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Post by miike80 on Dec 18, 2017 14:01:15 GMT
I know man, but i can't help myself when i see the SW logo.. You do not know, actually. Anyone who says that Attack of the Clones or The Phantom Menace are better than The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi needs to seriously get their head examined. Maybe they just hate sand. I wasn't talking to you and i don't really care about your opinion
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:02:20 GMT
You do not know, actually. Anyone who says that Attack of the Clones or The Phantom Menace are better than The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi needs to seriously get their head examined. Maybe they just hate sand. I wasn't talking to you and i don't really care about your opinion Yeah, disregard this troll/shill "DSDsquared" clown. He's made a mess of this place all in the name of embarrassing himself.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 18, 2017 14:04:54 GMT
I wasn't talking to you and i don't really care about your opinion Yeah, disregard this troll/shill "DSDsquared" clown. He's made a mess of this place all in the name of embarrassing himself. The only person embarrassing themselves is you. You add nothing at all to any of these posts. I gave actual opinions of why I like the movie. Maybe you can give just one about anything.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:07:17 GMT
Yeah, disregard this troll/shill "DSDsquared" clown. He's made a mess of this place all in the name of embarrassing himself. The only person embarrassing themselves is you. You add nothing at all to any of these posts. I gave actual opinions of why I like the movie. Maybe you can give just one about anything. I did: my opinion is that you're an asshat and an idiot with terrible taste in politics, matched by an equally terrible taste in movies. Go paint your nails and engage in gurltalk about Reylo~* on Reddit or something.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 18, 2017 14:09:11 GMT
The only person embarrassing themselves is you. You add nothing at all to any of these posts. I gave actual opinions of why I like the movie. Maybe you can give just one about anything. I did: my opinion is that you're an asshat and an idiot with terrible taste in politics, matched by an equally terrible taste in movies. Go paint your nails and engage in gurltalk about Reylo~* on Reddit or something. This movie will make a TON of money and has great reviews, much like the low unemployment rate, record high economy, and the record stock market since Trump was elected. Very similar. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 18, 2017 14:10:29 GMT
No. I've only seen the prequels once each in their entirety, and this is right up there with those as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious as to how people who have seen the original trilogy could have enjoyed this garbage. What really has me baffled is how the directors got booted from the Han Solo flick for apparently making it too silly, and yet TLJ exists.
It's just dumb. There's barely any plot. "We'll just float here at impulse speed while the First Order inexplicably fails to surround us, for apparently days on end, while you guys go on a side mission to nowhere for nothing."
The forced comedy was off the charts terrible. A drunk leprechaun uses BB8 as a slot machine. The fish people with Luke. Luke with one liners. Luke using the term 'laser sword.' It was like a spoof of Star Wars. The cartoonish villains. Was there ever a time in the OT where imperial officers were played as buffoons? A laser battering ram? If you can destroy ships by flying through them at hyperspace, why didn't the Rebellion do that ages ago?! Why didn't they do it to the Death Star or at least a few Star Destroyers? Why didn't the First Order fly a ship at hyperspace into the Rebel stronghold at the end? The idea that Luke would even consider killing his nephew in his sleep because he thought he was a bad egg. He turned Darth Vader for Christ's sake. Superleia flying through space. Finn calling Phasma 'chrome dome.' Why did Benicio Del Toro talk like Roger Rabbit? As a Star Wars fan I'm simply blown away at the amount of dumb ideas run amok throughout this 'script.'
I like that Rey is nobody; but it's a lame 'twist' to build that mystery over two full films and have it ultimately mean nothing. They could've told us she was nobody right off the bat. We didn't know Luke was Vader's son and we still invested in him back in the day. There's just no point. It's another example of filler, just like the side mission to Space Monte Carlo which netted them nothing in the end. It was just there to take up empty space in the story. Who was Snoke? Who cares, because he's dead now. I guess there was no longer room for an Emperor stand-in now that we're going to focus on a love triangle between Rey, Finn and arguably the worst Star Wars character ever created. Is Rose supposed to be mentally handicapped, because that's how she came across. She was like an 8 year old trapped in an adult's body. She's the new Jar Jar as far as I'm concerned.
There were no stakes in this film. The Resistance is apparently 15 ships, not a confederation of star systems like in the OT. Likewise, the First Order is like 5 huge ships with no apparent HQ. And they go out of their way to show arms dealers are supplying both sides as if that's the only reason for the conflict. Or is it the only reason for the conflict, I just don't know anymore. And boy am I glad they added that commentary about animal cruelty, that was needed here.
Let me try to find some positives. I still enjoy Rey, Finn and Poe as characters, I just felt like the writing let them down in this film. Mark Hamill's character was hilarious, too bad that wasn't Luke Skywalker. While the hyperspace kamikaze was nonsensical, cinematically it was a great moment. I didn't love the back-to-back light saber hamfest (and I don't understand why Kylo didn't just use the force to kill them all) but I appreciate an attempt to do a different kind of action sequence in Star Wars.
Look, I thought it was a bad movie but I do think they can course correct. Hopefully the poor audience ratings (and I can only hope poor box office legs [by Star Wars standards] will get their attention) force the studio to go for something different next time. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't want that style in this universe.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:12:42 GMT
I did: my opinion is that you're an asshat and an idiot with terrible taste in politics, matched by an equally terrible taste in movies. Go paint your nails and engage in gurltalk about Reylo~* on Reddit or something. This movie will make a TON of money and has great reviews, much like the low unemployment rate, record high economy, and the record stock market since Trump was elected. Very similar. Thanks for pointing it out. So: money = quality and the state of the US economy and stock market for the last nine months = reflective of the current administration despite its not passing a single piece of meaningful legislation in twelve months (discounting this tax thing which prolly will through but AFAIK hasn't been signed yet)? And TLJ = best thing since Empire? I don't even have to refute any of this. I'll just leave it up as self-evidently stupid.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 18, 2017 14:14:05 GMT
Seen it two times already, better the second time. Probably going to see it a third time after christmas with my niece, before it leaves IMAX. (in my country movies don't stay as long as in the US)
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:16:41 GMT
Seen it two times already, better the second time. Probably going to see it a third time after christmas with my niece, before it leaves IMAX. (in my country movies don't stay as long as in the US) Your country prolly sucks. But this explains your MCU fandom. What, do you see the MCU as being synonymous with the American Dream or some hack shit?
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 18, 2017 14:17:39 GMT
No. I've only seen the prequels once each in their entirety, and this is right up there with those as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious as to how people who have seen the original trilogy could have enjoyed this garbage. What really has me baffled is how the directors got booted from the Han Solo flick for apparently making it too silly, and yet TLJ exists. It's just dumb. There's barely any plot. "We'll just float here at impulse speed while the First Order inexplicably fails to surround us, for apparently days on end, while you guys go on a side mission to nowhere for nothing." The forced comedy was off the charts terrible. A drunk leprechaun uses BB8 as a slot machine. The fish people with Luke. Luke with one liners. Luke using the term 'laser sword.' It was like a spoof of Star Wars. The cartoonish villains. Was there ever a time in the OT where imperial officers were played as buffoons? A laser battering ram? If you can destroy ships by flying through them at hyperspace, why didn't the Rebellion do that ages ago?! Why didn't they do it to the Death Star or at least a few Star Destroyers? Why didn't the First Order fly a ship at hyperspace into the Rebel stronghold at the end? The idea that Luke would even consider killing his nephew in his sleep because he thought he was a bad egg. He turned Darth Vader for Christ's sake. Superleia flying through space. Finn calling Phasma 'chrome dome.' Why did Benicio Del Toro talk like Roger Rabbit? As a Star Wars fan I'm simply blown away at the amount of dumb ideas run amok throughout this 'script.' I like that Rey is nobody; but it's a lame 'twist' to build that mystery over two full films and have it ultimately mean nothing. They could've told us she was nobody right off the bat. We didn't know Luke was Vader's son and we still invested in him back in the day. There's just no point. It's another example of filler, just like the side mission to Space Monte Carlo which netted them nothing in the end. It was just there to take up empty space in the story. Who was Snoke? Who cares, because he's dead now. I guess there was no longer room for an Emperor stand-in now that we're going to focus on a love triangle between Rey, Finn and arguably the worst Star Wars character ever created. Is Rose supposed to be mentally handicapped, because that's how she came across. She was like an 8 year old trapped in an adult's body. She's the new Jar Jar as far as I'm concerned. There were no stakes in this film. The Resistance is apparently 15 ships, not a confederation of star systems like in the OT. Likewise, the First Order is like 5 huge ships with no apparent HQ. And they go out of their way to show arms dealers are supplying both sides as if that's the only reason for the conflict. Or is it the only reason for the conflict, I just don't know anymore. And boy am I glad they added that commentary about animal cruelty, that was needed here. Let me try to find some positives. I still enjoy Rey, Finn and Poe as characters, I just felt like the writing let them down in this film. Mark Hamill's character was hilarious, too bad that wasn't Luke Skywalker. While the hyperspace kamikaze was nonsensical, cinematically it was a great moment. I didn't love the back-to-back light saber hamfest (and I don't understand why Kylo didn't just use the force to kill them all) but I appreciate an attempt to do a different kind of action sequence in Star Wars. Look, I thought it was a bad movie but I do think they can course correct. Hopefully the poor audience ratings (and I can only hope poor box office legs [by Star Wars standards] will get their attention) force the studio to go for something different next time. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't want that style in this universe. These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:19:40 GMT
No. I've only seen the prequels once each in their entirety, and this is right up there with those as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious as to how people who have seen the original trilogy could have enjoyed this garbage. What really has me baffled is how the directors got booted from the Han Solo flick for apparently making it too silly, and yet TLJ exists. It's just dumb. There's barely any plot. "We'll just float here at impulse speed while the First Order inexplicably fails to surround us, for apparently days on end, while you guys go on a side mission to nowhere for nothing." The forced comedy was off the charts terrible. A drunk leprechaun uses BB8 as a slot machine. The fish people with Luke. Luke with one liners. Luke using the term 'laser sword.' It was like a spoof of Star Wars. The cartoonish villains. Was there ever a time in the OT where imperial officers were played as buffoons? A laser battering ram? If you can destroy ships by flying through them at hyperspace, why didn't the Rebellion do that ages ago?! Why didn't they do it to the Death Star or at least a few Star Destroyers? Why didn't the First Order fly a ship at hyperspace into the Rebel stronghold at the end? The idea that Luke would even consider killing his nephew in his sleep because he thought he was a bad egg. He turned Darth Vader for Christ's sake. Superleia flying through space. Finn calling Phasma 'chrome dome.' Why did Benicio Del Toro talk like Roger Rabbit? As a Star Wars fan I'm simply blown away at the amount of dumb ideas run amok throughout this 'script.' I like that Rey is nobody; but it's a lame 'twist' to build that mystery over two full films and have it ultimately mean nothing. They could've told us she was nobody right off the bat. We didn't know Luke was Vader's son and we still invested in him back in the day. There's just no point. It's another example of filler, just like the side mission to Space Monte Carlo which netted them nothing in the end. It was just there to take up empty space in the story. Who was Snoke? Who cares, because he's dead now. I guess there was no longer room for an Emperor stand-in now that we're going to focus on a love triangle between Rey, Finn and arguably the worst Star Wars character ever created. Is Rose supposed to be mentally handicapped, because that's how she came across. She was like an 8 year old trapped in an adult's body. She's the new Jar Jar as far as I'm concerned. There were no stakes in this film. The Resistance is apparently 15 ships, not a confederation of star systems like in the OT. Likewise, the First Order is like 5 huge ships with no apparent HQ. And they go out of their way to show arms dealers are supplying both sides as if that's the only reason for the conflict. Or is it the only reason for the conflict, I just don't know anymore. And boy am I glad they added that commentary about animal cruelty, that was needed here. Let me try to find some positives. I still enjoy Rey, Finn and Poe as characters, I just felt like the writing let them down in this film. Mark Hamill's character was hilarious, too bad that wasn't Luke Skywalker. While the hyperspace kamikaze was nonsensical, cinematically it was a great moment. I didn't love the back-to-back light saber hamfest (and I don't understand why Kylo didn't just use the force to kill them all) but I appreciate an attempt to do a different kind of action sequence in Star Wars. Look, I thought it was a bad movie but I do think they can course correct. Hopefully the poor audience ratings (and I can only hope poor box office legs [by Star Wars standards] will get their attention) force the studio to go for something different next time. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't want that style in this universe. These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. Nah, they're forgettable Disney fan fiction and you're a shill. Go tweet about Trump or something.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 18, 2017 14:19:46 GMT
Seen it two times already, better the second time. Probably going to see it a third time after christmas with my niece, before it leaves IMAX. (in my country movies don't stay as long as in the US) Your country prolly sucks. But this explains your MCU fandom. What, do you see the MCU as being synonymous with the American Dream or some hack shit? Leave my country alone.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:20:20 GMT
Your country prolly sucks. But this explains your MCU fandom. What, do you see the MCU as being synonymous with the American Dream or some hack shit? Leave my country alone. Ahahahha, which one is it?
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Post by ryboto on Dec 18, 2017 14:23:22 GMT
I know man, but i can't help myself when i see the SW logo.. You do not know, actually. Anyone who says that Attack of the Clones or The Phantom Menace are better than The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi needs to seriously get their head examined. Maybe they just hate sand. ATOC is better than TFA or TLJ. "Got a boyfriend, cute boyfriend?" "that's not how the force works" "There was too much Vader in him." and on and on and on and on and on..
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 18, 2017 14:25:03 GMT
You do not know, actually. Anyone who says that Attack of the Clones or The Phantom Menace are better than The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi needs to seriously get their head examined. Maybe they just hate sand. ATOC is better than TFA or TLJ. "Got a boyfriend, cute boyfriend?" "that's not how the force works" "There was too much Vader in him." and on and on and on and on and on.. Your opinion means absolutely nothing since you have not even seen the film. On no planet is AOTC better that TLJ.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:30:57 GMT
ATOC is better than TFA or TLJ. "Got a boyfriend, cute boyfriend?" "that's not how the force works" "There was too much Vader in him." and on and on and on and on and on.. Your opinion means absolutely nothing since you have not even seen the film. On no planet is AOTC better that TLJ. Actually, on this one, according to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic? IT IS. TLJ is the most lowest-rated, worst-received Star Wars film ever. Here on earth. Sorry, stud.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 18, 2017 14:36:04 GMT
Your opinion means absolutely nothing since you have not even seen the film. On no planet is AOTC better that TLJ. Actually, on this one, according to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic? IT IS. TLJ is the most lowest-rated, worst-received Star Wars film ever. Here on earth. Sorry, stud. Actually, it has a higher RT and MC score than AOTC so thanks for proving my point. Actually, TLJ is one of the best reviewed Star Wars films ever.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 18, 2017 14:41:06 GMT
No. I've only seen the prequels once each in their entirety, and this is right up there with those as far as I'm concerned. I'm curious as to how people who have seen the original trilogy could have enjoyed this garbage. What really has me baffled is how the directors got booted from the Han Solo flick for apparently making it too silly, and yet TLJ exists. It's just dumb. There's barely any plot. "We'll just float here at impulse speed while the First Order inexplicably fails to surround us, for apparently days on end, while you guys go on a side mission to nowhere for nothing." The forced comedy was off the charts terrible. A drunk leprechaun uses BB8 as a slot machine. The fish people with Luke. Luke with one liners. Luke using the term 'laser sword.' It was like a spoof of Star Wars. The cartoonish villains. Was there ever a time in the OT where imperial officers were played as buffoons? A laser battering ram? If you can destroy ships by flying through them at hyperspace, why didn't the Rebellion do that ages ago?! Why didn't they do it to the Death Star or at least a few Star Destroyers? Why didn't the First Order fly a ship at hyperspace into the Rebel stronghold at the end? The idea that Luke would even consider killing his nephew in his sleep because he thought he was a bad egg. He turned Darth Vader for Christ's sake. Superleia flying through space. Finn calling Phasma 'chrome dome.' Why did Benicio Del Toro talk like Roger Rabbit? As a Star Wars fan I'm simply blown away at the amount of dumb ideas run amok throughout this 'script.' I like that Rey is nobody; but it's a lame 'twist' to build that mystery over two full films and have it ultimately mean nothing. They could've told us she was nobody right off the bat. We didn't know Luke was Vader's son and we still invested in him back in the day. There's just no point. It's another example of filler, just like the side mission to Space Monte Carlo which netted them nothing in the end. It was just there to take up empty space in the story. Who was Snoke? Who cares, because he's dead now. I guess there was no longer room for an Emperor stand-in now that we're going to focus on a love triangle between Rey, Finn and arguably the worst Star Wars character ever created. Is Rose supposed to be mentally handicapped, because that's how she came across. She was like an 8 year old trapped in an adult's body. She's the new Jar Jar as far as I'm concerned. There were no stakes in this film. The Resistance is apparently 15 ships, not a confederation of star systems like in the OT. Likewise, the First Order is like 5 huge ships with no apparent HQ. And they go out of their way to show arms dealers are supplying both sides as if that's the only reason for the conflict. Or is it the only reason for the conflict, I just don't know anymore. And boy am I glad they added that commentary about animal cruelty, that was needed here. Let me try to find some positives. I still enjoy Rey, Finn and Poe as characters, I just felt like the writing let them down in this film. Mark Hamill's character was hilarious, too bad that wasn't Luke Skywalker. While the hyperspace kamikaze was nonsensical, cinematically it was a great moment. I didn't love the back-to-back light saber hamfest (and I don't understand why Kylo didn't just use the force to kill them all) but I appreciate an attempt to do a different kind of action sequence in Star Wars. Look, I thought it was a bad movie but I do think they can course correct. Hopefully the poor audience ratings (and I can only hope poor box office legs [by Star Wars standards] will get their attention) force the studio to go for something different next time. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, but I don't want that style in this universe. These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. The cheesiness was the charm of the OT, it's the wrong thing to channel if you're trying to resuscitate the franchise. 40 years ago you rolled with it when Leia used terms like laser brain or flyboy. Here it's just awful. Same goes for the bad acting you mentioned. Audiences have evolved, the rules for writing have to adapt for the times. You know how I know I'm right? The audience scores for this film. You didn't mention my biggest complaint: The lack of an actual story. Seriously, the First Order just follows them for days on end without using any battle strategy while other characters meet CGI muppets in a casino. The movie isn't about anything at all. There's nothing there. You don't see the irony in your argument about nostalgia. Nostalgia is what fuels your defense of this film, not my attack on it. You think a movie released in 2017 should play by the same rules as one released in 1977. Your defense of the poor quality of this film is, "Well the other ones were bad too, so if you liked it when you were 6, you should like the same stuff when it's repackaged decades later." Ultimately, the film simply shouldn't exist. Don't bother making it if you can't think of anything clever to update it or make it interesting again. Channeling the inner cheesiness and ramping up the forced humor to 11 is not the way to make your mark on a franchise, the modern audience (those of us NOT living in the past) has spoken. It's like Blade Runner 2049. I don't hate it, I just find it unnecessary. Don't keep the story going if you can't do anything memorable with the material.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:46:09 GMT
Actually, on this one, according to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic? IT IS. TLJ is the most lowest-rated, worst-received Star Wars film ever. Here on earth. Sorry, stud. Actually, it has a higher RT and MC score than AOTC so thanks for proving my point. Actually, TLJ is one of the best reviewed Star Wars films ever. I'm talking about the audience scores, you troll. Not the critical scores Disney paid for. Everyone knows the PEOPLE'S voice is what counts. And yeah, they hate TLJ.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 14:51:16 GMT
These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. The cheesiness was the charm of the OT, it's the wrong thing to channel if you're trying to resuscitate the franchise. 40 years ago you rolled with it when Leia used terms like laser brain or flyboy. Here it's just awful. Same goes for the bad acting you mentioned. Audiences have evolved, the rules for writing have to adapt for the times. You know how I know I'm right? The audience scores for this film. You didn't mention my biggest complaint: The lack of an actual story. Seriously, the First Order just follows them for days on end without using any battle strategy while other characters meet CGI muppets in a casino. The movie isn't about anything at all. There's nothing there. You don't see the irony in your argument about nostalgia. Nostalgia is what fuels your defense of this film, not my attack on it. You think a movie released in 2017 should play by the same rules as one released in 1977. Your defense of the poor quality of this film is, "Well the other ones were bad too, so if you liked it when you were 6, you should like the same stuff when it's repackaged decades later." Ultimately, the film simply shouldn't exist. Don't bother making it if you can't think of anything clever to update it or make it interesting again. Channeling the inner cheesiness and ramping up the forced humor to 11 is not the way to make your mark on a franchise, the modern audience (those of us NOT living in the past) has spoken. It's like Blade Runner 2049. I don't hate it, I just find it unnecessary. Don't keep the story going if you can't do anything memorable with the material. My biggest/main criticism of the ST and Disney's Star Wars movies in general. They literally announced the DAY THEY ACQUIRED LUCASFILM they were just arbitrarily going to make VII, VIII, and IX. I've honestly hated them from Day fucking One because of this. Disney: you have, as a studio, the biggest ace up your sleeve in the history of Hollywood, and you... blow it? Badly? And nobody notices or cares until 2017? They got off lucky/light. Force Awakens is literally what it looks like when you green light a movie without a fucking organic reason to tell a story or even a god damn outline (much less a script), and this is what happens when you saddle a director, in this case Johnson, with such a shitty setup the motherfucker has basically nowhere to go, narratively. The ST is "running out of gas," because it was built on a foundation of fucking sand and greed and people are starting to notice that awful smell in the room.
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