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Post by spooner5020 on Dec 18, 2017 11:02:40 GMT
I'm not sure what movie they wanted. With Force Awakens it was too similar to A New Hope. Now it's too different from anything Star Wars has done before.
I saw Last Jedi last night and thought it was fun as hell to watch,and was tons better than Force Awakens. The movie did have its problems,Luke especially. That didn't feel like the same Luke from 4-6. I guess I can understand years have passed from those,but still.
I thought everyone did really well in their parts. Del Toro I didn't think was needed honestly,but he was fine I guess. Rose kind of bugged me. I just didn't think her character was all that interesting and they're adding way too many characters.
In the end I'm not really sure what everyone wanted because it sounds like they are just hating to hate. It's not a perfect movie like I said,but it's not bad like everyone on here makes it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 13:08:29 GMT
Funny, you just repeated some of the very criticism people are making, while saying you don't understand why people didn't like it. "The movie did have its problems." Precisely. The ones you pointed to, and some others. And all this talk about hatred is hyperbole. Yeah, I didn't like that much a movie I saw. Big deal. That's not hatred. So, when people are not crazy about a movie like you are, you call them haters? Understanding and tolerance for others' opinions are not your fortes...
Of this modern batch, the one I really like is Rogue One. Both TFA and TLJ have too many problems for my taste.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 18, 2017 14:49:55 GMT
I understand what you're saying about people complaining that The Force Awakens was to similar and now this one is too different, but I do think The Force Awakens was a lot better. This movie was too long and was flat for quite some time. It wasn't bad, I think some of the haters are overreacting way too much, but the critics are way off base too. I thought it was okay, but definitely my least favorite of the new ones.
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Post by spooner5020 on Dec 18, 2017 17:16:20 GMT
I'm not saying the haters were wrong. I'm just saying it's silly when they're making criticisms like it's too similar or it's too different. Fact of the matter is,FANS DO NOT KNOW WHST THEY WANT!!! There's never going to be a perfect Star Wars movie,there's never going to be a perfect sequel. Just accept the movie for what it is without trying to judge it as a sequel.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 18, 2017 17:27:31 GMT
spooner5020I agree with you. Much of the complaints on the internet go far beyond making a fair critique and have crossed the line into irrational hatred. It's not the fact that they bring up things that they perceive to be weaknesses in the film but the fact that they then take the leap into things like "this is a horrible movie, a pile of cr@p, this has killed Star Wars, Disney is evil, yada yada yada."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
I'm not saying the haters were wrong. I'm just saying it's silly when they're making criticisms like it's too similar or it's too different. Fact of the matter is,FANS DO NOT KNOW WHST THEY WANT!!! There's never going to be a perfect Star Wars movie,there's never going to be a perfect sequel. Just accept the movie for what it is without trying to judge it as a sequel. But maybe it's not the same fans who are complaining that it is too different when they earlier complained that TFA was too similar. Some people may like it similar, others may like it different. For me, it's not a question of being similar or different, it's a question of TLJ being defective in many ways. Rogue One was fairly similar to the general idea of the franchise but was very good, suspenseful, with good action, compelling characters, poignant ending; just an overall very good movie. This one, meh. I found it predictable, slow, fairly humorless, and just generally dull. Now, it's not that easy to not judge it as a sequel, because, well, it *is* a sequel. It is inevitable to insert this movie into the Star Wars universe and comparisons will naturally happen. For me, TFA and TLJ are better than the three prequels I-II-III, but less good than Rogue One, and way worse than the original trilogy IV-V-VI. For me, the only one that approaches the quality of the original trilogy, is Rogue One. If you want a movie to be judged exclusively on its own merits without any consideration for the context, then you should go watch and review stand-alone movies, because this one most definitely is not a stand-alone and is a sequel. And who said we want perfection? I'm willing to suspend disbelief and get over *some* glitches when I watch a movie as I understand that perfection is very hard to reach, but when there are too many shortcomings, then the enjoyment is not as great.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 18, 2017 17:41:16 GMT
Figured as much. I'll be seeing it tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 17:41:28 GMT
spooner5020 I agree with you. Much of the complaints on the internet go far beyond making a fair critique and have crossed the line into irrational hatred. It's not the fact that they bring up things that they perceive to be weaknesses in the film but the fact that they then take the leap into things like "this is a horrible movie, a pile of cr@p, this has killed Star Wars, Disney is evil, yada yada yada." Yeah, that might qualify as hatred, but it was never what *I* said, and I've read many comments by others who were merely stating the points and parts they didn't like, without crossing into irrational hatred. Now, one thing must be acknowledged. When a huge part of the otherwise franchise-adoring public shows a backlash against a movie, often there are grounds for it, like the backlash against Jar Jar Binks and The Phantom Menace. I think that there aren't many people out there who love this character and think that the movie was the best one in the franchise. So, I strongly suspect that the backlash against The Last Jedi is not groundless, given that it does have a number of problems. Part of the problem at least for me was created by too much expectation. The way these critics went berserk about it with a 95% Rotten Tomatoes score, I was expecting a brilliant masterpiece, but it is anything but. I found myself looking at my watch several times and thinking "gosh, I wish this will end already, I want to go back home and watch the NFL" (I attended a Sunday morning screening). I don't recall it happening with other Star Wars movies, even with some of the worst ones. This movie was boring in many long stretches. Do I think that I wasted the price of admission and three hours of my time (2hours 33 minutes running time + trailers)? No. It did also have some good parts. But was I disappointed? Absolutely.
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Post by spooner5020 on Dec 18, 2017 18:15:10 GMT
Also someone please answer me this. How can Disney ruin Star Wars? They're not throwing Disney characters in and they're not doing musical numbers. In fact with the past few movies I totally forgot they were Disney movies. So how is Disney ruining Star Wars?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 18, 2017 19:18:09 GMT
I'm not sure what movie they wanted. With Force Awakens it was too similar to A New Hope. Now it's too different from anything Star Wars has done before. This is my complaint, but with a different angle. TFA was too much like A New Hope plot-wise, but the feel and look was that of a Star Wars movie, which was perfectly fine. Then TLJ was (mostly) unique and new in its plotline, but it didn't have the look or feel of a Star Wars movie. They just need to hit that middle ground. In fact, there were several moments (the interior of the Resistance carrier, the talk of fuel, the "lightspeed" travel, and some of the space imagery) that looked and felt more like a Star Trek movie.
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Post by swimm on Dec 18, 2017 19:48:55 GMT
I'm not saying the haters were wrong. I'm just saying it's silly when they're making criticisms like it's too similar or it's too different. Fact of the matter is,FANS DO NOT KNOW WHST THEY WANT!!! There's never going to be a perfect Star Wars movie,there's never going to be a perfect sequel. Just accept the movie for what it is without trying to judge it as a sequel. Yeah.Like uh no one is really making that argument for why TLJ sucks. Also, just cause a movie is "different" doesn't make a movie good..The bar has been set low when people who like TLJ simpy cause its "different"
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 18, 2017 19:49:44 GMT
I'm not sure what movie they wanted. With Force Awakens it was too similar to A New Hope. Now it's too different from anything Star Wars has done before. This is my complaint, but with a different angle. TFA was too much like A New Hope plot-wise, but the feel and look was that of a Star Wars movie, which was perfectly fine. Then TLJ was (mostly) unique and new in its plotline, but it didn't have the look or feel of a Star Wars movie. They just need to hit that middle ground. In fact, there were several moments (the interior of the Resistance carrier, the talk of fuel, the "lightspeed" travel, and some of the space imagery) that looked and felt more like a Star Trek movie. It looked and felt like a Star Wars movie to me. I guess everyone sees things differently.
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Post by azzajones on Dec 19, 2017 6:48:42 GMT
I don't think anyone has been complaining the film is too different, rather that's the conclusion supporters of the films are jumping to as why certain people dislike it. Hell, if anything, I think it had too many similarities to previous films, before you ask I'll elaborate: The Reb, ah, Resistance flees from their base and are pursued through space by the Emp, ah, First Order; meanwhile Lu, ah, Rey goes to a distant planet to learn about the Force from a wise old Jedi, who initially refuses to train her before caving and providing lessons. Then we had Snoke who was basically Palpatine 2.0, and who's whole chambers was very ROTJ - alas they could've had him be something different to Palps.
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Post by swimm on Dec 19, 2017 6:53:15 GMT
I don't think anyone has been complaining the film is too different, rather that's the conclusion supporters of the films are jumping to as why certain people dislike it. Hell, if anything, I think it had too many similarities to previous films, before you ask I'll elaborate: The Reb, ah, Resistance flees from their base and are pursued through space by the Emp, ah, First Order; meanwhile Lu, ah, Rey goes to a distant planet to learn about the Force from a wise old Jedi, who initially refuses to train her before caving and providing lessons. Then we had Snoke who was basically Palpatine 2.0, and who's whole chambers was very ROTJ - alas they could've had him be something different to Palps. They are the Rebels again..Theres about 1 or 2 days between TLJ and TFA..Yet some how they became the fucking rebels again in that time span.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 19:47:28 GMT
Funny, you just repeated some of the very criticism people are making, while saying you don't understand why people didn't like it. "The movie did have its problems." Precisely. The ones you pointed to, and some others. And all this talk about hatred is hyperbole. Yeah, I didn't like that much a movie I saw. Big deal. That's not hatred. So, when people are not crazy about a movie like you are, you call them haters? Understanding and tolerance for others' opinions are not your fortes... Of this modern batch, the one I really like is Rogue One. Both TFA and TLJ have too many problems for my taste. Yeah, but the issue is you give a movie a what 5,6 for the effort? 7 maybe? People are voting in droves a zero in RT. Those are haters (or bots) google bots last jedi rotten tomatoes
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 19:49:21 GMT
I don't think anyone has been complaining the film is too different, rather that's the conclusion supporters of the films are jumping to as why certain people dislike it. Hell, if anything, I think it had too many similarities to previous films, before you ask I'll elaborate: The Reb, ah, Resistance flees from their base and are pursued through space by the Emp, ah, First Order; meanwhile Lu, ah, Rey goes to a distant planet to learn about the Force from a wise old Jedi, who initially refuses to train her before caving and providing lessons. Then we had Snoke who was basically Palpatine 2.0, and who's whole chambers was very ROTJ - alas they could've had him be something different to Palps. They are the Rebels again..Theres about 1 or 2 days between TLJ and TFA..Yet some how they became the fucking rebels again in that time span. Seeing as the opening crwal explain the Fist order now rule the galaxy, they are indeed rebels again.
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Post by swimm on Dec 19, 2017 20:28:38 GMT
They are the Rebels again..Theres about 1 or 2 days between TLJ and TFA..Yet some how they became the fucking rebels again in that time span. Seeing as the opening crwal explain the Fist order now rule the galaxy, they are indeed rebels again. Seeing as how its only been 24 hrs, its indeed quite hard to rule the galaxy. Since The First Order would not have control of any republic territories.. Do you even think? Or just accept whatever slop they throw at you?
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Post by swimm on Dec 19, 2017 20:29:24 GMT
Funny, you just repeated some of the very criticism people are making, while saying you don't understand why people didn't like it. "The movie did have its problems." Precisely. The ones you pointed to, and some others. And all this talk about hatred is hyperbole. Yeah, I didn't like that much a movie I saw. Big deal. That's not hatred. So, when people are not crazy about a movie like you are, you call them haters? Understanding and tolerance for others' opinions are not your fortes... Of this modern batch, the one I really like is Rogue One. Both TFA and TLJ have too many problems for my taste. Yeah, but the issue is you give a movie a what 5,6 for the effort? 7 maybe? People are voting in droves a zero in RT. Those are haters (or bots) google bots last jedi rotten tomatoes Or people simply didnt like it.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 20:30:44 GMT
Yeah, but the issue is you give a movie a what 5,6 for the effort? 7 maybe? People are voting in droves a zero in RT. Those are haters (or bots) google bots last jedi rotten tomatoes Or people simply didnt like it. Sure b but a zero?
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Post by swimm on Dec 19, 2017 20:38:33 GMT
Or people simply didnt like it. Sure b but a zero? IMDB score is relatively high yet. They could have spam that well as well..People giving it zeros are quite possible since some people hold the OT very sacred.
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