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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 14:39:54 GMT
You'd think Obi-Wan would feel he owed it to Qui-Gon to go back and free a slave. The Jedi believe in slavery? No and no.
Qui Gon dryly stated himself that he did not intend to free slaves; Padme was outraged but "the Republic does not exist out here", it's the Outer Rim. So why would Obi Wan even contemplate to violate teh Jedi rules and competences and go out to free slaves?
Because Qui-Gon used the Force to cheat to free Anakin in the first place.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 23, 2018 14:43:10 GMT
No and no.
Qui Gon dryly stated himself that he did not intend to free slaves; Padme was outraged but "the Republic does not exist out here", it's the Outer Rim. So why would Obi Wan even contemplate to violate teh Jedi rules and competences and go out to free slaves?
Because Qui-Gon used the Force to cheat to free Anakin in the first place. Yes he did, But what does that to do with slavery? He freed Anakin because he thought Anakin was the one to bring balance. Thus for a religious conviction, being "the will of the Force" not because he was a slave.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 14:48:07 GMT
Because Qui-Gon used the Force to cheat to free Anakin in the first place. Yes he did, But what does that to do with slavery? He freed Anakin because he thought Anakin was the one to bring balance. Thus for a religious conviction, being "the will of the Force" not because he was a slave. So he was willing to break the laws out there based on a possibility, not something certain. Yet it's wrong to want to free his only living relative and not condemn her to an early death?
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 23, 2018 15:11:34 GMT
Yes he did, But what does that to do with slavery? He freed Anakin because he thought Anakin was the one to bring balance. Thus for a religious conviction, being "the will of the Force" not because he was a slave. So he was willing to break the laws out there based on a possibility, not something certain. Yet it's wrong to want to free his only living relative and not condemn her to an early death? It's not that hard to understand if you go by motivations and dialogue instead of made up things
Qui Gon freed Anakin because he saw the chosen one in him (and needed him to complete the secret mission), and he even antagonized the Jedi council (and Obi Wan) for this religious conviction or fanatism. He was defined as a rebellious Jedi (living Force concept) who for this reason was not part of the Council and did not care (explicit dialogue).
Obi Wan cared however, he was a play-it-by-the-code guy and became a council member in III.
So what has all that to do with Obi Wan's motives or to do with the boy's mother? Obi Wan is not Qui Gon, he just kept his promise he gave to dying Qui Gon to train the boy. Did Obi Wan promise to free the mother too? No.
Did Obi Wan care about the slave mother's? We don't know, but as per my dream-quote above, it seems not too much. He cared about the rules, such as attachments, compliance and competence.
Maybe this is one of the reasons he admitted failure to Anakin.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 15:27:53 GMT
So he was willing to break the laws out there based on a possibility, not something certain. Yet it's wrong to want to free his only living relative and not condemn her to an early death? It's not that hard to understand if you go by motivations and dialogue instead of made up things
Qui Gon freed Anakin because he saw the chosen one in him (and needed him to complete the secret mission), and he even antagonized the Jedi council (and Obi Wan) for this religious conviction or fanatism. He was defined as a rebellious Jedi (living Force concept) who for this reason was not part of the Council and did not care (explicit dialogue).
Obi Wan cared however, he was a play-it-by-the-code guy and became a council member in III.
So what has all that to do with Obi Wan's motives or to do with the boy's mother? Obi Wan is not Qui Gon, he just kept his promise he gave to dying Qui Gon to train the boy. Did Obi Wan promise to free the mother too? No.
Did Obi Wan care about the slave mother's? We don't know, but as per my dream-quote above, it seems not too much. He cared about the rules, such as attachments, compliance and competence.
Maybe this is one of the reasons he admitted failure to Anakin.
Would've been nice if someone even mentioned Shmi before Anakin went back to Tatooine in ATOC.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 27, 2018 4:34:19 GMT
Was she a dingbat because she got played by Palpatine? If you recall Palpatine played 99% of everyone in the galaxy. So Padmé is a dingbat for that reason? And wasn't Padmé the one who devised the plan to team up with the Gungans and launched a diversion battle and surprise kidnapping of Gunray? Even Palpatine in the guise of Sidious was surprised calling it "a bold move" and "unexpected for her". That doesn't sound like a dingbat.-The other 99% didn't have Palpatine whispering in their ear like it was a high school production of Richard III. And Jar Jar had just explicitly told her that the gungans are warriors and that they have a "grand army", so I don't think it's Mensa worthy for her to say "hey, maybe we can use them". I'll make no excuses for Padmé looking the other way for Anakin murdering children. But killing a bunch of murdering Tusken Raiders who kidnapped and tortured Anakin's mother? If you condemn her for that, you may as well condemn the mates of soldiers and police officers.
And I don't see what wearing ceremonial clothing has to do with her intelligence. Such customs are often expected of royalty. Ultimately they have no bearing on how capable a ruler is.-Not all soldiers and police officers murder women and children in cold blood. And she is a senator in AotC, not royalty. Not that my glib joke there requires debate. It would help her harness abilities that she was using. Young Anakin harnessed Jedi reflexes and perception in pod racing - not Jedi mind tricks, lightsaber skills, Force grabs and pulls. To say Rey's piloting skills were enhanced by the Force when she was in that dogfight on Jakku might be credible. Because she had taken a few real flights and (according to the novelization) trained on simulators. But overwhelming a trained opponent in things she had never done before... that's just not very organic. The fact that they went out of their way to say there is no explanation or exposition for Rey in TLJ just further underscores that point. "Isn't it possible..." is exactly how all of those theories about Rey started out (that I listed) that have now been debunked.-The lightsaber skills could have been harnessed with her staff skills. Also, Luke was able to block with a lightsaber blindfolded in about 14 seconds with all the extensive training of being told "stretch out with your feelings". Speaking of Luke, I don't recall him ever learning or even seeing force grabs, so likewise, the wompa scene is a plothole. That, or people strong with the force can sometimes use it instinctively...but that'd be crazy. I'll grant you that the Jedi mind trick was a little much. though. Practicing moving a broom is a long way away from using more advanced skills... on top of defeating (and embarrassing someone who has been trained by masters (like Rey did to Kylo)... and on top of that, they were things Rey admitted she had never done in her life before.-Kylo Ren had just been emotionally and physically weakened by the murdering of his father and subsequent bowcaster bolt. Plus what I said above.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 27, 2018 6:11:55 GMT
Was she a dingbat because she got played by Palpatine? If you recall Palpatine played 99% of everyone in the galaxy. So Padmé is a dingbat for that reason? And wasn't Padmé the one who devised the plan to team up with the Gungans and launched a diversion battle and surprise kidnapping of Gunray? Even Palpatine in the guise of Sidious was surprised calling it "a bold move" and "unexpected for her". That doesn't sound like a dingbat.-The other 99% didn't have Palpatine whispering in their ear like it was a high school production of Richard III. And Jar Jar had just explicitly told her that the gungans are warriors and that they have a "grand army", so I don't think it's Mensa worthy for her to say "hey, maybe we can use them". It might be easy to draw that conclusion if you didn't care for the prequels. But it ignores the circumstances. As Palpatine pointed out, Chancellor Vellorum had long been mired in corruption. There was also suspicion that he was on the payroll of wealthy "special interest groups". Along comes a situation (that Palpatine secretly help create) that becomes a high profile controversy before the entire Republic. And injustice (of Naboo) on one side with corruption from the Trade Federation on the other. And it seems Vallorum excuses the corruption when he asks Padmé to defer to the courts. No doubt Palpatine has been studying Vallorum's situation for quite some time and could predict his reaction. He clues Padmé as to what will happen. And right on cue Vallorum responded in such a way that it made Palpatine seem clairvoyant or prophetic. If you think "the 99%'s" reaction is stupid, just consider the current political situation with accusations of of collusion with the Russians on the part of the Trump administration. Consider how divisive it is. Consider the strong bandwagon reaction from people taking opposing sides on that issue. I thought I made clear that I didn't defend Anakin murdering the Sand People children or Padmé excusing him of it? But the point I was making was any police officer or soldier would gun down anyone coming at them with weapons after they tried to free a hostage who wound up dying. Well I guess it's a nitpick point no matter what side of the fence you fall on. So I'll move on... Well we don't know how long Ben had been training Luke with the lightsaber in that scene since we came in on the middle of it. And during it R2D2 and Chewbacca were playing chess, a game that often takes an hour (if not several) to complete. This is a key example in the difference of storytelling subtlety between the OT and the ST. We could conclude that there was some offscreen time that additionally went into Luke training before we get that scene. Contrast that with the ST suggesting that the First Order took over the entire galaxy when they themselves stated that there was no offscreen time between TFA and TLJ. Luke pulling the lightsaber in TESB is probably one of the weakest moments in the OT as far as exposition. But Luke wasn't fighting a trained Force user when he did it. And that's the problem I have with that entire sequence of scenes: his weaknesses were portrayed onscreen as a plot McGuffin. The execution was poor. Kylo's weaknesses turned on and off as it was convenient. First Kylo seems emotionally affected by just killing his father. Then he's shot by Chewbacca to the point of limping and being slightly doubled over. Yet somehow he gets ahead of Rey and Finn in the forest who started running and are walking at a brisk pace by the time they crossed paths with Kylo. (I guess his weaknesses turned off during that time period). Then Kylo is clutching his side with blood dropping to the snow when he Force chucks Rey into some trees. Then he throws a tantrum at Finn and they start dueling. Kylo clearly isn't overwhelmed by those weaknesses during this part since half his moves during their duel came with flair as if he were toying with Finn and showing off. But at least you could make an argument that he might be partially affected if you count Finn grazing Kylo on the shoulder (and if you assume Finn had little or no melee training). But that's a blind assumption. So after being strong enough to throw Rey into some trees right around the time he was clutching his side, now he can't outpull someone who has never done it before. (I guess his weaknesses suddenly turned back on full strength again? How convenient). Now Rey and Kylo begin lightsaber dueling... and something baffling happens. Kylo was just so weak that he lost to Rey in a Force grab competition for the lightsaber... but now his weaknesses instantly disappear as he begins skillfully dominating Rey and keeps her constantly retreating. (At least up until Rey's Force meditation moment). But Rey just woke up from being unconscious, had the presence of mind to outdo Kylo in the Force pull, but doesn't think to use the Force in dueling as soon as it starts. And doesn't think she can compete with Kylo dueling even though she just beat him with the Force. Not to mention she embarrassed him in their mind probe battle. Then of course after Kylo locked sabres with Rey and stood there and watched her meditate in the Force, his weaknesses turn back on again. It was just so inconsistent and poorly executed.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 27, 2018 6:16:52 GMT
![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) sure stick fighting qualifies you to sword fighting and defeating trained Masters of the Ren; if it helps you sleep at night. And Luke did not have years in between films to study the Force ("But I have learned so much") unlike Rey who did it ad hoc without any training and within days on a much higher level. Great argument genius. er, have you even watched the movie dude? what a pity the film did not show all that.. Despite the wound by a weapon that should have killed him on the spot and his alleged "emotional weakening" (lol) Kylo was perfectly able to (i) somehow overtake them/run ahead of them in the woods, (ii) smash Rey high into the trees and use force powers. (iii) Then to hit and use the wound as aggression stimulation (!) and (iv) then fighting unimpaired with awesome moves like an unhurt man, (v) toying with them without haste letting Fin get up again and offering to train Rey! Only when Rey "downloaded " (JJ) her Mary Sue Force power by closing her eyes and asking "The Force?" she became Mrs PacMan on the Ghostbuster pill and emasculated and kicked his poor ass so he had to be saved by a magic chasm opening and saved by Hux. Lol, and did Kylo in TLJ not say that "it's nothing" when a few hours later asked about the wound, or was that about his face scar wound as the other one was not even catered by the med droids? One of the incomprehensibly worst written and executed fights ever, complete and total moron fodder! Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 27, 2018 8:09:46 GMT
sure stick fighting qualifies you to sword fighting and defeating trained Masters of the Ren; if it helps you sleep at night. And Luke did not have years in between films to study the Force ("But I have learned so much") unlike Rey who did it ad hoc without any training and within days on a much higher level. Great argument genius.Yeah, I suppose it is stupid to suggest that being well versed in the defensive use of one long weapon would lend itself to the defensive use of another long weapon...because they're made out of different material. We'll also ignore the fact that we are talking about whether or not it would help harness what is basically magic that relies on one's instincts, for the sake of bringing smug laughter and sarcastic insults to a previously mature debate. Hahahahaha! er, have you even watched the movie dude? what a pity the film did not show all that.. Not as many times as you apparently. Maybe you should take a break from rage watching TFA for the sake of point-by-point analysis to use against it in debate and go rewatch one of Ben Kenobi and Yoda's force speeches. You'll understand how it works better. But on the subject of the fight, you ignore that: -I said it weakened Kylo, not incapacitated -after the shot, he is immediately seen limping -they show his blood coating the snow at his feet as the fight is starting, no doubt to reinforce the fact that he's wounded and weakened -his face is pale and pain-stricken throughout -Finn is also able to hold his own and get a strike in with no training If you don't think it was executed properly, that is fine. I'm not gonna sit here and say they didn't forsake realistic agony and stilted movements for the sake of cool fight choreography. But the intent of the scene is obvious.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 27, 2018 8:54:16 GMT
It might be easy to draw that conclusion if you didn't care for the prequels. But it ignores the circumstances. As Palpatine pointed out, Chancellor Vellorum had long been mired in corruption. There was also suspicion that he was on the payroll of wealthy "special interest groups". Along comes a situation (that Palpatine secretly help create) that becomes a high profile controversy before the entire Republic. And injustice (of Naboo) on one side with corruption from the Trade Federation on the other. And it seems Vallorum excuses the corruption when he asks Padmé to defer to the courts.
No doubt Palpatine has been studying Vallorum's situation for quite some time and could predict his reaction. He clues Padmé as to what will happen. And right on cue Vallorum responded in such a way that it made Palpatine seem clairvoyant or prophetic.
If you think "the 99%'s" reaction is stupid, just consider the current political situation with accusations of of collusion with the Russians on the part of the Trump administration. Consider how divisive it is. Consider the strong bandwagon reaction from people taking opposing sides on that issue.It's easy to forget these things when so much of the prequels is seen and not shown. But fair points. I'll cut Padme some slack on Palpatine. I thought I made clear that I didn't defend Anakin murdering the Sand People children or Padmé excusing him of it? But the point I was making was any police officer or soldier would gun down anyone coming at them with weapons after they tried to free a hostage who wound up dying.You did, but then you made a comparison between Anakin and cops/soldiers I don't quite agree with. Some raiders came running at him with weapons, yes (after he struck down two of them in surprise), but women and children are also seen running away hand-in-hand in fear. These ones were also murdered based on Anakin's statements. Well we don't know how long Ben had been training Luke with the lightsaber in that scene since we came in on the middle of it. And during it R2D2 and Chewbacca were playing chess, a game that often takes an hour (if not several) to complete. This is a key example in the difference of storytelling subtlety between the OT and the ST. We could conclude that there was some offscreen time that additionally went into Luke training before we get that scene. Contrast that with the ST suggesting that the First Order took over the entire galaxy when they themselves stated that there was no offscreen time between TFA and TLJ.Well, yes, but it is the blindfolded portion I was referring to. And that's the problem I have with that entire sequence of scenes: his weaknesses were portrayed onscreen as a plot McGuffin. The execution was poor. Kylo's weaknesses turned on and off as it was convenient.
First Kylo seems emotionally affected by just killing his father. Then he's shot by Chewbacca to the point of limping and being slightly doubled over. Yet somehow he gets ahead of Rey and Finn in the forest who started running and are walking at a brisk pace by the time they crossed paths with Kylo. (I guess his weaknesses turned off during that time period).
Then Kylo is clutching his side with blood dropping to the snow when he Force chucks Rey into some trees. Then he throws a tantrum at Finn and they start dueling. Kylo clearly isn't overwhelmed by those weaknesses during this part since half his moves during their duel came with flair as if he were toying with Finn and showing off. But at least you could make an argument that he might be partially affected if you count Finn grazing Kylo on the shoulder (and if you assume Finn had little or no melee training). But that's a blind assumption.
So after being strong enough to throw Rey into some trees right around the time he was clutching his side, now he can't outpull someone who has never done it before. (I guess his weaknesses suddenly turned back on full strength again? How convenient).
Now Rey and Kylo begin lightsaber dueling... and something baffling happens. Kylo was just so weak that he lost to Rey in a Force grab competition for the lightsaber... but now his weaknesses instantly disappear as he begins skillfully dominating Rey and keeps her constantly retreating. (At least up until Rey's Force meditation moment). But Rey just woke up from being unconscious, had the presence of mind to outdo Kylo in the Force pull, but doesn't think to use the Force in dueling as soon as it starts. And doesn't think she can compete with Kylo dueling even though she just beat him with the Force. Not to mention she embarrassed him in their mind probe battle.
Then of course after Kylo locked sabres with Rey and stood there and watched her meditate in the Force, his weaknesses turn back on again.
It was just so inconsistent and poorly executed.Can't really argue with any of that. Like I said to Tristian, the execution of this scene was fumbled for the sake of a cool lightsaber fight. The only defense I can muster is that Kylo was so powerful, that a bowcaster bolt and killing his dad merely knocked him down to Finn and Rey's level as opposed to completely wrecking him.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 27, 2018 9:01:59 GMT
Yeah, I suppose it is stupid to suggest that being well versed in the defensive use of one long weapon would lend itself to the defensive use of another long weapon...because they're made out of different material. Not stupid but naive. Stick fighting is completely different from sword fighting (try it): method, technique and movement wise. It's like saying a Karate apprentice can easily do Kung Fu fighting without training and defeat a Kung Fu master.
eh, that is not how the Force works or was established. Regardless of if it's magic, the ways of Force had to be learned, we saw Luke, Anakin, Ashoka, Ezra et al go through trials and errors years of training before mastering it: from zero to hero. It starts with intuitive skills and ends with mastery like telekinesis, mind tricks, sword fighting etc. Even old magic had to be learned in fantasy movies.
The "downloading" of the Force is a lazy (Mary Sue) writing contradicting the established Saga lore. Can one also download the Dark side of the Force?, seemingly not as Kylo needed training after decades of learning from Luke and Snoke (which he never got in TLJ). Only the Sue can.
And we are both masters of smug, friend.
it was poorly executed and written: the intent was downloading the force and glorifying teh Sue character (JJ even discusses it broadly: twas the beauty that killed the beast not the wound. So, if untrained Rey must win in her first fight with the big bad why not do it in a congruent way in line with her writing background as a survivalist and dirty fighter? He is more powerful, but hurt and thus slow. She is a rooky but she is quick, she evades, lets him chase her and slowly lets him power/bleed out a la RockyIII - and when a right moment of weakness comes she strikes his sword-penis in two - not nice Disney princess like but believable... eh, btw like they did in TLJ: she beat Luke, but dirty - like Indy shot that saber guy. Decent writing helps.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 27, 2018 11:37:15 GMT
Not stupid but naive. Stick fighting is completely different from sword fighting (try it): method, technique and movement wise. It's like saying a Karate apprentice can easily do Kung Fu fighting without training and defeat a Kung Fu master. Naive in nearly any other context, yes. Don't get me wrong, I would never recommend someone learn to swordfight by beating people with sticks in real life. What I'm suggesting here is that the defensive use of one strengthened her force sensitivity, helping her use the other. An analogy might be that karate wouldn't teach you how to do kung-fu, but it would help give you the athleticism required for it. And if you're strong with the force, you can learn fast (I return again to the blindfold scene). On that note, remember that blocking some blaster bolts is apparently what taught Luke how to duel Vader. Have you ever noticed that in 8 movies, not once have we seen a character actually practice swordfighting? Force users rely on feelings and instincts - which are communicated to them through the force - as opposed to traditional talent building. Luke tries to blow up the Death Star using his actual piloting and shooting skills, and when that doesn't work, he turns to the force, and only then does he make the shot. eh, that is not how the Force works or was established. Regardless of if it's magic, the ways of Force had to be learned, we saw Luke, Anakin, Ashoka, Ezra et al go through trials and errors years of training before mastering it: from zero to hero. It starts with intuitive skills and ends with mastery like telekinesis, mind tricks, sword fighting etc. Even old magic had to be learned in fantasy movies.The force has always been reliant on instincts, from the OT (Ben to Luke: "Let go of your conscious self and act on instinct") to the PT (Qui-Gon to Annie: "feel, don't think - use your instincts"). Can one also download the Dark side of the Force?, seemingly not as Kylo needed training after decades of learning from Luke and Snoke (which he never got in TLJ). Only the Sue can. S***, I don't know. You'd think the prequels - 3 movies made to show us a guy become a Sith Lord - would have gone into some detail. Likewise, we never got to see Sidious train Vader. If he even did. Can't imagine there was much time for sessions before Annie was being sent to the temple or Mustafar, which means he was using the dark side with probably zero training, Sith eyes and all. And we are both masters of smug, friend. Got me there. it was poorly executed and written: the intent was downloading the force and glorifying teh Sue character (JJ even discusses it broadly: twas the beauty that killed the beast not the wound.
So, if untrained Rey must win in her first fight with the big bad why not do it in a congruent way in line with her writing background as a survivalist and dirty fighter? He is more powerful, but hurt and thus slow. She is a rooky but she is quick, she evades, lets him chase her and slowly lets him power/bleed out a la RockyIII - and when a right moment of weakness comes she strikes his sword-penis in two - not nice Disney princess like but believable...
eh, btw like they did in TLJ: she beat Luke, but dirty - like Indy shot that saber guy. Decent writing helps. That would have been cool. honestly.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 27, 2018 12:27:03 GMT
Not stupid but naive. Stick fighting is completely different from sword fighting (try it): method, technique and movement wise. It's like saying a Karate apprentice can easily do Kung Fu fighting without training and defeat a Kung Fu master. Naive in nearly any other context, yes. Don't get me wrong, I would never recommend someone learn to swordfight by beating people with sticks in real life. What I'm suggesting here is that the defensive use of one strengthened her force sensitivity, helping her use the other. An analogy might be that karate wouldn't teach you how to do kung-fu, but it would help give you the athleticism required for it. And if you're strong with the force, you can learn fast (I return again to the blindfold scene). On that note, remember that blocking some blaster bolts is apparently what taught Luke how to duel Vader. Have you ever noticed that in 8 movies, not once have we seen a character actually practice swordfighting? Force users rely on feelings and instincts - which are communicated to them through the force - as opposed to traditional talent building. Luke tries to blow up the Death Star using his actual piloting and shooting skills, and when that doesn't work, he turns to the force, and only then does he make the shot. eh, that is not how the Force works or was established. Regardless of if it's magic, the ways of Force had to be learned, we saw Luke, Anakin, Ashoka, Ezra et al go through trials and errors years of training before mastering it: from zero to hero. It starts with intuitive skills and ends with mastery like telekinesis, mind tricks, sword fighting etc. Even old magic had to be learned in fantasy movies.The force has always been reliant on instincts, from the OT (Ben to Luke: "Let go of your conscious self and act on instinct") to the PT (Qui-Gon to Annie: "feel, don't think - use your instincts"). Can one also download the Dark side of the Force?, seemingly not as Kylo needed training after decades of learning from Luke and Snoke (which he never got in TLJ). Only the Sue can. S***, I don't know. You'd think the prequels - 3 movies made to show us a guy become a Sith Lord - would have gone into some detail. Likewise, we never got to see Sidious train Vader. If he even did. Can't imagine there was much time for sessions before Annie was being sent to the temple or Mustafar, which means he was using the dark side with probably zero training, Sith eyes and all. And we are both masters of smug, friend. Got me there. it was poorly executed and written: the intent was downloading the force and glorifying teh Sue character (JJ even discusses it broadly: twas the beauty that killed the beast not the wound.
So, if untrained Rey must win in her first fight with the big bad why not do it in a congruent way in line with her writing background as a survivalist and dirty fighter? He is more powerful, but hurt and thus slow. She is a rooky but she is quick, she evades, lets him chase her and slowly lets him power/bleed out a la RockyIII - and when a right moment of weakness comes she strikes his sword-penis in two - not nice Disney princess like but believable...
eh, btw like they did in TLJ: she beat Luke, but dirty - like Indy shot that saber guy. Decent writing helps. That would have been cool. honestly. Fair enough, let's agree to partially agree, fellow Master Smugness. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif)
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