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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2018 17:01:08 GMT
Good men get wiser, more patient, more strategic, more careful, more controlled, more concerned etc. as they get older. Luke was beyond a doubt, a classic "good man." The evolution into pure, uncaring, unconcerned asshole is mystifying. I think I heard a clip of RJ once say that once he had inherited "Luke on an island" as a plot device, he couldn't just make it so that he was a coward, so he had to think of some other reason he was out there. Well I can think of a dozen better reasons than "he was a coward," but even him being afraid is something I could have swallowed. Good men still deal with fear from time to time. Whoever this was in TLJ, he was not a "good man," and thus, he was not Luke Skywalker. The man who wouldn't even strike down one of the most evil Sith Lords ever, Darth Vader, while he lays defenseless at his feet, is suddenly willing to kill his sleeping padawan? The man who had the courage to face Darth Vader alone twice in order to try to turn his father back to the good side, won't even try to save his own nephew? The man who lost a hand in an attempt to save his friends? The man who got his own best friend and brother killed, Han Solo, so he can sulk on an island like "some crazy, old hermit", doesn't even go rushing to his sister's side after he gets the news? Furthermore, we as the audience are not shown Luke's reaction to hearing Han is dead? Terrible storytelling to have a cut happen right then, by the way. The man who would rather get continuously electrocuted than give up his beliefs and see the Jedi end, is suddenly willing to dismantle the whole thing himself? Nonsense. No, that definitely isn't Luke Skywalker. |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Jan 18, 2018 17:14:46 GMT
That is stupid as fuck. Fucking MRAs are tainting Star Wars critics with this bullshit. How? You have to take them seriously for them to taint anything. do not take them seriously, but others may use it against critics and label them. Like sequel defenders. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:16:49 GMT
Good men get wiser, more patient, more strategic, more careful, more controlled, more concerned etc. as they get older. Luke was beyond a doubt, a classic "good man." The evolution into pure, uncaring, unconcerned asshole is mystifying. I think I heard a clip of RJ once say that once he had inherited "Luke on an island" as a plot device, he couldn't just make it so that he was a coward, so he had to think of some other reason he was out there. Well I can think of a dozen better reasons than "he was a coward," but even him being afraid is something I could have swallowed. Good men still deal with fear from time to time. Whoever this was in TLJ, he was not a "good man," and thus, he was not Luke Skywalker. The man who wouldn't even strike down one of the most evil Sith Lords ever, Darth Vader, while he lays defenseless at his feet, is suddenly willing to kill his sleeping padawan? The man who had the courage to face Darth Vader alone twice in order to try to turn his father back to the good side, won't even try to save his own nephew? The man who lost a hand in an attempt to save his friends? The man who got his own best friend and brother killed, Han Solo, so he can sulk on an island like "some crazy, old hermit", doesn't even go rushing to his sister's side after he gets the news? Furthermore, we as the audience are not shown Luke's reaction to hearing Han is dead? Terrible storytelling to have a cut happen right then, by the way. The man who would rather get continuously electrocuted than give up his beliefs and see the Jedi end, is suddenly willing to dismantle the whole thing himself? Nonsense. No, that definitely isn't Luke Skywalker. You know you're preaching to the choir. And I've never even liked Luke. So I can imagine what it must be like for a Luke slappy to have to sit through that garbage character portrayal. And I get that the creative team had to eventually sweep the OT characters under the rug, but as Hamill pointed out, Han got to stay Han. Some people may not like that he apparently wasn't able to keep a nuclear family together, but his personality was still the street-smart, cynical smuggler he was in the OT, except maybe a little more weathered, a little wiser and clearly, a little more of a believer in the Force, which, are all logical evolutions. Now, I'd argue that him failing at keeping a nuclear family together was also a logical eventuality for Han, but I don't want to get into a debate with any Han slappies over it. Suffice it to say, Han was pretty much Han in TFA. That was not Luke in TLJ. The one look we got from him in TFA was what I expected to see from Luke, but RJ trolled that look of nostalgia/concern/sadness/resolve when he had Luke toss the saber over his shoulder as an attempt at cheap humor (which, only a few people in my theater laughed). |
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2018 17:26:29 GMT
You know you're preaching to the choir. And I've never even liked Luke. So I can imagine what it must be like for a Luke slappy to have to sit through that garbage character portrayal. And I get that the creative team had to eventually sweep the OT characters under the rug, but as Hamill pointed out, Han got to stay Han. Some people may not like that he apparently wasn't able to keep a nuclear family together, but his personality was still the street-smart, cynical smuggler he was in the OT, except maybe a little more weathered, a little wiser and clearly, a little more of a believer in the Force, which, are all logical evolutions. Now, I'd argue that him failing at keeping a nuclear family together was also a logical eventuality for Han, but I don't want to get into a debate with any Han slappies over it. Suffice it to say, Han was pretty much Han in TFA. That was not Luke in TLJ. The one look we got from him in TFA was what I expected to see from Luke, but RJ trolled that look of nostalgia/concern/sadness/resolve when he had Luke toss the saber over his shoulder as an attempt at cheap humor (which, only a few people in my theater laughed). I know, I know...I just can't help myself.  I didn't even like Luke's wink at C-3PO towards the end of the movie, which felt like something more Han Solo would do instead of Luke Skywalker. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:29:21 GMT
You know you're preaching to the choir. And I've never even liked Luke. So I can imagine what it must be like for a Luke slappy to have to sit through that garbage character portrayal. And I get that the creative team had to eventually sweep the OT characters under the rug, but as Hamill pointed out, Han got to stay Han. Some people may not like that he apparently wasn't able to keep a nuclear family together, but his personality was still the street-smart, cynical smuggler he was in the OT, except maybe a little more weathered, a little wiser and clearly, a little more of a believer in the Force, which, are all logical evolutions. Now, I'd argue that him failing at keeping a nuclear family together was also a logical eventuality for Han, but I don't want to get into a debate with any Han slappies over it. Suffice it to say, Han was pretty much Han in TFA. That was not Luke in TLJ. The one look we got from him in TFA was what I expected to see from Luke, but RJ trolled that look of nostalgia/concern/sadness/resolve when he had Luke toss the saber over his shoulder as an attempt at cheap humor (which, only a few people in my theater laughed). I know, I know...I just can't help myself. I didn't even like Luke's wink at C-3PO towards the end of the movie, which felt like something more Han Solo would do instead of Luke Skywalker. As Hamill would say, that wasn't Luke Skywalker. It was Jake Skywalker. Jake might be a winker. |
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Post by audiosane on Jan 18, 2018 18:43:44 GMT
You know you're preaching to the choir. And I've never even liked Luke. So I can imagine what it must be like for a Luke slappy to have to sit through that garbage character portrayal. And I get that the creative team had to eventually sweep the OT characters under the rug, but as Hamill pointed out, Han got to stay Han. Some people may not like that he apparently wasn't able to keep a nuclear family together, but his personality was still the street-smart, cynical smuggler he was in the OT, except maybe a little more weathered, a little wiser and clearly, a little more of a believer in the Force, which, are all logical evolutions. Now, I'd argue that him failing at keeping a nuclear family together was also a logical eventuality for Han, but I don't want to get into a debate with any Han slappies over it. Suffice it to say, Han was pretty much Han in TFA. That was not Luke in TLJ. The one look we got from him in TFA was what I expected to see from Luke, but RJ trolled that look of nostalgia/concern/sadness/resolve when he had Luke toss the saber over his shoulder as an attempt at cheap humor (which, only a few people in my theater laughed). I know, I know...I just can't help myself. I didn't even like Luke's wink at C-3PO towards the end of the movie, which felt like something more Han Solo would do instead of Luke Skywalker.  Yup. Luke was more of a smiler/looker.   Maybe Rian's an Arrested Development fan and just wasn't paying attention...   |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 18, 2018 18:59:33 GMT
enlighten us. Unless it is another rant about how TLJ tretaed all the male cgharacters as inept etc etc. That excuse we already know. Facts are excuses now? No. What you say is not fact. It's opinion. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 18, 2018 19:08:47 GMT
No. What you say is not fact. It's opinion. No, it's a fact. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 18, 2018 19:12:01 GMT
Some sad-ass MRAs.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 18, 2018 19:12:35 GMT
No. What you say is not fact. It's opinion. No, it's a fact. Ok. To me it's not, it's your opinion. that is a fact and you can't do anything about it. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:14:59 GMT
It's about integrity in gaming Star Wars journalism criticism!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:22:09 GMT
I'm kind of old. Will somebody please enlighten me as to what an MRA is so I know who all the hyperbole is being directed at? Best thing I can come up with based on content is "Men's Rights Activist," but I'm probably comically off-base.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:22:44 GMT
I'm kind of old. Will somebody please enlighten me as to what an MRA is so I know who all the hyperbole is being directed at? Best thing I can come up with based on content is "Men's Rights Activist," but I'm probably comically off-base. Nope... Sad to say... You are 100% correct. Google the phrase "It's about integrity in gaming journalism." Actually, don't, it's a horrible rabbit hole of awfulness. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 18, 2018 19:24:21 GMT
Ok. To me it's not, it's your opinion. that is a fact and you can't do anything about it. No, you're actually wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:31:35 GMT
I'm kind of old. Will somebody please enlighten me as to what an MRA is so I know who all the hyperbole is being directed at? Best thing I can come up with based on content is "Men's Rights Activist," but I'm probably comically off-base. Nope... Sad to say... You are 100% correct. Well shit, where do my wife and I sign up?  |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 18, 2018 19:33:19 GMT
Ok. To me it's not, it's your opinion. that is a fact and you can't do anything about it. No, you're actually wrong. Anything... About... It... |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 18, 2018 19:41:19 GMT
Did the edit come from the MRA MRM though? I always look at them as higher than this and agree with a lot of what they have to say. Feminist groups are way worse. But this is a case where you should not fight fire with fire (if this indeed came from the MRA MRM wich I doubt)
Edit:Ok. Ok. i get it now there's a MRM (men's rights movement) and individual MRA's that are just stupid people like the feminazis.
Boy things are getting complicated over there in America...
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Post by ryboto on Jan 18, 2018 20:04:12 GMT
No, you're actually wrong. Anything... About... It... You're wrong though. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2018 20:18:40 GMT
I'm kind of old. Will somebody please enlighten me as to what an MRA is so I know who all the hyperbole is being directed at? Best thing I can come up with based on content is "Men's Rights Activist," but I'm probably comically off-base. Yeah, I had never seen that one either until today. I dislike most acronyms though. I especially dislike when people take some random words, create an acronym from it, and then throw said acronym around like it's commonly known ones like FBI, CIA, or MAC. Since people are going to be obnoxious with the acronyms, I submit a motion for us to just create a whole bunch of new ones here and now. I'll start with the creation of...IDMA. IDMA is the most important acronym. If you don't know what IDMA means, you pretty much aren't a person. I'm so cool because I know what IDMA means.  It means I Dislike Most Acronyms. Duh!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 20:21:26 GMT
I'm kind of old. Will somebody please enlighten me as to what an MRA is so I know who all the hyperbole is being directed at? Best thing I can come up with based on content is "Men's Rights Activist," but I'm probably comically off-base. Yeah, I had never seen that one either until today. I dislike most acronyms though. I especially dislike when people take some random words, create an acronym from it, and then throw said acronym around like it's commonly known ones like FBI, CIA, or MAC. Since people are going to be obnoxious with the acronyms, I submit a motion for us to just create a whole bunch of new ones here and now. I'll start with the creation of...IDMA. IDMA is the most important acronym. If you don't know what IDMA means, you pretty much aren't a person. I'm so cool because I know what IDMA means. It means I Dislike Most Acronyms. Duh! I only use acronyms because: "peer pressure." I'm starting one called IDMAT! Don't get it confused with yours because it's different! |
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