until she's suddenly in love with him, for no reason whatsoever. And this happens what, six hours after they meet? At which point she shoots him for cowardice, remember. This just came out of nowhere and was a serious WTF moment. The best I can figure is that they had Finn be in love with her because they needed a reason he wouldn't be in love with Rey? And okay, here's a minor one, but what the hell was with all that red stuff on the planet? Somebody tasted it and muttered 'salt', but that was the only explanation we ever got. I gather the plain has this red stuff underneath and white salt on top? But why do those little ships drag a stick along the surface as they fly around? Was it really just so they could make a pretty pattern whilst they were dying? It seemed utterly pointless and I spent about five minutes of that fight wondering what the hell was happening. I honestly thought they were going to have the red stuff be flammable or something, and they would wait till the First Order walked into it and set it all off under them. But no, it's just there to be there. And finally, Rey, Luke and Emo Vader astral projecting across the galaxy. Along with Space Leia, that's the second previously unknown Force power that people pull out of their ass in this movie. At least this time they do establish it before Luke uses it in such dramatic fashion at the end, though. So yeah... not a horrible movie, but one with many random weird elements to it. The movie was fucking awful and uninspired. I agree. On both counts. Pure trash, never to be seen again by me as long as I live? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:15:20 GMT
I don't get why people are freaking out about Leia showing some Force powers, a mild one at that. You float in space you give a push off the force you save yourself. I'm wondering why it wasn't used before. Well in my case it wasn't that she showed force powers. She's done that before, when she sensed that Luke wasn't on the Death Star Mark II. Rather, it was that particular circumstance was weird. She was floating in vacuum. If you're alive and you're floating in vacuum then you're busy thrashing around and dying. Since she wasn't doing that, she was presumably dead. And then... well, a miracle happened. Or was the force supposed to be protecting her from vacuum, too? I don't dismiss it as impossible, or beyond the capabilities of the force. It's just a very peculiar never-before-seen-anything-like-it capability to jump out of nowhere. And if the force can do that... well, what can't it do? Is there anything at all? No, I don't think that works as an explanation. If that was the intent then it didn't really work, and the whole movie becomes much more flawed than I'd pictured it as being. Indeed, that was also a rather pointless chunk of screen time. But necessary, in that they had to give Luke time to train - and incidentally that leads to one of the classic complaints about ESB, because the timeline appears quite messed up precisely because of that section. It's the biggest weakness of the movie. If the only reason for her not telling everyone her plan was that she didn't feel like it, then she's a horribly bad leader. And no, people do not follow or trust others just because they have the position of authority. You command people's respect and loyalty through your actions. Can't we just have a conversation about it? We both like the film, we just disagree on these particular aspects. Does that really have to be a reason for you to start throwing insults? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:16:41 GMT
To be fair Rose immediately showed she was impressed by the legend of Finn’s exploits in TFA when they first met. And then sixty seconds later she shot him and called him a coward and a traitor. And a few hours later she was in love with him. It's weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:37:37 GMT
To be fair Rose immediately showed she was impressed by the legend of Finn’s exploits in TFA when they first met. And then sixty seconds later she shot him and called him a coward and a traitor. And a few hours later she was in love with him. It's weird. Apparently you are not married...  |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 17, 2017 20:40:06 GMT
I don't get why people are freaking out about Leia showing some Force powers, a mild one at that. You float in space you give a push off the force you save yourself. I'm wondering why it wasn't used before. Well in my case it wasn't that she showed force powers. She's done that before, when she sensed that Luke wasn't on the Death Star Mark II. Rather, it was that particular circumstance was weird. She was floating in vacuum. If you're alive and you're floating in vacuum then you're busy thrashing around and dying. Since she wasn't doing that, she was presumably dead. And then... well, a miracle happened. Or was the force supposed to be protecting her from vacuum, too? I don't dismiss it as impossible, or beyond the capabilities of the force. It's just a very peculiar never-before-seen-anything-like-it capability to jump out of nowhere. And if the force can do that... well, what can't it do? Is there anything at all? No, I don't think that works as an explanation. If that was the intent then it didn't really work, and the whole movie becomes much more flawed than I'd pictured it as being. Indeed, that was also a rather pointless chunk of screen time. But necessary, in that they had to give Luke time to train - and incidentally that leads to one of the classic complaints about ESB, because the timeline appears quite messed up precisely because of that section. It's the biggest weakness of the movie. If the only reason for her not telling everyone her plan was that she didn't feel like it, then she's a horribly bad leader. And no, people do not follow or trust others just because they have the position of authority. You command people's respect and loyalty through your actions. Can't we just have a conversation about it? We both like the film, we just disagree on these particular aspects. Does that really have to be a reason for you to start throwing insults? I didn't insult you personally, heck I didn't insult anybody, watching soap operas is not an insult... I don't have much to say about what you replied except for holdo. Leia trusted her to make her a vice admiral. Poe should trust Leia. He didn't, he failed, he is a better person after that. A person that can be a leader. But you are only a leader if people trusts you. He never would have learned that lesson if not for the failure. The last thing Leia did was demote Poe, why would holdo trust him after that. To her he was a trigger happy flyboy that is better of not knowing a very secret plan. Holdo was right not to trust him by the way, as Poe got the resistance killed(2 times). He might as well be a fist order spy, by the manner he conducted things. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 17, 2017 20:53:44 GMT
To be fair Rose immediately showed she was impressed by the legend of Finn’s exploits in TFA when they first met.Yeah the astral projection and intergalactic multiparty telepathy is misplaced. Snoke seems to be the only one capable of the latter. I was thinking the same thing. So when Finn intends to sacrifice himself he finally becomes the hero she imagined him to be. So it did make some sense for her to fall for him at that point. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 17, 2017 21:02:08 GMT
The Leia thing was weird, but it was good to see her use the force. If only she was given her Yellow bladed lightsaber!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 17, 2017 21:04:46 GMT
To be fair Rose immediately showed she was impressed by the legend of Finn’s exploits in TFA when they first met. And then sixty seconds later she shot him and called him a coward and a traitor. And a few hours later she was in love with him. It's weird. Not really. She got angry at him for ruining the "hero worship" perception she had of him. Then when Finn becomes the hero she imagined him to be by trying to sacrifice himself, she's in love. If you know women, that's not far fetched. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 21:11:45 GMT
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 17, 2017 21:35:26 GMT
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