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Post by Skaathar on Jan 5, 2018 18:46:35 GMT
Just taking the main villains (no sidekicks) - Ego, Vulture and Hela are way better than Ares, X-24 or Steppenwolf. Heck if you think about it, those 3 MCU villains are probably better than any DCEU villain yet and better than almost all Fox X-men villains not named Magneto.
And this is why it's kinda silly how people still think the MCU has a "villain problem".
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 19:12:33 GMT
Just taking the main villains (no sidekicks) - Ego, Vulture and Hela are way better than Ares, X-24 or Steppenwolf. Heck if you think about it, those 3 MCU villains are probably better than any DCEU villain yet and better than almost all Fox X-men villains not named Magneto. And this is why it's kinda silly how people still think the MCU has a "villain problem". Marvel definitely improved over these past two years with their villains. I'd vote the robot dude in Logan as the worse CBM villain of 2017. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 19:13:44 GMT
Indeed. Marvel doesnt have a villain problem.
#teamcolden
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Post by charzhino on Jan 5, 2018 20:49:49 GMT
I'd vote the robot dude in Logan as the worse CBM villain of 2017. Then you didnt acknowledge the deeper reason why X24 was specifically used as a symbolic opposition. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 5, 2018 20:53:39 GMT
The only two I saw were Steppenwolf ( lame as fuck ) and X24 ( I have always thought evil dopplegangers were cool as fuck )
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 5, 2018 20:54:54 GMT
Lol, if those are your best movie supervillains you indeed have a villain problem. You mistake famous character actors with good villains. Kylo Ren alone was better than these willies, and I loath EmoRen (especially topless) and think he is a weak villain.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 21:57:35 GMT
I'd vote the robot dude in Logan as the worse CBM villain of 2017. Then you didnt acknowledge the deeper reason why X24 was specifically used as a symbolic opposition. To fill the "Evil Doppelganger" cliche or whatever? Logan is a good movie with a boring set of villains. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 5, 2018 22:05:45 GMT
Hela wasn't all that great really. Cate Blanchett gave a great performance, but I didn't find her compelling as a character at all...fairly one-note.
But Vulture and Ego were fantastic.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 5, 2018 22:16:49 GMT
Lol, if those are your best movie supervillains you indeed have a villain problem. You mistake famous character actors with good villains. Kylo Ren alone was better than these willies, and I loath EmoRen (especially topless) and think he is a weak villain. I should have clarified: I'm talking specifically cbms. Star Wars is not a superhero movie. And Kylo was hardly a villain in TLJ. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 5, 2018 22:18:05 GMT
Hela wasn't all that great really. Cate Blanchett gave a great performance, but I didn't find her compelling as a character at all...fairly one-note. But Vulture and Ego were fantastic. Yeah but she was still better than Ares, Steppenwolf and X24. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 5, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
Hela wasn't all that great really. Cate Blanchett gave a great performance, but I didn't find her compelling as a character at all...fairly one-note. But Vulture and Ego were fantastic. Yeah but she was still better than Ares, Steppenwolf and X24. True. |
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Post by DarkManX on Jan 6, 2018 0:04:42 GMT
Considering everything that happened in the movie, Mr. Sinister should have been the villain of Logan. There was really no reason for him not to be. The Reavers still could have been there as Sinister's lackey's.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2018 1:19:10 GMT
Considering everything that happened in the movie, Mr. Sinister should have been the villain of Logan. There was really no reason for him not to be. The Reavers still could have been there as Sinister's lackey's. Yeah, I felt like a logan-clone was a copout. At the very least get someone like Cyber or Omega Red (which would make sense considering their cybernetic enhancements). At least give us a proper Wolverine villain for his last movie. |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 6, 2018 1:38:16 GMT
Logan was a film where the main villain is Howlett himself both metaphorically in the mind and physically in the form of X24. Hes the culmination of everything Laura and Logan were designed to be, a cold killing machine which they needed to overcome to save their humanity.
X24 is the perfect villain, thematically.
Besides, Donald Pierce is the actual play by play villain and hes no worse than Keaton or Ego, giving as good as a charismatic performance as those.
Mr Sinister wouldn't have fit in with the future as it was shown since mutants were pretty much extinct so no experimentation could be done.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 6, 2018 1:58:44 GMT
Just taking the main villains (no sidekicks) - Ego, Vulture and Hela are way better than Ares, X-24 or Steppenwolf. Heck if you think about it, those 3 MCU villains are probably better than any DCEU villain yet and better than almost all Fox X-men villains not named Magneto. And this is why it's kinda silly how people still think the MCU has a "villain problem". Marvel definitely improved over these past two years with their villains. I'd vote the robot dude in Logan as the worse CBM villain of 2017. Boyd Holbrook? Agreed. Wasted casting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 4:35:15 GMT
Perhaps...but they still weren't anything to write home about. And spare me the whole "focusing on heroes is better than focusing on villains because otherwise we don't get as much development for the heroes" spiel. There have been plenty of great movie villains with genuine menace that have very little screen time to take away from the hero (Silva in Skyfall, Darth Vader in A New Hope, Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs, John Doe in Seven, and even the second best MCU villain, The Winter Soldier, in his titular movie, etc). I think there was plenty to write home about. And I stand by my words about focusing on the heroes instead of the villains. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2018 4:58:00 GMT
Perhaps...but they still weren't anything to write home about. And spare me the whole "focusing on heroes is better than focusing on villains because otherwise we don't get as much development for the heroes" spiel. There have been plenty of great movie villains with genuine menace that have very little screen time to take away from the hero (Silva in Skyfall, Darth Vader in A New Hope, Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs, John Doe in Seven, and even the second best MCU villain, The Winter Soldier, in his titular movie, etc). Hannibal Lecter completely overshadowed the protagonists in Silence of the Lambs. Darth Vader also overshadowed Luke Skywalker in A new hope. There's always a price to pay to make a good villain... you take away focus from the hero. I disagree about Silva being a good villain. He had that one cool face off with Bond but that was about it for him. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 6, 2018 5:06:33 GMT
Perhaps...but they still weren't anything to write home about. And spare me the whole "focusing on heroes is better than focusing on villains because otherwise we don't get as much development for the heroes" spiel. There have been plenty of great movie villains with genuine menace that have very little screen time to take away from the hero (Silva in Skyfall, Darth Vader in A New Hope, Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs, John Doe in Seven, and even the second best MCU villain, The Winter Soldier, in his titular movie, etc). Hannibal Lecter completely overshadowed the protagonists in Silence of the Lambs. Darth Vader also overshadowed Luke Skywalker in A new hope.I'm sorry, but that's just not true, especially not when it was originally released. Vader only became more famous ( iconic, in fact ) after the later movies all focused on him more. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 6, 2018 6:12:04 GMT
Hannibal Lecter completely overshadowed the protagonists in Silence of the Lambs. Darth Vader also overshadowed Luke Skywalker in A new hope.I'm sorry, but that's just not true, especially not when it was originally released. Vader only became more famous ( iconic, in fact ) after the later movies all focused on him more. We'll just have to disagree about that. Luke was a mewling kid in a new hope. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 6, 2018 7:42:36 GMT
I suppose they did have the best villains but that's not really saying much because the others weren't that great anyway.
But yes by MCU standards they did have better villains this year. None of them were particularly great but they did what they needed to.
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