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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jan 9, 2018 3:47:15 GMT
Concession noted. Better luck next time. Conceding? Who is? To what? You haven't said anything yet. I said that people who believe in a god are more idealistic than atheists, which does appear to go without saying, but I did note examples of idealism. You seem to expect to "win" without making any case of your own. You obviously cannot make any case that atheists are idealistic if you tried. Here is an "ideal" of atheism -- materialism. No, that doesn't sound very idealistic, does it? Others here say atheists are idealistic because they believe children should be in charge of distributing the world's wealth. That is a different sort of idealism isn't it? Find obviously idealistic people. Count how many of them believe in a god. I win. By the way, the smarter atheists, none of them are here, argue that indeed atheism is not idealistic, rather it is realistic. That is somewhat less embarrassing for them than "um er ideals um er do too er um." I would argue with them, if they were here, that idealists can be every bit as realistic as atheists. There might be a few idealists who ought to pay more attention to the limits reality imposes on our dreams, but most of us are well established in reality. Another win for me. Your grandiose delusions are getting more frequent.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 9, 2018 4:16:34 GMT
Your grandiose delusions are getting more frequent. Did you get on the wrong bus again? Did you know they have routes and schedules you can download to a smartphone?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 5:37:25 GMT
Concession noted. Better luck next time. Conceding? Who is? To what? You haven't said anything yet. I said that people who believe in a god are more idealistic than atheists, which does appear to go without saying, but I did note examples of idealism. You seem to expect to "win" without making any case of your own. You obviously cannot make any case that atheists are idealistic if you tried. Here is an "ideal" of atheism -- materialism. No, that doesn't sound very idealistic, does it? Others here say atheists are idealistic because they believe children should be in charge of distributing the world's wealth. That is a different sort of idealism isn't it? Find obviously idealistic people. Count how many of them believe in a god. I win. By the way, the smarter atheists, none of them are here, argue that indeed atheism is not idealistic, rather it is realistic. That is somewhat less embarrassing for them than "um er ideals um er do too er um." I would argue with them, if they were here, that idealists can be every bit as realistic as atheists. There might be a few idealists who ought to pay more attention to the limits reality imposes on our dreams, but most of us are well established in reality. Another win for me. Instead of comparing idealism (your translation - theism - good) to realism (your translation - atheism - bad)... Many atheists identify as Secular Humanists and, as such, support charitable groups that address real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They take action to improve the real world. Many theists support charitable groups that address spiritual needs (conversion) as a string attached to any real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They pray to save souls. Real world needs are secondary to spiritual needs.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2018 7:43:15 GMT
Vegas
Why are you taking sides? That was a lot of nerve to post BXXXXXX. If you are going to call me out, then call out Brandon for questioning my sanity.
I will quote you.
I said nothing to him to trigger that response as I only told the Hx of St. Jude's Hospital.
I'm not really taking sides... Hell. I'm not even paying attention to the argument. Yeah... I say keep it "fun and friendly"... but I do also call it shit... S ooooooooooooo....
Let's keep this petty name-calling and godawful bickering fun and friendly. Why didn't you say anything when he called her insane and told her to take her meds? It's a serious question.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 9, 2018 8:05:32 GMT
Concession noted. Better luck next time. You haven't said anything yet. Neither have you. You made an ass-pull claim and then utterly failed to support it with a little thing called evidence. Here is an "ideal" of atheism -- materialism. Materialism is not an ideal, it's a philosophical position on the nature of reality. Find obviously idealistic people. Count how many of them believe in a god. I win. Considering believers vastly outnumber atheists you wouldn't win anything with this method. Regardless, this is just another ass-pull claim with no supporting evidence. It's almost like you're trying to look stupid here.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jan 9, 2018 8:13:51 GMT
I'm not really taking sides... Hell. I'm not even paying attention to the argument. Yeah... I say keep it "fun and friendly"... but I do also call it shit... S ooooooooooooo....
Let's keep this petty name-calling and godawful bickering fun and friendly. Why didn't you say anything when he called her insane and told her to take her meds? It's a serious question. Maybe cause she is insane? Do you even read her posts?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 9, 2018 10:59:21 GMT
Conceding? Who is? To what? You haven't said anything yet. I said that people who believe in a god are more idealistic than atheists, which does appear to go without saying, but I did note examples of idealism. You seem to expect to "win" without making any case of your own. You obviously cannot make any case that atheists are idealistic if you tried. Here is an "ideal" of atheism -- materialism. No, that doesn't sound very idealistic, does it? Others here say atheists are idealistic because they believe children should be in charge of distributing the world's wealth. That is a different sort of idealism isn't it? Find obviously idealistic people. Count how many of them believe in a god. I win. By the way, the smarter atheists, none of them are here, argue that indeed atheism is not idealistic, rather it is realistic. That is somewhat less embarrassing for them than "um er ideals um er do too er um." I would argue with them, if they were here, that idealists can be every bit as realistic as atheists. There might be a few idealists who ought to pay more attention to the limits reality imposes on our dreams, but most of us are well established in reality. Another win for me. Instead of comparing idealism (your translation - theism - good) to realism (your translation - atheism - bad)... Many atheists identify as Secular Humanists and, as such, support charitable groups that address real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They take action to improve the real world. Many theists support charitable groups that address spiritual needs (conversion) as a string attached to any real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They pray to save souls. Real world needs are secondary to spiritual needs. It's almost impossible to generalize about anything without being accused of over generalizing or worse. Most people, including an overwhelming majority here, whatever their beliefs or lack thereof, learned well in school not to generalize about individuals. You were taught that just because an individual is associated however strongly with some group, it does not mean that individual has every trait others in that group have. That is an important and valuable lesson. Just because someone is a fan of stock car races does not mean they are a fan of country music also. Another term you learned was "stereotyping" and to avoid doing that to an individual. There is another lesson though. Sometimes it is necessary to generalize, not about any individual of course, but about the groups. The example I often use to illustrate this point is people from the Southern United States and how much iced tea they drink. It would be wrong to assume that some individual from the South prefers iced tea. There are very likely quite many people from the South who prefer all sorts of other beverages. Nevertheless, it can be necessary and wise to generalize about how much iced tea people from the South drink. Suppose you work at a grocery store and need to order tea and stock the shelves with it well in advance. If people from the South generally drink much more iced tea than other people you need to take that into account. Notice that this is not generalizing about any individual at all. You probably want to stock other beverages as well. The important point here is you might need to stock way more iced tea than other stores in your chain. So some generalizing is necessary and most debates will require considering it. You can imagine the trouble I've seen in my long career of debating. More than anyone else here I know how complicated the truth can get. I know that all atheists are not the same. I've met in real life intelligent and very socially conscious atheists myself. However those are exceptions. In general, with all the caution that generalizing requires, atheists are not idealistic, especially intelligent or socially engaged. I believe that is obvious. In general theists are idealistic, but you are quite correct that not all of them are. You would also be correct if you noted that some theists are "too" idealistic, that is to the detriment of their plans. In general atheists, the more intelligent ones anyway, are more realistic, but you are correct that some entertain higher hopes. Some of them might even know the words to the song, High Hopes. Not all theist help comes with a requirement to hear a preacher, but I don't believe it's a mark against theists to offer guidance. Food and guidance are both good things that getting free shouldn't be a problem for the recipients.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 9, 2018 11:12:26 GMT
Instead of comparing idealism (your translation - theism - good) to realism (your translation - atheism - bad)... Many atheists identify as Secular Humanists and, as such, support charitable groups that address real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They take action to improve the real world. Many theists support charitable groups that address spiritual needs (conversion) as a string attached to any real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They pray to save souls. Real world needs are secondary to spiritual needs. In general, with all the caution that generalizing requires, atheists are not idealistic, especially intelligent or socially engaged. I believe that is obvious. You seem to be under the delusion that what we're objecting to is generalizations, in general, as opposed to the specific generalization you're making here ^ being true. "You believe it is obvious" based on what evidence?
BTW, there is actual evidence out there in the form of studies that show that the average IQ of atheists is (a bit) higher than that of believers, that belief decreases as education level increases, and that belief is much lower than average among high-IQ groups like MENSA; and unlike you I'll be willing to provide my evidence if you ask for it.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 9, 2018 11:41:18 GMT
1. Materialism is not an ideal 2. believers vastly outnumber atheists 1. Duh. 2. I have more to say on that following. 3. based on what evidence 4. there is actual evidence out there in the form of studies that show that the average IQ of atheists is (a bit) higher than that of believers 3. There is the fact that I have any evidence at all, however frail, and you have none. Frail beats none. 4. You might as well take some debate lessons here along with theoncomingstorm. It is necessary in debate to agree to a definition of terms. You can't debate where to put the "school" if you disagree on the definition of a school. That will prove to be an exercise in futility. We have not agreed on a definition of intelligence. I say if lumberjacks gave the intelligence tests then lumberjacks would score higher than anyone else. Your tests were obviously given with an atheist bias. We have also not agreed on the definition of a "believer." You are using self identification. That method is very important for many things, but not always accurate or practical.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 9, 2018 14:08:05 GMT
Why didn't you say anything when he called her insane and told her to take her meds? It's a serious question. Because.. That's what the fcuk we do here. We're here to discuss things and opine about other things... as a result: We're also here to make fun of other people .... and subject ourselves to be made fun of. It's the game we choose to play. This is how we choose to entertain ourselves. It's what we choose to do to take a break from reality.... and nothing is truly real here. Reality shouldn't have anything to do with what transpires here. If Cash suddenly realized that his ID can somehow cause a breach into his reality.. and decides to change it.... than that request should be honored. Move on.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 9, 2018 16:13:55 GMT
3. based on what evidence 4. there is actual evidence out there in the form of studies that show that the average IQ of atheists is (a bit) higher than that of believers 3. There is the fact that I have any evidence at all, however frail, and you have none. Frail beats none. 4. You might as well take some debate lessons here along with theoncomingstorm . It is necessary in debate to agree to a definition of terms. You can't debate where to put the "school" if you disagree on the definition of a school. That will prove to be an exercise in futility. We have not agreed on a definition of intelligence. I say if lumberjacks gave the intelligence tests then lumberjacks would score higher than anyone else. Your tests were obviously given with an atheist bias. We have also not agreed on the definition of a "believer." You are using self identification. That method is very important for many things, but not always accurate or practical. 3. What evidence AT ALL do you have? You've yet to post any AT ALL. 4. So if atheists score higher than believers on IQ tests it must be because the tests have an atheist bias? Well, that must mean nearly all IQ tests have an athiest bias. ( HERE'S another link with plenty of referenced studies on the correlation if IQ/education and religiosity). It must be fun to live on Planet Arlon where when facts don't fit beliefs you just change the meaning of words to make them fit.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2018 17:35:36 GMT
Why didn't you say anything when he called her insane and told her to take her meds? It's a serious question. Because.. That's what the fcuk we do here. We're here to discuss things and opine about other things... as a result: We're also here to make fun of other people .... and subject ourselves to be made fun of. It's the game we choose to play. This is how we choose to entertain ourselves. It's what we choose to do to take a break from reality.... and nothing is truly real here. Reality shouldn't have anything to do with what transpires here. If Cash suddenly realized that his ID can somehow cause a breach into his reality.. and decides to change it.... than that request should be honored. Move on. No. I won't move on.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 9, 2018 17:55:49 GMT
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 9, 2018 18:02:25 GMT
Vegas
You are acting like a typical misogynist. You went out of your way to target me, Maybe you have a thing for BXXXXXXX.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 9, 2018 18:03:53 GMT
You are acting like a typical misogynist. You went out of your way to target me, Maybe you have a thing for BXXXXXXX.
No I'm not... No I didn't... No I don't.
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 9, 2018 18:09:53 GMT
Vegas
I will believe you when I witness balanced behaviour.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jan 9, 2018 18:13:00 GMT
Dear god.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jan 9, 2018 18:14:23 GMT
Vegas
I will believe you when I witness balanced behaviour. Lol
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 9, 2018 18:15:07 GMT
Vargas
Just for you:
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 18:25:40 GMT
Jesus he is much more ripped than I thought he would be.
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