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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 15:49:20 GMT
While many of his complaints are justified, this review sucks. People just nitpick EVERYTHING today. I can make a review like this about ANY movie ever made. Seriously any one, no matter how good. Also, people keep misinterpreting the Luke/Kylo flashback scene. It makes me think they did not pay attention at all during the film. It is not "the reason Kylo is evil." Agree. TFA novelization compounds this evidence. Snoke began his temptation of Kylo almost from birth. Maybe that reviewer didn't elaborate correctly (or maybe he truly didn't understand) and certainly "child murderer" is hyperbolic, but, speaking for myself, I did understand the scene perfectly well. And the part that I bolded from your quote is still a problem with Luke's character arc. He didn't "look into Vader's soul" in the OT; he witnessed this serial killing maniac slaughter and torture the people he loved the most and yet, by the end of that story, he had evolved into someone was compassionate, forgiving and forever hopeful. One would expect that old age would only increase this benevolent character evolution further. Instead we get grumpy old man Luke who intentionally left his friends on their own, refuses to help when they bust down his door begging for help and then, to top it off, we find out that "looking into Kylo's soul and being shocked by what he saw" led him to a moment of attempted murder, against his own nephew, who, at the time, had yet to do anything wrong. That's not ANH Luke, that's not TESB Luke and it sure as hell isn't ROTJ Luke. So who is it? |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 16:45:00 GMT
From my own personal experience with Star Wars fans (and of course being one myself) as well as the reactions seen on this board, it's clear that the movie is divisive. It isn't just bots downvoting it on the internet, the movie has plenty of genuine detractors, myself included. I've discussed what I don't like about the film enough already, so I'm not getting into it again. But I will say conspiracy theories are the most generic form of denial in a discussion on any subject. It's the reverse of the argument that studio plants are the only reason a particular movie gets favorable reviews. You really don't think it's possible that a lot of people disliked TLJ? My personal dilemma: the two TLJ shirts I bought before seeing the film are too great not to wear ever again. It's going to be awkward when someone inevitably brings up the film while I'm wearing the t-shirt and I have to say, "Oh yeah, it sucked." Yes, but this time there is actual evidence. Especially groups of people on facebook to troll the rating sites. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 16:48:40 GMT
While many of his complaints are justified, this review sucks. People just nitpick EVERYTHING today. I can make a review like this about ANY movie ever made. Seriously any one, no matter how good. Also, people keep misinterpreting the Luke/Kylo flashback scene. It makes me think they did not pay attention at all during the film. It is not "the reason Kylo is evil." Agree. TFA novelization compounds this evidence. Snoke began his temptation of Kylo almost from birth. Maybe that reviewer didn't elaborate correctly (or maybe he truly didn't understand) and certainly "child murderer" is hyperbolic, but, speaking for myself, I did understand the scene perfectly well. And the part that I bolded from your quote is still a problem with Luke's character arc. He didn't "look into Vader's soul" in the OT; he witnessed this serial killing maniac slaughter and torture the people he loved the most and yet, by the end of that story, he had evolved into someone was compassionate, forgiving and forever hopeful. One would expect that old age would only increase this benevolent character evolution further. Instead we get grumpy old man Luke who intentionally left his friends on their own, refuses to help when they bust down his door begging for help and then, to top it off, we find out that "looking into Kylo's soul and being shocked by what he saw" led him to a moment of attempted murder, against his own nephew, who, at the time, had yet to do anything wrong. That's not ANH Luke, that's not TESB Luke and it sure as hell isn't ROTJ Luke. So who is it? It's TLJ luke. Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:01:44 GMT
Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question)  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
From my own personal experience with Star Wars fans (and of course being one myself) as well as the reactions seen on this board, it's clear that the movie is divisive. It isn't just bots downvoting it on the internet, the movie has plenty of genuine detractors, myself included. I've discussed what I don't like about the film enough already, so I'm not getting into it again. But I will say conspiracy theories are the most generic form of denial in a discussion on any subject. It's the reverse of the argument that studio plants are the only reason a particular movie gets favorable reviews. You really don't think it's possible that a lot of people disliked TLJ? My personal dilemma: the two TLJ shirts I bought before seeing the film are too great not to wear ever again. It's going to be awkward when someone inevitably brings up the film while I'm wearing the t-shirt and I have to say, "Oh yeah, it sucked." I'm still proudly going to wear my Plagueis Lives t-shirt. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 20, 2017 17:31:18 GMT
Agree. TFA novelization compounds this evidence. Snoke began his temptation of Kylo almost from birth. Maybe that reviewer didn't elaborate correctly (or maybe he truly didn't understand) and certainly "child murderer" is hyperbolic, but, speaking for myself, I did understand the scene perfectly well. And the part that I bolded from your quote is still a problem with Luke's character arc. He didn't "look into Vader's soul" in the OT; he witnessed this serial killing maniac slaughter and torture the people he loved the most and yet, by the end of that story, he had evolved into someone was compassionate, forgiving and forever hopeful. One would expect that old age would only increase this benevolent character evolution further. Instead we get grumpy old man Luke who intentionally left his friends on their own, refuses to help when they bust down his door begging for help and then, to top it off, we find out that "looking into Kylo's soul and being shocked by what he saw" led him to a moment of attempted murder, against his own nephew, who, at the time, had yet to do anything wrong. That's not ANH Luke, that's not TESB Luke and it sure as hell isn't ROTJ Luke. So who is it? It's TLJ luke. Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question) |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 20, 2017 17:34:10 GMT
While many of his complaints are justified, this review sucks. People just nitpick EVERYTHING today. I can make a review like this about ANY movie ever made. Seriously any one, no matter how good. Also, people keep misinterpreting the Luke/Kylo flashback scene. It makes me think they did not pay attention at all during the film. It is not "the reason Kylo is evil." Agree. TFA novelization compounds this evidence. Snoke began his temptation of Kylo almost from birth. Maybe that reviewer didn't elaborate correctly (or maybe he truly didn't understand) and certainly "child murderer" is hyperbolic, but, speaking for myself, I did understand the scene perfectly well. And the part that I bolded from your quote is still a problem with Luke's character arc. He didn't "look into Vader's soul" in the OT; he witnessed this serial killing maniac slaughter and torture the people he loved the most and yet, by the end of that story, he had evolved into someone was compassionate, forgiving and forever hopeful. One would expect that old age would only increase this benevolent character evolution further. Instead we get grumpy old man Luke who intentionally left his friends on their own, refuses to help when they bust down his door begging for help and then, to top it off, we find out that "looking into Kylo's soul and being shocked by what he saw" led him to a moment of attempted murder, against his own nephew, who, at the time, had yet to do anything wrong. That's not ANH Luke, that's not TESB Luke and it sure as hell isn't ROTJ Luke. So who is it? We also have to understand that Luke is much older here. We do not know him anymore. He was young and, frankly, emotionally immature in the OT. There are many examples of this. I still kind of agree. I can write a long review now that trashes The Last Jedi and all of my points and criticisms will be valid. However, I still really enjoyed the movie. I loved the opening space battle and I really like Driver as Kylo. Is it a 10/10 or anything? Of course not, but none of the movies in this series really are except for maybe Empire. As much as I love A New Hope and have seen it a hundred times, it is not any better than this. They are on the same level from a film standpoint. |
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 20, 2017 17:37:18 GMT
Sure.
55% on RT
4.8/10 on Metacritic
7.8 on Imdb (in the first week despite protective allgorithms!)
Burning dumpster fire on the forums.
Not a backlash against the movie. Must be a troll conspiracy of 200 heinous individuals hating on Star Wars and women (many of them having their home base here).
Believe.
78% from Google users too. but yeah, everybody hated it. |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 20, 2017 17:44:21 GMT
This is why I keep saying that user generated scores on RT and the IMDB are utterly and completely meaningless. So are the user generated reviews--haters are more likely to whine than normal, mentally stable people.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 20, 2017 18:03:30 GMT
This is why I keep saying that user generated scores on RT and the IMDB are utterly and completely meaningless. So are the user generated reviews--haters are more likely to whine than normal, mentally stable people. Agreed, but I'd say the same for RT critical scores as well. People need to get away from this obsession with online ratings and decide for themselves what they want out of a movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 18:15:20 GMT
It's TLJ luke. Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question) Not to mention his best friend, who also perished at Vader's hands. I suppose it's likely that Luke didn't know at the time it was Vader, but he still watched it happen. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 18:37:00 GMT
Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question) LOL! That's the perfect response to that question! This is when you do a face plant and start looking in another direction for a conversation. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 20, 2017 18:38:05 GMT
So apparently there's a "movement" to bring down the rotten tomatoes audience score (and other sites) with bots and socks Oh, look, you're full of shit: "Fandango’s Vice President of Communications and Rotten Tomatoes spokesperson Dana Benson has now come out and verified the authenticity of the audience score in an interview with Forbes, saying the film ratings site goes to great lengths in order to ensure the authenticity of their scores:
“We have several teams of security, network, and social database experts who constantly monitor reviews and ratings to ensure that they are genuine. They haven’t seen anything unusual with The Last Jedi, except that there has been an uptick in the number of written user reviews submitted.
Aside from that, everything is normal and we don’t see any unusual activity. We looked at The Last Jedi compared to other blockbusters and it has been consistent with those past films. We’ve been working around the clock to get the numbers right.
Authenticity is very important to us. We have security teams, network teams, database teams who work so hard, it’s a little disheartening for them to see people make such [accusatory] claims without knowing the facts.”
Benson adds that the latest Star Wars film has received a ‘comparable number of reviews to The Force Awakens’ at the same point in the film’s cycle. “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” is now playing in cinemas." |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 18:54:38 GMT
It's TLJ luke. Anyway i don't recall Vader murdering anyone in front of Luke. Who was it? (genuine question) LOL Forgot about that. It was one guy he knew 10 minutes pffffft |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 20, 2017 18:58:19 GMT
LOL Forgot about that. It was one guy he knew 10 minutes pffffft Ah, so you're trolling. Thanks, it's been fun. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:00:16 GMT
LOL Forgot about that. It was one guy he knew 10 minutes pffffft Ah, so you're trolling. Thanks, it's been fun. Calm down, i'm not trolling. I'm actually embarassed for not remembering that scene. (diversion with humor, tough crowd...) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 19:50:28 GMT
LOL Forgot about that. It was one guy he knew 10 minutes pffffft  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 19:53:48 GMT
Ah, so you're trolling. Thanks, it's been fun. Calm down, i'm not trolling. I'm actually embarassed for not remembering that scene. (diversion with humor, tough crowd...)  |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:53:57 GMT
LOL Forgot about that. It was one guy he knew 10 minutes pffffft HAHA yeah it was pretty stupid of me, but i swear couldn't remember anyone! |
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