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Post by drystyx on Jan 18, 2018 18:13:40 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally.
But it's usually what is taken literally that isn't literal.
Take the quote "God hates a liar".
Now, literally, this is not something the Holy Ghost does. The Holy Ghost didn't hate the German farmer who hid a Jew in a haystack, who lied to the Gestapo, saying, "No, no stinking Jews here! They better not come around here!", in hopes of keeping the Gestapo from doing evil.
Just one example.
More to today. A man is dying from a fiery crash in which he lost his wife and baby. He asks you if they survived. You know they didn't, but you know he is about to die. You tell the man he managed to save his family. He dies with some hope and satisfaction. Are you the "liar God hates"?
You are definitely not the liar to the Holy Ghost.
Why?
The Holy Ghost is the comforter, the truth.
The fool will say "But the truth is the evil that was reality"
But that makes the fool the fool. The truth of the Holy Ghost is not in this world's reality. It is a superior world.
The man who writes defeat into your heart is the liar to the Holy Ghost, not the man who writes hope into the hearts of those who aren't in power. Those in power need no more heart. Those who are already principalities need no more hope. Those who are downtrodden, they need the victory.
The Holy Ghost is not of this world. When he hates a liar, he hates the liar of the world who keeps the world in hate, and who rationalizes the defeat of others. The "liar" to the Holy Ghost, is the man or woman who says that the victim is the problem, the victim is to blame, that the thieves and murderers and gang members are victims, that their prey are at fault, because they were not loved by God or Jesus.
That is the Holy Ghost of the honest man and the honest woman, the ones whose spirits will go into that sphere when they depart from this life, for they have accepted the value of that true Holy Ghost.
The Ghost that is worshiped by those who love the world's truth is what they move their spirits to.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Jan 18, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. ... Ah, another Bible beater who says that the Bible is "The Truth", but then they cherry-pick the passages that support their beliefs. The Bible is either 100% truth (the word of God) or it is 100% fiction (the work of humans). If you doubt any of the bible, then what gives you the authority to say that other parts are the word of God? As for me, I like porn from Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version) She lusted after her lovers, who's genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:06:25 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. ... Ah, another Bible beater who says that the Bible is "The Truth", but then they cherry-pick the passages that support their beliefs. The Bible is either 100% truth (the word of God) or it is 100% fiction (the work of humans). If you doubt any of the bible, then what gives you the authority to say that other parts are the word of God? As for me, I like porn from Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version) She lusted after her lovers, who's genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. :-}
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Post by drystyx on Jan 18, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. ... Ah, another Bible beater who says that the Bible is "The Truth", but then they cherry-pick the passages that support their beliefs. The Bible is either 100% truth (the word of God) or it is 100% fiction (the work of humans). If you doubt any of the bible, then what gives you the authority to say that other parts are the word of God? As for me, I like porn from Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version) She lusted after her lovers, who's genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. There is no "cherry picking" when one cites the Holy Ghost as depicted by the son of God himself. "Cherry picking" is by those who want to justify hatred of the Holy Ghost, blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, by claiming the Holy Ghost would call the man who lied to the Gestapo about hiding a Jew "a liar". That is the cherry picking of the fundamentalist which leads to so much confusion about who the Holy Ghost really is.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 19:18:54 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. ... Ah, another Bible beater who says that the Bible is "The Truth", but then they cherry-pick the passages that support their beliefs. The Bible is either 100% truth (the word of God) or it is 100% fiction (the work of humans). If you doubt any of the bible, then what gives you the authority to say that other parts are the word of God? As for me, I like porn from Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version) She lusted after her lovers, who's genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. You are aware that the bible is a collection of books right? Written by different authors at different times for different purposes.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 18, 2018 19:21:43 GMT
The idea of a God that hates anything seems pretty ludicrous.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 19:25:06 GMT
The idea of a God that hates anything seems pretty ludicrous. I must confess I thought I would find it hard to agree with you on anything. But it seems I do.
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 18, 2018 19:38:35 GMT
gadreel
You left these at the cleaners.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 19:44:40 GMT
gadreel
You left these at the cleaners. You may have to explain yourself, your humour may be too complex for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:47:48 GMT
Ah, another Bible beater who says that the Bible is "The Truth", but then they cherry-pick the passages that support their beliefs. The Bible is either 100% truth (the word of God) or it is 100% fiction (the work of humans). If you doubt any of the bible, then what gives you the authority to say that other parts are the word of God? As for me, I like porn from Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version) She lusted after her lovers, who's genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. You are aware that the bible is a collection of books right? Written by different authors at different times for different purposes. Both fundamentalists and militant atheists alike tend to forget this simple fact. Also, a lot of what was written down came from earlier oral traditions.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 19:54:10 GMT
You are aware that the bible is a collection of books right? Written by different authors at different times for different purposes. Both fundamentalists and militant atheists alike tend to forget this simple fact. Also, a lot of what was written down came from earlier oral traditions. Extremists often have more in common than they would like to think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:57:37 GMT
Both fundamentalists and militant atheists alike tend to forget this simple fact. Also, a lot of what was written down came from earlier oral traditions. Extremists often have more in common than they would like to think. Very true.
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 18, 2018 20:19:49 GMT
gadreel
Oh, you are up and about.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 20:22:26 GMT
gadreel
Oh, you are up and about. Yes, as you are aware, as you responded to my post. Can you explain your comment to me, I don't get it.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 18, 2018 20:26:45 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. But it's usually what is taken literally that isn't literal. Take the quote "God hates a liar". Now, literally, this is not something the Holy Ghost does. The Holy Ghost didn't hate the German farmer who hid a Jew in a haystack, who lied to the Gestapo, saying, "No, no stinking Jews here! They better not come around here!", in hopes of keeping the Gestapo from doing evil. Just one example. More to today. A man is dying from a fiery crash in which he lost his wife and baby. He asks you if they survived. You know they didn't, but you know he is about to die. You tell the man he managed to save his family. He dies with some hope and satisfaction. Are you the "liar God hates"? I just tried on a pair of Trump shoes on the Politics board, so I'll try on a pair of Christian shoes now.
"God hates a liar" is generally true, but it doesn't mean that ALL lies are detestable to God. A couple of instances in the OT portray lies being told for good purposes (just like in your examples), and God seems to approve of them. So, "God hates a liar" is a rule, but a rule with exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 21:34:42 GMT
God does not mind a liars he minds people who are indifferent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. How did you determine what should be taken literally, and what should not?
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Post by gadreel on Jan 18, 2018 23:17:37 GMT
A lot of what is scripture is taken too literally. How did you determine what should be taken literally, and what should not? The stick of truth.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 0:02:58 GMT
Yes. He does.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 19, 2018 0:11:22 GMT
tpfkar You are aware that the bible is a collection of books right? Written by different authors at different times for different purposes. Both fundamentalists and militant atheists alike tend to forget this simple fact. Also, a lot of what was written down came from earlier oral traditions. It is presented as a coherent work. And nearly all of it is pretty absurd unless you've got a throbbing need going in. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
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