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Post by Vegas on Jan 9, 2018 18:37:51 GMT
Uh... Thanks? Also, there was a guy at work who used to call me "Vargas" instead of Vegas. It's weird to see it here.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 18:40:28 GMT
Instead of comparing idealism (your translation - theism - good) to realism (your translation - atheism - bad)... Many atheists identify as Secular Humanists and, as such, support charitable groups that address real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They take action to improve the real world. Many theists support charitable groups that address spiritual needs (conversion) as a string attached to any real needs - food, clothing, shelter, medical care. They pray to save souls. Real world needs are secondary to spiritual needs. It's almost impossible to generalize about anything without being accused of over generalizing or worse. So some generalizing is necessary and most debates will require considering it. You can imagine the trouble I've seen in my long career of debating. Don't quit your day job.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 18:46:04 GMT
It's almost impossible to generalize about anything without being accused of over generalizing or worse. So some generalizing is necessary and most debates will require considering it. You can imagine the trouble I've seen in my long career of debating. Don't quit your day job. Have you read his 'journalism' honestly he has no future in what he has written on this board, but I would admonish him to quit the 'journalism' too, he is just as rubbish at that.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jan 9, 2018 18:48:38 GMT
It's almost impossible to generalize about anything without being accused of over generalizing or worse. So some generalizing is necessary and most debates will require considering it. You can imagine the trouble I've seen in my long career of debating. Don't quit your day job. I just want to take a moment to appreciate the rephrasing of "endless and haplessly arguing on the internet" to "career of debating".
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 18:51:38 GMT
Have you read his 'journalism' honestly he has no future in what he has written on this board, but I would admonish him to quit the 'journalism' too, he is just as rubbish at that. That was sarcasm, Gad... but, is journalism his day job? If so, then apologies. I rarely read his posts so I have no clue what he actually does for a living.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jan 9, 2018 18:56:40 GMT
Have you read his 'journalism' honestly he has no future in what he has written on this board, but I would admonish him to quit the 'journalism' too, he is just as rubbish at that. That was sarcasm, Gad... but, is journalism his day job? He blogs. It's a website set up to LOOK like a news source but its an open-contributor blog. Believe me when I say: lengthy, prolix, rambling articles that appear, at times, to be the result of a random word generator mating with a rabid ferret.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 19:03:17 GMT
That was sarcasm, Gad... but, is journalism his day job? He blogs. It's a website set up to LOOK like a news source but its an open-contributor blog. Believe me when I say: lengthy, prolix, rambling articles that appear, at times, to be the result of a random word generator mating with a rabid ferret. LOLOLOL! With your charmingly phrased imagery, you should be a journalist!
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 19:03:50 GMT
Have you read his 'journalism' honestly he has no future in what he has written on this board, but I would admonish him to quit the 'journalism' too, he is just as rubbish at that. That was sarcasm, Gad... but, is journalism his day job? If so, then apologies. I rarely read his posts so I have no clue what he actually does for a living. Yeah Journalist is a bit stretchy, he has this site www.thetownvoice.net/, and he will tell people he is a journalist, but it's kind of like me telling people I am a brain surgeon.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 19:08:09 GMT
That was sarcasm, Gad... but, is journalism his day job? If so, then apologies. I rarely read his posts so I have no clue what he actually does for a living. Yeah Journalist is a bit stretchy, he has this site www.thetownvoice.net/, and he will tell people he is a journalist, but it's kind of like me telling people I am a brain surgeon. I'm betting you don't have a web site that claims you are a brain surgeon.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 19:21:16 GMT
Yeah Journalist is a bit stretchy, he has this site www.thetownvoice.net/, and he will tell people he is a journalist, but it's kind of like me telling people I am a brain surgeon. I'm betting you don't have a web site that claims you are a brain surgeon. No but I used to be a web developer, I could build one.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 19:29:11 GMT
I'm betting you don't have a web site that claims you are a brain surgeon. No but I used to be a web developer, I could build one. Is there any money in being a freelance web site builder?
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 19:39:28 GMT
No but I used to be a web developer, I could build one. Is there any money in being a freelance web site builder? Yeah yes and no, I was never freelance, I worked in small development studios, but I am not front end, I am back end applications. There is some money in it as people can't often program or use databases well so having skill in that area is good. Front end (ie design and coding the appearance) used to be anyone could do it, but good work is getting more specialised so I guess there is some money in that. The issue with freelancing is that often you have to do everything and so are not as specialised and so cannot command the big bucks. Honestly I think I have forgotten most of my web programming skills, it would certainly take a while to get back into it on a professional level ( I could whip up a site like arlons in a weekend half cut on whiskey) I am currently working for a big software firm using often proprietary languages.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 9, 2018 19:45:21 GMT
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 20:01:03 GMT
Is there any money in being a freelance web site builder? Yeah yes and no, I was never freelance, I worked in small development studios, but I am not front end, I am back end applications. There is some money in it as people can't often program or use databases well so having skill in that area is good. Front end (ie design and coding the appearance) used to be anyone could do it, but good work is getting more specialised so I guess there is some money in that. The issue with freelancing is that often you have to do everything and so are not as specialised and so cannot command the big bucks. Honestly I think I have forgotten most of my web programming skills, it would certainly take a while to get back into it on a professional level ( I could whip up a site like arlons in a weekend half cut on whiskey) I am currently working for a big software firm using often proprietary languages. I never realized how specialized web design is; of course, I am an analog watch in a digital world. I was, for many years, a freelance illustrator that had just one major client that had me in a specialized niche. That part was a piece of cake. When the major client started to go digital, I had to diversify my analog work for other clients and used an agent, or artist's rep, for that. Not a piece of cake. Then, everyone went digital, and rather than give up my brushes and paint, I gave up illustration and got a day job as a proofreader. Eye for detail, spellcheck doesn't catch everything... it paid the bills for a while. Now that I'm semi-retired, I may take a stab at fine art, though my friend and mentor who did struggles to sell work. She now has two galleries representing her, which should help. Artists have no marketing skills.
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 9, 2018 20:03:39 GMT
You do realize that I would take your requests for my evidence more seriously if I could see your evidence? Perhaps you can see how I have you at a disadvantage here. When people of faith do charitable works, they often do so in the name of their faith, and/or through the organization of their religion or local congregation. When atheists do charitable works they don't do them in the name of "atheism" or through any particularly "atheist" organizations. Already addressed in this thread, "voting" to take from the rich and give to the poor is not exactly the same as "charity." Maybe you shouldn't complain about the evidence then. Maybe you should take another approach entirely. I don’t think so. Because this response of yours is filled with red herrings and non sequiturs. I’m not “complaining” about anything; I’m merely pointing out that there is no evidence supporting your assumption, and therefore o reason for anyone else to take IT seriously. You are correct that religious people do things in the name of their faith, and non religious people don’t. But that doesn’t support your suggestion that theists are more likely to have loftier ideals because of organization. That’s an assumption that’s not supported by any facts. I don’t need any evidence to prove a negative. You are the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. I haven’t expressed any view on the matter; you did! I never said anything about charity, nor did I suggest that atheism “served” anything. I merely questioned whether your claim could be supported with any demonstrable facts. You claimed the internet as a “source”.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 20:06:11 GMT
Yeah yes and no, I was never freelance, I worked in small development studios, but I am not front end, I am back end applications. There is some money in it as people can't often program or use databases well so having skill in that area is good. Front end (ie design and coding the appearance) used to be anyone could do it, but good work is getting more specialised so I guess there is some money in that. The issue with freelancing is that often you have to do everything and so are not as specialised and so cannot command the big bucks. Honestly I think I have forgotten most of my web programming skills, it would certainly take a while to get back into it on a professional level ( I could whip up a site like arlons in a weekend half cut on whiskey) I am currently working for a big software firm using often proprietary languages. I never realized how specialized web design is; of course, I am an analog watch in a digital world. I was, for many years, a freelance illustrator that had just one major client that had me in a specialized niche. That part was a piece of cake. When the major client started to go digital, I had to diversify my analog work for other clients and used an agent, or artist's rep, for that. Not a piece of cake. Then, everyone went digital, and rather than give up my brushes and paint, I gave up illustration and got a day job as a proofreader. Eye for detail, spellcheck doesn't catch everything... it paid the bills for a while. Now that I'm semi-retired, I may take a stab at fine art, though my friend and mentor who did struggles to sell work. She now has two galleries representing her, which should help. Artists have no marketing skills. Yeah I know a few artists and yes it is hard for them to get a break, it seems like part of art school should be marketing. I understand that my (ex) step daughter is going to art school, I really hope she makes it, but I fear they will not teach her the skills she needs to make money out of it.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 20:14:51 GMT
I never realized how specialized web design is; of course, I am an analog watch in a digital world. I was, for many years, a freelance illustrator that had just one major client that had me in a specialized niche. That part was a piece of cake. When the major client started to go digital, I had to diversify my analog work for other clients and used an agent, or artist's rep, for that. Not a piece of cake. Then, everyone went digital, and rather than give up my brushes and paint, I gave up illustration and got a day job as a proofreader. Eye for detail, spellcheck doesn't catch everything... it paid the bills for a while. Now that I'm semi-retired, I may take a stab at fine art, though my friend and mentor who did struggles to sell work. She now has two galleries representing her, which should help. Artists have no marketing skills. Yeah I know a few artists and yes it is hard for them to get a break, it seems like part of art school should be marketing. I understand that my (ex) step daughter is going to art school, I really hope she makes it, but I fear they will not teach her the skills she needs to make money out of it. Your concerns are well-founded. Very few artists make a living out of it, sadly. Tell her to have a back-up skill and I wish her the best of luck.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 20:19:45 GMT
Yeah I know a few artists and yes it is hard for them to get a break, it seems like part of art school should be marketing. I understand that my (ex) step daughter is going to art school, I really hope she makes it, but I fear they will not teach her the skills she needs to make money out of it. Your concerns are well-founded. Very few artists make a living out of it, sadly. Tell her to have a back-up skill and I wish her the best of luck. She does not talk to me any more, she is very bitter about her mum and me breaking up.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 9, 2018 20:39:34 GMT
Your concerns are well-founded. Very few artists make a living out of it, sadly. Tell her to have a back-up skill and I wish her the best of luck. She does not talk to me any more, she is very bitter about her mum and me breaking up. I'm so sorry...
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2018 20:41:22 GMT
She does not talk to me any more, she is very bitter about her mum and me breaking up. I'm so sorry... It is what it is, I am sure Ada would be gloating if she was here, but I can manage.
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