|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Dec 20, 2017 12:33:24 GMT
If we applied the modern mindset to the old Trilogy:
"This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess."
"Plus uuuhhhh I don’t think humans can survive in the arctic overnight with just a coat or some animal intestines. It’s called Biology 101."
"And since when can smugglers use lightsabers??"
"Oh and I guess now we have ghosts in this universe too. Ugh. To make no mention of the tiny insane frog person who’s apparently the galaxy’s GREATEST JEDI MASTER?! Gimme a break."
"And while Luke is training, Han and Leia (who have NO IMPACT on the overall plot) get captured in like two seconds, so when Luke goes to rescue them, he’s done his massive grand Jedi training in, what, forty-eight hours?! Makes no sense."
"And don’t even get me started on this “I am your father” horseshit. A whole entire galaxy and Vader JUST HAPPENED to be passing over his freaking ESTRANGED SON’S home planet when he lost the Death Star plans one movie earlier??? SMH."
"And OHMYGOD the ultimate cheap-ass-machina when Leia just kinda INTUITS they should turn around and go pick up dangling Luke. The franchise has officially jumped the shark. Hoping Marquand can turn it around for Episode VI, but I’m not holding my breath."
|
|
|
|
Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 12:43:51 GMT
Pretty much on the point.
I would also add:
What's the deal with the emperor? who is he?
How come a super star destroyer navigate an asteroid field without sustaining damage?
And yoda, what a disapointment! he should be uber jedi and have a lightsaber and all that shit. He's just a puppet... Lame
|
|
|
|
Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 20, 2017 13:24:06 GMT
If we applied the modern mindset to the old Trilogy: "This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess." "Plus uuuhhhh I don’t think humans can survive in the arctic overnight with just a coat or some animal intestines. It’s called Biology 101." "And since when can smugglers use lightsabers??" "Oh and I guess now we have ghosts in this universe too. Ugh. To make no mention of the tiny insane frog person who’s apparently the galaxy’s GREATEST JEDI MASTER?! Gimme a break." "And while Luke is training, Han and Leia (who have NO IMPACT on the overall plot) get captured in like two seconds, so when Luke goes to rescue them, he’s done his massive grand Jedi training in, what, forty-eight hours?! Makes no sense." "And don’t even get me started on this “I am your father” horseshit. A whole entire galaxy and Vader JUST HAPPENED to be passing over his freaking ESTRANGED SON’S home planet when he lost the Death Star plans one movie earlier??? SMH." "And OHMYGOD the ultimate cheap-ass-machina when Leia just kinda INTUITS they should turn around and go pick up dangling Luke. The franchise has officially jumped the shark. Hoping Marquand can turn it around for Episode VI, but I’m not holding my breath." Trying really really hard to draw false equivalences of nitpicks, or something like that, eh? 1) The Empire WAS affected. It doesn't have the Death Star anymore. 2) Han also dug a underground shelter. It wasn't just a coat and intestines. Its good enough. 3) I'm so tired of this pop-up argument. Han didn't "use" a lightsaber like a Force User. You don't have to be one to turn it on and wave it around cautiously. 4) The Force is mystical. Obi-wan also talked to him in ghost form back in ANH, which establishes it. 5) You are trying too hard. You make it sound like he was finished training forever. He wasn't. Thats why he got schooled and had to go back after that. 6) Luke is a main character and a Jedi. His father was a Jedi. Obi-wan said Vader killed his father. Turns out Vader is his father. Movies tend to have stuff and twists happen to a main character and revolve around them a bit. And if coincidences never got to happen, we wouldn't have any movies. 7) Luke reached out to Leia through the Force. A caveman could figure that out and believe it. |
|
|
|
Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 20, 2017 13:28:29 GMT
Pretty much on the point. I would also add: What's the deal with the emperor? who is he? How come a super star destroyer navigate an asteroid field without sustaining damage? And yoda, what a disapointment! he should be uber jedi and have a lightsaber and all that shit. He's just a puppet... Lame 1) The Emperor is the Emperor. Apparently he is Vader's master. He must be powerful. 2) Because its a big ship? Because its shields are that good? Nitpicky and irrelevant. 3) Yoda is uber. He trained Jedi for 800 years. He can lift a X-Wing and tell Luke "Do you even lift bro?". Perhaps he doesn't need a "crude matter" lightsaber to be all that shit. Judge him by his size, do you? |
|
|
|
Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 20, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
Lol, I like the movie, but this is a pretty poorly thought through parody of criticism showing fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying issues.
The criticism of TLJ is on many writing levels, reaching from blatant plot holes, plot redundancies to lore contradictions and poor storytelling, most of the latter was already ingrained in TFA.
But why would flaws in Empire even make flaws in TLJ any better? That's a silly assumtion to begin with, especially considering how poorly concocted your Empire criticisms are.
Let's take this as the only one that relates to TLJ too: "This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess."
Said no one ever, because it's stupid. Also, it reveals how poor the ST worldbuilding and/or your comprehension of it is. First, you assume Empire and FO are the same, because of rehash, right? Kind of right but utterly wrong: TESB plays years after ANH, while TLJ plays immediately after TFA. Apart from this: The galactic Empire is the ruler of the galaxy, so it is no surprise they can chase the rebels. The FO is not, the New Republic rules the galaxy, the FO is just...whatever it is, it's not even explained.
But the makers of these films hope you are just just too dumb to question that, well some are and question those who question it...
|
|
|
|
Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 13:40:40 GMT
If we applied the modern mindset to the old Trilogy: "This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess." So let's get started. Nobody thought that it was strange that the Empire was still around and didn't collapse when the Death Star was destroyed because of several factors. - Darth Vader survived. There was a reference to the Emperor in ANH and we knew he wasn't on the Death Star. So the top 2 bad guys in the Empire are still around. It's very plausible that they would want revenge and would mount a counterattack. Which leads to the next point... - There was a big offscreen time gap between the end of ANH and the beginning of TESB. So it's plausible that during that time period the Empire could've been turning the tide of the war and recovering from the setback of the Death Star being destroyed. In the Sequel Trilogy there is no such offscreen gap in time between the end of TFA and the beginning of TLJ. The First Order goes from being an invading faction from the Unknown Region that blew up the capitol and attacked a few "soft spots" in the New Republic... to instantly controlling the entire galaxy! Which brings me to my next point... - In ANH the Empire was the ruling faction that controlled the entire galaxy, and had already been in that position for almost 20 years. So there power, control, and military forces were already spread throughout the galaxy. That made it very plausible that they could have forces elsewhere that could regroup after the Death Star was destroyed. In the ST the First Order is a small invading faction that has been confined to one isolated and undesirable part of the galaxy. But they instantly have the military force large enough to control the entire galaxy. And they instantly have it in place after the end of TFA (even though TLJ instantly picked up right where TFA left off). And they instantly have control over all of these areas without encountering one battle. LOL You kids need to stop watching so much Disney. It's ruining your abilities to discern quality storytelling. And it's turning your brains to mush. Yeah! To think you think the chances of surviving an overnight blizzard jammed up against the huge carcass of animals hot intestines... is just as slim and remote as surviving an explosion that instantly leaves you in the cold dead of space unconscious... shows how stupid you are and how utterly little you know about science and biology. Oh, and one more thing. Luke didn't spend the entire night out in the open up against Taun-taun guts. If you had been paying attention you would've noticed that Han Solo started building a shelter to get both of them protection from the elements. They never showed the completion onscreen to advance the story. (Who wants to see 2 guys huddled up a shelter overnight for hours?) Han picked it up and turned it on! It's not like Kylo Ren stepped out of the blizzard and said "THAT LIGHTSABER BELONGS TO ME!" And then Han engaged in a duel with "the greatest of the Knights of Ren". More evidence that Disney storytelling turns people's brains to mush. I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. It's so non-sequitur it's ridiculous. Actually Luke's training lasted several weeks. And any idiot watching the chase of the Millennium Falcon knows it wasn't portrayed as an easy capture by the Empire. But to a mush brain like you I guess that's the way it appeared. LOL! Did Vader go down to Tattooine himself? Did Vader even know that his son was alive at that point? Had Vader even heard of Luke Skywalker? Another blatant non-sequitur. More of your mush-brained nonsense that bears no comparison to the butchering of the Force lore that has occurred in the ST. LOL! You kids need to stop spending your lives only breastfeeding off of Disney storytelling. It's turning your brains to mush. |
|
|
|
Post by MCDemuth on Dec 20, 2017 13:43:06 GMT
And yoda, what a disapointment! he should be uber jedi and have a lightsaber and all that shit. He's just a puppet... Lame The swamp is Yoda's home, and Luke and R2D2 are not there to hurt him... His light saber is probably under his bed in his mud hut. So, What the fuck does Yoda need to carry around a lightsaber for? And when 900 Years old YOU reach, Uber Jedi you won't be either... At least he got the X-wing out of the swamp, which Luke in his prime, couldn't do... I completely agree... What is it with people these days, that they are so focused on preconceptions and hatred, that their intelligence just ceases to exist? |
|
|
|
Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 20, 2017 14:01:15 GMT
NON-SEQUITER! Thats the word I was looking for. That exactly describes OP.
Ah, now I really see what he's doing. He's trying to convince us our familiarity with Star Wars lore today would've been exactly the same as back during the OT when it was first establishing everything in a young setting during its early years.
Yeah, no.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 20, 2017 14:09:23 GMT
Look i agree that some of the hate is definitely unnecessary. But there is definitely good criticism being made about the film in which in return is either being mocked or even has hate thrown at them by people who loved the film.
As for the OT comparison, i can't speak for all SW fans but i was hoping Disney would improve on what George Lucas created instead of borrowing from the Marvel Cinematic Universe with its shitty attempt at humor, lame villains and a crappy forced romance.
|
|
|
|
Post by miike80 on Dec 20, 2017 14:23:35 GMT
It has the same type of humor as the MCU, why don't we overlook everything else that was wrong with it?
|
|
|
|
Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 20, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
It has the same type of humor as the MCU, why don't we overlook everything else that was wrong with it? I don't like MCU type humor. |
|
|
|
Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 20, 2017 18:48:04 GMT
Pretty much on the point. I would also add: What's the deal with the emperor? who is he? How come a super star destroyer navigate an asteroid field without sustaining damage? And yoda, what a disapointment! he should be uber jedi and have a lightsaber and all that shit. He's just a puppet... Lame People did say those things, moron. |
|
|
|
Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:03:29 GMT
Pretty much on the point. I would also add: What's the deal with the emperor? who is he? How come a super star destroyer navigate an asteroid field without sustaining damage? And yoda, what a disapointment! he should be uber jedi and have a lightsaber and all that shit. He's just a puppet... Lame People did say those things, moron. Wait, what? That's the point. And don't call me moron , moron. |
|
|
|
Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 20, 2017 19:14:01 GMT
Lol, I like the movie, but this is a pretty poorly thought through parody of criticism showing fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying issues.
The criticism of TLJ is on many writing levels, reaching from blatant plot holes, plot redundancies to lore contradictions and poor storytelling, most of the latter was already ingrained in TFA.
But why would flaws in Empire even make flaws in TLJ any better? That's a silly assumtion to begin with, especially considering how poorly concocted your Empire criticisms are.
Let's take this as the only one that relates to TLJ too: "This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess."
Said no one ever, because it's stupid. Also, it reveals how poor the ST worldbuilding and/or your comprehension of it is. First, you assume Empire and FO are the same, because of rehash, right? Kind of right but utterly wrong: TESB plays years after ANH, while TLJ plays immediately after TFA. Apart from this: The galactic Empire is the ruler of the galaxy, so it is no surprise they can chase the rebels. The FO is not, the New Republic rules the galaxy, the FO is just...whatever it is, it's not even explained.
But the makers of these films hope you are just just too dumb to question that, well some are and question those who question it...
This is the #1 defense used by people who liked TLJ. They constantly compare the films at the most base levels, and then essentially say this film gets a pass for recreating the same problems a 40 year old film had (which again, isn't necessarily the issue in the first place). I complained about this drug addled version of Luke and someone compared him to Yoda's first appearance. Yoda was intentionally being a dick to test Luke; TLJ Luke is just a flake who has given up on life. Your example is great as well. They can't wrap their minds around concepts of world building, character motivations, et cetera, so again they make this 1-for-1 comparison with the OT and insist that since it wasn't a problem then (because it was established much better back then), it shouldn't be a problem now (despite the script being as hollow as many of the characters). I didn't like TLJ, but I have no problem with people who did. But some of these people shouldn't be arguing against my point of view when they literally do not understand it. It's not a matter of opinion at that point; it's as if I'm saying my favorite color is blue and they're saying it should be 12. |
|
|
|
Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 20, 2017 19:20:24 GMT
Lol, I like the movie, but this is a pretty poorly thought through parody of criticism showing fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying issues.
The criticism of TLJ is on many writing levels, reaching from blatant plot holes, plot redundancies to lore contradictions and poor storytelling, most of the latter was already ingrained in TFA.
But why would flaws in Empire even make flaws in TLJ any better? That's a silly assumtion to begin with, especially considering how poorly concocted your Empire criticisms are.
Let's take this as the only one that relates to TLJ too: "This EMPIRE STRIKES BACK movie doesn’t make any sense at all. So they blow up the Death Star but the Empire’s just like NOT AFFECTED? They can still show up anywhere and do anything? Glad so many rebel pilots sacrificed themselves in A NEW HOPE, I guess."
Said no one ever, because it's stupid. Also, it reveals how poor the ST worldbuilding and/or your comprehension of it is. First, you assume Empire and FO are the same, because of rehash, right? Kind of right but utterly wrong: TESB plays years after ANH, while TLJ plays immediately after TFA. Apart from this: The galactic Empire is the ruler of the galaxy, so it is no surprise they can chase the rebels. The FO is not, the New Republic rules the galaxy, the FO is just...whatever it is, it's not even explained.
But the makers of these films hope you are just just too dumb to question that, well some are and question those who question it...
This is the #1 defense used by people who liked TLJ. They constantly compare the films at the most base levels, and then essentially say this film gets a pass for recreating the same problems a 40 year old film had (which again, isn't necessarily the issue in the first place). I complained about this drug addled version of Luke and someone compared him to Yoda's first appearance. Yoda was intentionally being a dick to test Luke; TLJ Luke is just a flake who has given up on life. Your example is great as well. They can't wrap their minds around concepts of world building, character motivations, et cetera, so again they make this 1-for-1 comparison with the OT and insist that since it wasn't a problem then (because it was established much better back then), it shouldn't be a problem now (despite the script being as hollow as many of the characters). I didn't like TLJ, but I have no problem with people who did. But some of these people shouldn't be arguing against my point of view when they literally do not understand it. It's not a matter of opinion at that point; it's as if I'm saying my favorite color is blue and they're saying it should be 12. Quoted for truth. |
|
|
|
Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 19:47:33 GMT
If we applied the modern mindset to the old Trilogy...
LMFAO!
|
|
|
|
Post by outrider127 on Dec 20, 2017 20:33:25 GMT
Look i agree that some of the hate is definitely unnecessary. But there is definitely good criticism being made about the film in which in return is either being mocked or even has hate thrown at them by people who loved the film. As for the OT comparison, i can't speak for all SW fans but i was hoping Disney would improve on what George Lucas created instead of borrowing from the Marvel Cinematic Universe with its shitty attempt at humor, lame villains and a crappy forced romance. Succinct and to the point! |
|
|
|
Post by kleinreturns on Dec 20, 2017 23:34:50 GMT
Interesting posts.
|
|
