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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 18, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. Well said and completely correct DSDSquared. Your assessment of Star Wars movies in general is spot on. These movies were always cheesy popcorn films that could be enjoyed by all ages. It's largely based on 1940's movie serials for goodness sake. These professional complainers on the internet have forgotten how to enjoy a movie. This is a very enjoyable film and a great new chapter in the ongoing saga.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 18, 2017 15:07:50 GMT
The cheesiness was the charm of the OT, it's the wrong thing to channel if you're trying to resuscitate the franchise. 40 years ago you rolled with it when Leia used terms like laser brain or flyboy. Here it's just awful. Same goes for the bad acting you mentioned. Audiences have evolved, the rules for writing have to adapt for the times. You know how I know I'm right? The audience scores for this film. You didn't mention my biggest complaint: The lack of an actual story. Seriously, the First Order just follows them for days on end without using any battle strategy while other characters meet CGI muppets in a casino. The movie isn't about anything at all. There's nothing there. You don't see the irony in your argument about nostalgia. Nostalgia is what fuels your defense of this film, not my attack on it. You think a movie released in 2017 should play by the same rules as one released in 1977. Your defense of the poor quality of this film is, "Well the other ones were bad too, so if you liked it when you were 6, you should like the same stuff when it's repackaged decades later." Ultimately, the film simply shouldn't exist. Don't bother making it if you can't think of anything clever to update it or make it interesting again. Channeling the inner cheesiness and ramping up the forced humor to 11 is not the way to make your mark on a franchise, the modern audience (those of us NOT living in the past) has spoken. It's like Blade Runner 2049. I don't hate it, I just find it unnecessary. Don't keep the story going if you can't do anything memorable with the material. My biggest/main criticism of the ST and Disney's Star Wars movies in general. They literally announced the DAY THEY ACQUIRED LUCASFILM they were just arbitrarily going to make VII, VIII, and IX. I've honestly hated them from Day fucking One because of this. Disney: you have, as a studio, the biggest ace up your sleeve in the history of Hollywood, and you... blow it? Badly? And nobody notices or cares until 2017? They got off lucky/light. Force Awakens is literally what it looks like when you green light a movie without a fucking organic reason to tell a story or even a god damn outline (much less a script), and this is what happens when you saddle a director, in this case Johnson, with such a shitty setup the motherfucker has basically nowhere to go, narratively. The ST is "running out of gas," because it was built on a foundation of fucking sand and greed and people are starting to notice that awful smell in the room. You're dead on. I actually defended TFA when it first came out despite its flaws. Then I rewatched it a year ago and realized how generic it actually was. It's like Jurassic World. It tries to recreate the formula of the original but it focuses on the wrong elements and what you end up with is a soulless, brainless simulacrum of the original. There are interesting places you can take the Star Wars universe, please don't start off with a checklist of things to import from previous installments. I loved Rogue One because it gave us an on-the-ground look at the rebellion with new characters and a new perspective. The worst part about it? Easily the Vader fan service scenes. TFA and TLJ are nothing but fan service and its tedious to watch. I can't believe they aren't confident that the SW brand itself will sell tickets; they feel it's necessary to force feed us hero moments of every character and rehash the same ideas time and again.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 18, 2017 15:18:16 GMT
These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. Well said and completely correct DSDSquared. Your assessment of Star Wars movies in general is spot on. These movies were always cheesy popcorn films that could be enjoyed by all ages. It's largely based on 1940's movie serials for goodness sake. These professional complainers on the internet have forgotten how to enjoy a movie. This is a very enjoyable film and a great new chapter in the ongoing saga. My response to him was spot on. "You liked this corny stuff forty years ago, why don't you like it now?" is a terrible argument. I'll ask again. Is there an example of Imperial officers played as buffoons in the OT? Hux is the comic relief in this film. Luke is the comic relief. Everyone is the comic relief, all the time. When I talk about movies online, easily 90% of that time is talking about movies I enjoy. People aren't 'professional complainers' because they don't share your opinion. I can give you my top ten films for 2017 and you can either agree or disagree but I certainly haven't "forgotten how to enjoy a movie," simply because my taste is not identical to yours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:36:15 GMT
These complaints, while valid, make no sense in relation to the rest of the Star Wars movies. Star Wars has always been somewhat poorly written and full of cheese (Anakin, Ewoks, Jar Jar, Luke's power converters, etc). I still love the films, the lore, and the world that has been created so I watch them anyway. Still, the complaints make no sense to me. Go back and watch A New Hope. I love the movie and have seen it a hundred times. Still, how much of it is terribly written and acted? I will give you a hint, a lot. Luke is especially terrible in ANH. His acting is hilariously bad. We put up with it though because the movie was fun and very well done for the budget and the time it came out. I know for 100% certainty that if ANH came out today, then people would be killing it worse than this. Times change and nostalgia is a hell of a thing and I am only talking about generally one of the best Star Wars movies in ANH. Do not even get me started on the prequels. This movie also had its cheesy moments, but it was probably shot and acted better than any previous Star Wars film and Kylo actually had depth, unlike many Star Wars characters. The bar has been raised so far for Star Wars now that every new movie gets trashed when, in reality, they are just as good as the old ones. Well said and completely correct DSDSquared. Your assessment of Star Wars movies in general is spot on. These movies were always cheesy popcorn films that could be enjoyed by all ages. It's largely based on 1940's movie serials for goodness sake. These professional complainers on the internet have forgotten how to enjoy a movie. This is a very enjoyable film and a great new chapter in the ongoing saga. You're just not on the same level of fandom as I am if you think SW is a collection of cheesy popcorn films. This puts your opinion on the same level of gravitas as my step-dad who constantly says when asked about SW: "that first one was good" or "I like the action!"
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 19, 2017 3:34:28 GMT
I'll watch it in the spring when it starts streaming via on-demand.
Just as TFA, I've only watched theatrically & initial streaming release.
Rogue One I have on blu & have watched 5-6x times already.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 19, 2017 12:26:55 GMT
Well said and completely correct DSDSquared. Your assessment of Star Wars movies in general is spot on. These movies were always cheesy popcorn films that could be enjoyed by all ages. It's largely based on 1940's movie serials for goodness sake. These professional complainers on the internet have forgotten how to enjoy a movie. This is a very enjoyable film and a great new chapter in the ongoing saga. My response to him was spot on. "You liked this corny stuff forty years ago, why don't you like it now?" is a terrible argument. I'll ask again. Is there an example of Imperial officers played as buffoons in the OT? Hux is the comic relief in this film. Luke is the comic relief. Everyone is the comic relief, all the time. When I talk about movies online, easily 90% of that time is talking about movies I enjoy. People aren't 'professional complainers' because they don't share your opinion. I can give you my top ten films for 2017 and you can either agree or disagree but I certainly haven't "forgotten how to enjoy a movie," simply because my taste is not identical to yours. Your response makes sense, but this is not some think piece or award chaser, it is Star Wars. We see these movies to have fun. They are supposed to be a spectacle and this movie succeeded at that. I had fun in the theater at least. I just do not agree with you. Most people on this very message board say that The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars film and I have to call bull. How is a movie written and acted better than most of, if not all of, the other Star Wars movies be the worst one? Is it supposed to be deep now? They never were. They are fun movies made for all ages and this exceeded expectations to me on that front. As I stated, it had the best space battle ever put on screen in the first 15 minutes of the movie. This movie was fun and entertaining for any age and that is the entire point of this franchise. It is not The Godfather; it is freaking Star Wars for crying out loud.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 12:38:50 GMT
Well said and completely correct DSDSquared. Your assessment of Star Wars movies in general is spot on. These movies were always cheesy popcorn films that could be enjoyed by all ages. It's largely based on 1940's movie serials for goodness sake. These professional complainers on the internet have forgotten how to enjoy a movie. This is a very enjoyable film and a great new chapter in the ongoing saga. You're just not on the same level of fandom as I am if you think SW is a collection of cheesy popcorn films. This puts your opinion on the same level of gravitas as my step-dad who constantly says when asked about SW: "that first one was good" or "I like the action!" Level of fandom... What a load of bull. You read all the books and seen all the cartoons and played all the games and read every comic, has the statuettes and all the action figures and spaceships and a real lightsaber ("real") Me too. Am I a bigger fan than a 10 year old kid that has 3 or 4 action figures? NO he is the bigger fan.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 19, 2017 13:18:44 GMT
My response to him was spot on. "You liked this corny stuff forty years ago, why don't you like it now?" is a terrible argument. I'll ask again. Is there an example of Imperial officers played as buffoons in the OT? Hux is the comic relief in this film. Luke is the comic relief. Everyone is the comic relief, all the time. When I talk about movies online, easily 90% of that time is talking about movies I enjoy. People aren't 'professional complainers' because they don't share your opinion. I can give you my top ten films for 2017 and you can either agree or disagree but I certainly haven't "forgotten how to enjoy a movie," simply because my taste is not identical to yours. Your response makes sense, but this is not some think piece or award chaser, it is Star Wars. We see these movies to have fun. They are supposed to be a spectacle and this movie succeeded at that. I had fun in the theater at least. I just do not agree with you. Most people on this very message board say that The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars film and I have to call bull. How is a movie written and acted better than most of, if not all of, the other Star Wars movies be the worst one? Is it supposed to be deep now? They never were. They are fun movies made for all ages and this exceeded expectations to me on that front. As I stated, it had the best space battle ever put on screen in the first 15 minutes of the movie. This movie was fun and entertaining for any age and that is the entire point of this franchise. It is not The Godfather; it is freaking Star Wars for crying out loud. I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 13:21:57 GMT
Your response makes sense, but this is not some think piece or award chaser, it is Star Wars. We see these movies to have fun. They are supposed to be a spectacle and this movie succeeded at that. I had fun in the theater at least. I just do not agree with you. Most people on this very message board say that The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars film and I have to call bull. How is a movie written and acted better than most of, if not all of, the other Star Wars movies be the worst one? Is it supposed to be deep now? They never were. They are fun movies made for all ages and this exceeded expectations to me on that front. As I stated, it had the best space battle ever put on screen in the first 15 minutes of the movie. This movie was fun and entertaining for any age and that is the entire point of this franchise. It is not The Godfather; it is freaking Star Wars for crying out loud. I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining. Yeah, the audience score was manipulated by haters so yeah. Good job.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 19, 2017 13:31:33 GMT
Your response makes sense, but this is not some think piece or award chaser, it is Star Wars. We see these movies to have fun. They are supposed to be a spectacle and this movie succeeded at that. I had fun in the theater at least. I just do not agree with you. Most people on this very message board say that The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars film and I have to call bull. How is a movie written and acted better than most of, if not all of, the other Star Wars movies be the worst one? Is it supposed to be deep now? They never were. They are fun movies made for all ages and this exceeded expectations to me on that front. As I stated, it had the best space battle ever put on screen in the first 15 minutes of the movie. This movie was fun and entertaining for any age and that is the entire point of this franchise. It is not The Godfather; it is freaking Star Wars for crying out loud. I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining. Fair enough, but you brought up Empire, which is generally regarded as one of the best movies ever made and the best Star Wars film easily. Compare TLJ to Return, or Phantom, or AOTC, or TFA. How do those movies have any more depth than this? I also really enjoyed Rogue One. I will have to see this one again before I can truly judge it. I really enjoyed TFA when I saw it opening night in IMAX, but less on subsequent viewings. Maybe I will feel the same about this. I do not know that yet, but I do know I have a great time watching it the first time.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 13:33:49 GMT
I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining. Fair enough, but you brought up Empire, which is generally regarded as one of the best movies ever made and the best Star Wars film easily. Compare TLJ to Return, or Phantom, or AOTC, or TFA. How do those movies have any more depth than this? I also really enjoyed Rogue One. I will have to see this one again before I can truly judge it. I really enjoyed TFA when I saw it opening night in IMAX, but less on subsequent viewings. Maybe I will feel the same about this. I do not know that yet, but I do know I have a great time watching it the first time. Can´t say about you but I enjoyed it even more the second time, so did the people with me from 50 somethings to 10 year olds.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 19, 2017 13:35:29 GMT
I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining. Yeah, the audience score was manipulated by haters so yeah. Good job. How about Mark Hamill, is he a hater too? Am I a hater because I didn't like the movie despite being a huge Star Wars fan? Grow up already.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 13:36:44 GMT
Yeah, the audience score was manipulated by haters so yeah. Good job. How about Mark Hamill, is he a hater too? Am I a hater because I didn't like the movie despite being a huge Star Wars fan? Grow up already. www.thisisinsider.com/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-rotten-tomatoes-bots-2017-12I meant really manipulated, i don't care if you like it or not, or even Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford (that asked to be killed of, i think he was not a huge fan)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 19, 2017 13:43:42 GMT
I just think there's a difference between the OT and the forced humor in this one. The audience scores tell me I'm not alone, and Mark Hamill himself came out and said he disagreed with everything they did with his character in this film, long before it was even released. If anyone knows Star Wars, it's Mark Hamill. I'm not in my parents basement pounding on a keyboard here. TLJ didn't 'ruin my childhood' or whatever. I didn't like the movie, but I'm not sending hate letters to Rian Johnson. You're free to love the flick, I'm just surprised more people aren't at least acknowledging the differences between the OT an TLJ. Rian Johnson himself knows it's a divisive film for going in a more comedic direction, I heard him talk about it on a podcast yesterday. I also disagree with you that they were never deep. That's a broad statement. ESB has legitimate emotional stakes, particularly at the end. You're right, they were never The Godfather; but there are films that fall between mindless action and The Godfather. For example: Rogue One. If this is the direction SW is going, maybe the franchise has passed me by. But something tells me there will be SW movies to enjoy in the future. I don't want them rehashing the OT, I'm sure they can make a movie with a brain and a soul. Rogue One is proof of how great this franchise can be when making bold choices with new characters. It doesn't always have to be a comedy routine to be entertaining. Fair enough, but you brought up Empire, which is generally regarded as one of the best movies ever made and the best Star Wars film easily. Compare TLJ to Return, or Phantom, or AOTC, or TFA. How do those movies have any more depth than this? I also really enjoyed Rogue One. I will have to see this one again before I can truly judge it. I really enjoyed TFA when I saw it opening night in IMAX, but less on subsequent viewings. Maybe I will feel the same about this. I do not know that yet, but I do know I have a great time watching it the first time. That was also my experience with TFA (well I didn't see it in IMAX), loved it in the theater even though it felt like a rehash; liked it considerably less when I rewatched it at home. It has its moments but there's a lot to dislike. Hey if you liked TLJ, I hope you keep digging it in the future. I'm not trying to bring anyone down here. It just didn't work for me.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 19, 2017 13:46:57 GMT
That would mean more to me if the person I saw it with (who is the biggest Star Wars fan I know) didn't absolutely hate it. If you think I'm being negative, you should hear him talk about TLJ. I'm not the only person on this site who didn't like the movie, either. But yeah, we're all just bots. There are four people in the world who didn't like TLJ and we're ruining it for everyone.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
That would mean more to me if the person I saw it with (who is the biggest Star Wars fan I know) didn't absolutely hate it. If you think I'm being negative, you should hear him talk about TLJ. I'm not the only person on this site who didn't like the movie, either. But yeah, we're all just bots. There are four people in the world who didn't like TLJ and we're ruining it for everyone. That's not what i'm saying. Quite the oposite. I've had really fun conversations with haters in these same forum. But something is afoot. And your expereience is opposite of mine, the biggest fans i saw it with absolutely loved it. I'm just saying some haters (and there are plenty, nothing wrong with that) just went the extra mile of hatefulness. Weird, sad people.
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 14:24:15 GMT
That would mean more to me if the person I saw it with (who is the biggest Star Wars fan I know) didn't absolutely hate it. If you think I'm being negative, you should hear him talk about TLJ. I'm not the only person on this site who didn't like the movie, either. But yeah, we're all just bots. There are four people in the world who didn't like TLJ and we're ruining it for everyone. That's not what i'm saying. Quite the oposite. I've had really fun conversations with haters in these same forum. But something is afoot. And your expereience is opposite of mine, the biggest fans i saw it with absolutely loved it. I'm just saying some haters (and there are plenty, nothing wrong with that) just went the extra mile of hatefulness. Weird, sad people. Angry Joe has 2.9 million subscribers on Youtube...he and his friends disliked it. When I watched, 34k people gave the video a thumbs up, only 7k a thumbs down. He actually liked TFA. So, isn't it possible, that this film truly is divisive? Just read the RT reviews, if bots are that good that they can make paragraph long reviews that are very different from one to the other, what a time we live in!
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
That's not what i'm saying. Quite the oposite. I've had really fun conversations with haters in these same forum. But something is afoot. And your expereience is opposite of mine, the biggest fans i saw it with absolutely loved it. I'm just saying some haters (and there are plenty, nothing wrong with that) just went the extra mile of hatefulness. Weird, sad people. Angry Joe has 2.9 million subscribers on Youtube...he and his friends disliked it. When I watched, 34k people gave the video a thumbs up, only 7k a thumbs down. He actually liked TFA. So, isn't it possible, that this film truly is divisive? Just read the RT reviews, if bots are that good that they can make paragraph long reviews that are very different from one to the other, what a time we live in! no, it's divisive no questions about that. Angry Joe gave it a 7. And he disliked it. A 7. Not a 0, a 7...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:14:55 GMT
You're just not on the same level of fandom as I am if you think SW is a collection of cheesy popcorn films. This puts your opinion on the same level of gravitas as my step-dad who constantly says when asked about SW: "that first one was good" or "I like the action!" Level of fandom... What a load of bull. You read all the books and seen all the cartoons and played all the games and read every comic, has the statuettes and all the action figures and spaceships and a real lightsaber ("real") Me too. Am I a bigger fan than a 10 year old kid that has 3 or 4 action figures? NO he is the bigger fan. This is what cognative dissonance looks like. I didn't say I was a bigger fan than you, your dad or that 10 year old. I said I was a bigger fan than the guy who says they are just fun popcorn films. I think it's self evident.
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 19, 2017 15:18:59 GMT
Yes. I really feel the need to watch it a second time to make a sound judgment about the film.
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