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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 11:49:43 GMT
1B for Avengers III part I and II...
That's impressive. They have built a brand, they have a lot of confidence, and they are going balls to the walls.
The only problem is this, if they do this and it fails to make 1B WW per film, they are screwed.
According to John Campea. If your film makes X dollars, you then have to take 1/3 of the total off the top and you get your total gross profit.
Then you have to add in marketing which is 35-50M per film. Lets say they spend
550M - Avengers III part I.
550M - Avengers III part II.
1.1B
Then you make 800M for Part I
and then
1,1 B for part II.
That's 1.9 B World Wide. Then you take 630M off the top for theaters.
That is a total of 1.27B Dollars. It cost 1.1B. You are making a 170M dollar profit. Which is a profit. But they are hoping for
1.5 Billion for part I
and
2 Billion for the finale Part II.
We have to factor in a few things here.
A) Civil War was essentially (for general audiences) an Avengers film. It made less than AoU, which made less than Avengers. The market is over-saturated with these Comic Book films.
B) LOGAN is like The Dark Knight rebirth. After a decade of BRIGHT, FUN, POPCORN MCU films, they want the darker, edgier approach. When TDK came out, people got tired of the dark CBMs and wanted MCU. Now, they are craving Dark again.
C) The Balloon for CBMs, IMHO was 2015. I think that was the ceiling. If AoU had been as good as Avengers, it would have topped it. Look at Jurassic World and Furious 7. Even those films outgrossed Avengers AoU. They didn't even have as much of an established Universe.
D) The "Deadpool" effect. MCU is akin to the Disney Renaissance in the 1990s. The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, etc. Those animated films (at the time) were crushing the box office like no other animated films had EVER done before. Then in 2001 SHREK came out, a satire on the GENRE of Animated Fairy Tales. It crushed it due to audiences getting over-saturated with the market. The Disney Renaissance was dead, and they didn't have a hit (outside of PIXAR) untill "Tangled", nearly a decade after SHREK.
All I'm saying is, history repeats itself. I love Comic Book films, but they are on the decline, not the rise. Every genre has it's peak of the mountain, and I think that stretch between "The Dark Knight" and "Iron Man 3" was the top of the peak, after AoU, it's all going on a downward trend. I think the DCEU was about 5 years too late. They should have used TDK trilogy as a jumping point to launch their DCEU in 2013 and by now have already released MoS, WW, Flash, Aquaman, and JL. They will make money, but not the same as the Marvel CU.
People may see Avengers III part I and II if it is marketed as "The Grand Finale" to this shared universe. Kind of like RDJ and Chris Evans "One Last Time" thing, then maybe they could capture the hearts of those who have enjoyed this universe. But if it's pretty well known they are going beyond this point to the General Audiences, they won't come in droves like before.
It'll be interesting to see.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2017 15:50:07 GMT
I don't think audiences are particularly taken with darker CBMs, they just gave Logan a good time because it's Jackmans' last hurrah.
Once DC makes more underwhelming movies, they'll be reminded that even if the MCU isn't tossing gore at the screen they're still GOOD movies.
I don't see what the R Rating would do for someone like Spider-Man. I really doubt a movie about him would be improved by a scene where he and MJ have anal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 20:26:38 GMT
Mello, you're an idiot.
No, Civil War as a Captain America movie, and it made the most out of the Captain America trilogy. That is an increase in profits, not a decline.
No, Logan proves there is room for both approaches. If people were tired of Marvel's approach, Civil War and Doctor Strange wouldn't have been such big hits.
Jurassic World has nostalgia value and Furious 7 is the last performance of a beloved actor, Paul Walker. Age of Ultron didn't make as much because the luster of having a cinematic universe has dwindled and people aren't as naturally wowed by the Avengers team-ups as they once were. AoU WAS as good as the first Avengers, but it wasn't as fun, which also contributed. It was still a huge hit film, and a sequel making a tin big less than the original is not proof of a decline.
Um, no, if the situation was at all the same in 2016 as it was in 2001, Deadpool would have made more money at the box office than the other superhero films, all of which would have only done "just okay" at best, but that's not what happened. Captain America: Civil War is the highest grossing film of 2016, which alone disproves your moronic assertion.
mello, get a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 21:08:58 GMT
Mello, you're an idiot. No, Civil War as a Captain America movie, and it made the most out of the Captain America trilogy. That is an increase in profits, not a decline. No, Logan proves there is room for both approaches. If people were tired of Marvel's approach, Civil War and Doctor Strange wouldn't have been such big hits. Jurassic World has nostalgia value and Furious 7 is the last performance of a beloved actor, Paul Walker. Age of Ultron didn't make as much because the luster of having a cinematic universe has dwindled and people aren't as naturally wowed by the Avengers team-ups as they once were. AoU WAS as good as the first Avengers, but it wasn't as fun, which also contributed. It was still a huge hit film, and a sequel making a tin big less than the original is not proof of a decline. Um, no, if the situation was at all the same in 2016 as it was in 2001, Deadpool would have made more money at the box office than the other superhero films, all of which would have only done "just okay" at best, but that's not what happened. Captain America: Civil War is the highest grossing film of 2016, which alone disproves your moronic assertion. mello, get a clue. You know, I've extended an olive branch on this new Post Apocalyptic IMDb board. The refugee board, if you will. If you disagree with my post, fine, but you don't have to call me an 'idiot'. For what reason? Now to your response. Jurassic Park III had nostalgia too. It didn't gross a lot. Paul Walker's death had nothing to do with Furious 7 making 1.5B world wide, it grossed only 300M in America, the lowest Domestic gross for a film crossing 1.5B. It did well OVERSEAS, where people could care less about Paul Walker's death. Civil War featured, Captain America, Iron Man, Black WIdow, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Carter, Spider-Man, and so on and so forth. That is more superheroes than the upcoming Justice League film. Heck, a stand alone "Spider-Man 3" in 2007 grossed nearly 800M World Wide (Before IMAX 3D, 3D, and inflation). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
Mello, you're an idiot. No, Civil War as a Captain America movie, and it made the most out of the Captain America trilogy. That is an increase in profits, not a decline. No, Logan proves there is room for both approaches. If people were tired of Marvel's approach, Civil War and Doctor Strange wouldn't have been such big hits. Jurassic World has nostalgia value and Furious 7 is the last performance of a beloved actor, Paul Walker. Age of Ultron didn't make as much because the luster of having a cinematic universe has dwindled and people aren't as naturally wowed by the Avengers team-ups as they once were. AoU WAS as good as the first Avengers, but it wasn't as fun, which also contributed. It was still a huge hit film, and a sequel making a tin big less than the original is not proof of a decline. Um, no, if the situation was at all the same in 2016 as it was in 2001, Deadpool would have made more money at the box office than the other superhero films, all of which would have only done "just okay" at best, but that's not what happened. Captain America: Civil War is the highest grossing film of 2016, which alone disproves your moronic assertion. mello, get a clue. You know, I've extended an olive branch on this new Post Apocalyptic IMDb board. The refugee board, if you will. If you disagree with my post, fine, but you don't have to call me an 'idiot'. For what reason? Now to your response. Jurassic Park III had nostalgia too. It didn't gross a lot. Paul Walker's death had nothing to do with Furious 7 making 1.5B world wide, it grossed only 300M in America, the lowest Domestic gross for a film crossing 1.5B. It did well OVERSEAS, where people could care less about Paul Walker's death. Civil War featured, Captain America, Iron Man, Black WIdow, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Carter, Spider-Man, and so on and so forth. That is more superheroes than the upcoming Justice League film. Heck, a stand alone "Spider-Man 3" in 2007 grossed nearly 800M World Wide (Before IMAX 3D, 3D, and inflation). He's a deeply butthurt man. That's why. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2017 21:19:05 GMT
Just because they have more characters in it than just Cap by himself doesn't mean it's not a movie about him first and foremost. That's just how a Shared Universe works. Characters don't NEED to only appear together in the crossover films, they can show up in any film now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
Mello, you're an idiot. No, Civil War as a Captain America movie, and it made the most out of the Captain America trilogy. That is an increase in profits, not a decline. No, Logan proves there is room for both approaches. If people were tired of Marvel's approach, Civil War and Doctor Strange wouldn't have been such big hits. Jurassic World has nostalgia value and Furious 7 is the last performance of a beloved actor, Paul Walker. Age of Ultron didn't make as much because the luster of having a cinematic universe has dwindled and people aren't as naturally wowed by the Avengers team-ups as they once were. AoU WAS as good as the first Avengers, but it wasn't as fun, which also contributed. It was still a huge hit film, and a sequel making a tin big less than the original is not proof of a decline. Um, no, if the situation was at all the same in 2016 as it was in 2001, Deadpool would have made more money at the box office than the other superhero films, all of which would have only done "just okay" at best, but that's not what happened. Captain America: Civil War is the highest grossing film of 2016, which alone disproves your moronic assertion. mello, get a clue. You know, I've extended an olive branch on this new Post Apocalyptic IMDb board. The refugee board, if you will. If you disagree with my post, fine, but you don't have to call me an 'idiot'. For what reason? Now to your response. Jurassic Park III had nostalgia too. It didn't gross a lot. Paul Walker's death had nothing to do with Furious 7 making 1.5B world wide, it grossed only 300M in America, the lowest Domestic gross for a film crossing 1.5B. It did well OVERSEAS, where people could care less about Paul Walker's death. Civil War featured, Captain America, Iron Man, Black WIdow, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Carter, Spider-Man, and so on and so forth. That is more superheroes than the upcoming Justice League film. Heck, a stand alone "Spider-Man 3" in 2007 grossed nearly 800M World Wide (Before IMAX 3D, 3D, and inflation). You ARE NOT extending an olive branch. You are telling us Marvel sucks and is dying. This is the reason I put you on Ignore back on the original site. Jurassic Park III did not have nearly as much nostalgia going into it. Yes, Paul Walker's death did impact Furious 7. Sorry you can't accept that. Civil War is a Captain America film and most of the those characters were only in it briefly. So yes, it is a Captain America film and it was advertised as such and it was still the highest grossing film of 2016. Learn to live with it. Spider-Man 3 is a non-factor. The superhero genre is not dying, no matter how much false facts you pull from your anus. |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 7, 2017 21:37:28 GMT
To be fair, I feel that one of the factors that allowed the first Avengers movie to make as much as it did is due to how every movie before that built up for it and how it was the first movie of its kind. Everyone was anticipating it. It was the culmination of all those standalone MCU films.
AoU and Civil War in comparison, although theoretically ensemble films in the same vein as the first Avengers movie, doesn't quite have the same build up to it. They both felt like major episodes in a great ongoing series whereas The Avengers felt like a season finale.
The Infinity Wars are like the show's finale. Everything that has come before, including the Avengers, has all been building up to this. Plus, it's something that's never been done before.
Following this logic, it should be able to completely beat out the originally Avengers BO. Or I could be completely wrong and staggers.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 7, 2017 22:00:04 GMT
Hopefully it'll work out for Marvel Studios. Honestly I'd assumed that the reason Age of Ultron didn't make as much was because the film wasn't as good as The Avengers. I know plenty of people who only watched it once in theaters.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 7, 2017 22:00:50 GMT
Boldly going where no studio has gone before.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 23:03:15 GMT
You know, I've extended an olive branch on this new Post Apocalyptic IMDb board. The refugee board, if you will. If you disagree with my post, fine, but you don't have to call me an 'idiot'. For what reason? Now to your response. Jurassic Park III had nostalgia too. It didn't gross a lot. Paul Walker's death had nothing to do with Furious 7 making 1.5B world wide, it grossed only 300M in America, the lowest Domestic gross for a film crossing 1.5B. It did well OVERSEAS, where people could care less about Paul Walker's death. Civil War featured, Captain America, Iron Man, Black WIdow, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Carter, Spider-Man, and so on and so forth. That is more superheroes than the upcoming Justice League film. Heck, a stand alone "Spider-Man 3" in 2007 grossed nearly 800M World Wide (Before IMAX 3D, 3D, and inflation). You ARE NOT extending an olive branch. You are telling us Marvel sucks and is dying. This is the reason I put you on Ignore back on the original site. Jurassic Park III did not have nearly as much nostalgia going into it. Yes, Paul Walker's death did impact Furious 7. Sorry you can't accept that. Civil War is a Captain America film and most of the those characters were only in it briefly. So yes, it is a Captain America film and it was advertised as such and it was still the highest grossing film of 2016. Learn to live with it. Spider-Man 3 is a non-factor. The superhero genre is not dying, no matter how much false facts you pull from your anus. Well consider this. I never call anyone names. I'm all about opinions, theories, discussion, whether I agree with you or not. But I NEVER resort to calling people names. Ironic you put me on ignore on IMDb. |
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Post by NormanClature on May 4, 2018 14:40:46 GMT
1B for Avengers III part I and II... That's impressive. They have built a brand, they have a lot of confidence, and they are going balls to the walls. The only problem is this, if they do this and it fails to make 1B WW per film, they are screwed. According to John Campea. If your film makes X dollars, you then have to take 1/3 of the total off the top and you get your total gross profit. Then you have to add in marketing which is 35-50M per film. Lets say they spend 550M - Avengers III part I. 550M - Avengers III part II. 1.1B Then you make 800M for Part I and then 1,1 B for part II. That's 1.9 B World Wide. Then you take 630M off the top for theaters. That is a total of 1.27B Dollars. It cost 1.1B. You are making a 170M dollar profit. Which is a profit. But they are hoping for 1.5 Billion for part I and 2 Billion for the finale Part II. We have to factor in a few things here. A) Civil War was essentially (for general audiences) an Avengers film. It made less than AoU, which made less than Avengers. The market is over-saturated with these Comic Book films. B) LOGAN is like The Dark Knight rebirth. After a decade of BRIGHT, FUN, POPCORN MCU films, they want the darker, edgier approach. When TDK came out, people got tired of the dark CBMs and wanted MCU. Now, they are craving Dark again. C) The Balloon for CBMs, IMHO was 2015. I think that was the ceiling. If AoU had been as good as Avengers, it would have topped it. Look at Jurassic World and Furious 7. Even those films outgrossed Avengers AoU. They didn't even have as much of an established Universe. D) The "Deadpool" effect. MCU is akin to the Disney Renaissance in the 1990s. The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, etc. Those animated films (at the time) were crushing the box office like no other animated films had EVER done before. Then in 2001 SHREK came out, a satire on the GENRE of Animated Fairy Tales. It crushed it due to audiences getting over-saturated with the market. The Disney Renaissance was dead, and they didn't have a hit (outside of PIXAR) untill "Tangled", nearly a decade after SHREK. All I'm saying is, history repeats itself. I love Comic Book films, but they are on the decline, not the rise. Every genre has it's peak of the mountain, and I think that stretch between "The Dark Knight" and "Iron Man 3" was the top of the peak, after AoU, it's all going on a downward trend. I think the DCEU was about 5 years too late. They should have used TDK trilogy as a jumping point to launch their DCEU in 2013 and by now have already released MoS, WW, Flash, Aquaman, and JL. They will make money, but not the same as the Marvel CU. People may see Avengers III part I and II if it is marketed as "The Grand Finale" to this shared universe. Kind of like RDJ and Chris Evans "One Last Time" thing, then maybe they could capture the hearts of those who have enjoyed this universe. But if it's pretty well known they are going beyond this point to the General Audiences, they won't come in droves like before. It'll be interesting to see. I didn't read all of this. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 4, 2018 14:51:48 GMT
The production budget for Infinity War was $300 million.
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Post by NormanClature on May 4, 2018 14:56:19 GMT
The production budget for Infinity War was $300 billion. That kind of news would cause Mellomoviereview to have an accident in his skinny jeans. I assume you meant "$300 million"? Is that confirmed? |
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Post by charzhino on May 4, 2018 15:06:23 GMT
Funny reading weirdraptors old posts, shows how much of an a$%/#*le he was.
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Post by NormanClature on May 4, 2018 15:12:46 GMT
Funny reading weirdraptors old posts, shows how much of an a$%/#*le he was. At least he got one thing right - "Mello, you're an idiot."  |
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 4, 2018 15:16:41 GMT
Jesus Christ, someone actually bumped up an ancient thread like this?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 4, 2018 15:16:58 GMT
The production budget for Infinity War was $300 billion. That kind of news would cause Mellomoviereview to have an accident in his skinny jeans. I assume you meant "$300 million"? Is that confirmed? Yes, typo on my part, corrected. It was announced by the studio last week as the production budget. |
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Post by NormanClature on May 4, 2018 15:19:49 GMT
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Post by DarkManX on May 4, 2018 15:21:46 GMT
I think Civil War can also be seen as Iron Man 4 as well as Captain America 3. In fact I would not have objected to the film being called Captain America/Iron Man: Civil War.
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