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Post by Skaathar on Jan 23, 2018 21:10:39 GMT
We find out in Thor Ragnarok that Jane dumped Thor, and it seemed Thor knew about it. However, the last time we see Thor is in Age of Ultron where it's hinted that Thor and Jane are still a couple and Jane was simply roaming the world in pursuit of her science. Thor doesn't get a chance to see Jane throughout the entire movie and then at the end he leaves Earth in the quest for the infinity stones.
As far as we can tell, Thor has not returned to Earth since then. So how'd Jane dump him? Did put out a billboard ad that said, "Thor, I'm dumping you.". After all, 2 random girls on the street knew about it. Did Jane broadcast it on the radio? And how did Thor know about it if he was busy traveling?
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Post by poelzig on Jan 23, 2018 21:18:11 GMT
She sent that fat chick over to tell him.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 23, 2018 21:58:01 GMT
The only way is if Heimdall relayed the message.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 24, 2018 10:50:28 GMT
The Thor franchise dumped the central relationship. It was played for jokes, and - if it's like you say - this created a logic hole, not the first in this regard. The "how" can be covered by making things up, like Thor made a secret visit to Earth or used a magic mind-com device and they, for whatever reason, decided to end the relationship, and she was questioned in the tabloid media about it, like some celebrities.
But the issue is that this was a storytelling disservice against the first two films that heavily built on this relationship being serious and a central element of the story and character development. If you just throw that relationship out of the window with a petty joke, like Luke Skywalker throws away his father's lightsaber, you de-value those narrative elements so that they become random and pointless.
Besides the (technical) plot hole you raised, it's just not good storytelling and character development. |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 24, 2018 11:44:02 GMT
The Thor franchise dumped the central relationship. It was played for jokes, and - if it's like you say - this created a logic hole, not the first in this regard. The "how" can be covered by making things up, like Thor made a secret visit to Earth or used a magic mind-com device and they, for whatever reason, decided to end the relationship, and she was questioned in the tabloid media about it, like some celebrities.
But the issue is that this was a storytelling disservice against the first two films that heavily built on this relationship being serious and a central element of the story and character development. If you just throw that relationship out of the window with a petty joke, like Luke Skywalker throws away his father's lightsaber, you de-value those narrative elements so that they become random and pointless.
Besides the (technical) plot hole you raised, it's just not good storytelling and character development. Well put. So much of Thors credibility and regal nature was destroyed by playing it off as a joke. Jane being a great example. This is the girl that Thors mother died protecting and in Ragnarok its passed off as some silly high school break up comment to a bunch of strangers in the street. Utterly demeaning. That and Thor screaming like a pansy was also pathetic. Problem is that this movie was apparently 80% improvised, and it shows. They probably just thought of these jokes and gags on the spot without a care for consistency. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 24, 2018 12:35:22 GMT
The Thor franchise dumped the central relationship. It was played for jokes, and - if it's like you say - this created a logic hole, not the first in this regard. The "how" can be covered by making things up, like Thor made a secret visit to Earth or used a magic mind-com device and they, for whatever reason, decided to end the relationship, and she was questioned in the tabloid media about it, like some celebrities.
But the issue is that this was a storytelling disservice against the first two films that heavily built on this relationship being serious and a central element of the story and character development. If you just throw that relationship out of the window with a petty joke, like Luke Skywalker throws away his father's lightsaber, you de-value those narrative elements so that they become random and pointless.
Besides the (technical) plot hole you raised, it's just not good storytelling and character development. Well put. So much of Thors credibility and regal nature was destroyed by playing it off as a joke. Jane being a great example. This is the girl that Thors mother died protecting and in Ragnarok its passed off as some silly high school break up comment to a bunch of strangers in the street. Utterly demeaning. That and Thor screaming like a pansy was also pathetic. Problem is that this movie was apparently 80% improvised, and it shows. They probably just thought of these jokes and gags on the spot without a care for consistency. we are kind of derailing the thread theme here, but this incongruent writing is just the tip of the iceberg here:
- E.g Loki is suddenly the sweet rascal sidekick, nobody can be really angry with (last film's banning of Odin, posing as Odin/leader, faking death - no issue because of reasons). - Let's not discuss Odin's treatment - The central storyline is sidelined in favor of a comedy exile-piece (consisting of pointless CGI-clobber fights, endless joke routines and 80s flair because it's so fad-y) and the bloody Ragnarök mythos is finally watered down to an afterthought of FraggleRock.
It may be part of the shared universe approach: trilogies do not need to be internally consistent, if something works with Guardians let's just force this upon the Thor films. If Avengers & IronMan worked so well let's force this on Cap abandoning him and his Hydra storyline, and lets add some Spidey and Panther origins.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 24, 2018 13:00:58 GMT
It may be part of the shared universe approach: trilogies do not need to be internally consistent, if something works with Guardians let's just force this upon the Thor films. If Avengers & IronMan worked so well let's force this on Cap abandoning him and his Hydra storyline, and lets add some Spidey and Panther origins. [/p][/quote] Which is why Thor 1 and 2 are better than Ragnarok. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 13:15:16 GMT
Well put. So much of Thors credibility and regal nature was destroyed by playing it off as a joke. Jane being a great example. This is the girl that Thors mother died protecting and in Ragnarok its passed off as some silly high school break up comment to a bunch of strangers in the street. Utterly demeaning. That and Thor screaming like a pansy was also pathetic. Problem is that this movie was apparently 80% improvised, and it shows. They probably just thought of these jokes and gags on the spot without a care for consistency.
It may be part of the shared universe approach: trilogies do not need to be utterly constrained Fixed. Why not? The Thor comics have him dealing with aliens and other planets right from the start. So it's bad to set up characters properly and remember that the characters aren't 100% standalone and no one should crossover or mention one another outside of the Avengers team up movies. Cap's story is only about Hydra (and ONLY Hydra) if you subscribe to that outdate method of storytelling where everything must be self-contained with no outside the box thinking. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 13:17:41 GMT
Well put. So much of Thors credibility and regal nature was destroyed by playing it off as a joke. They were doing that right from the first Thor. She died protecting her due to her having the Aether in her body. Like when he got tasered, injected with tranquilizer in his butt and being hit by a van? |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 24, 2018 13:25:02 GMT
They were doing that right from the first Thor. No they weren't, not to the same extent. He was speaking in Asgardian style speech in a fish out of water story but he still had intense dramatic scenes with Odin and Loki. In Ragnarok, hes just 1 note acting and talking like regular Chris Hemsworth. Doesnt matter, in Thors mind she was meant to be her true love that he was willing to go against Odins advice of marrying Sif and also Thor was going to give up the throne of Asgard for her. And Frigga was treating her very well even before they found out that the Aether was in her. All tossed away like dirt in Ragnarok. No when hes about to get his hair cut and witnessing some random dude melt next to him as if hes never seen or obliterated an alien |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 13:33:25 GMT
No they weren't, not to the same extent. He was speaking in Asgardian style speech in a fish out of water story but he still had intense dramatic scenes with Odin and Loki. In Ragnarok, hes just 1 note acting and talking like regular Chris Hemsworth. It's called character development. Kenneth Branagh disagrees, even he never saw it as a real love story all the way from the start. Blame Portman for not wanting to come back. If some crazy old dude came at you with a bunch of blades and mini-saws, how would you feel? I suppose you'd rather Thor just stoically not react to a guy getting melted at all. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 24, 2018 13:38:39 GMT
Like when he got tasered, injected with tranquilizer in his butt and being hit by a van? you know, Scabab will do just that with you if you do derail the thread and "suffocate" others again. Also, Skaathar will complain that us "DC trolls" (especially charz, lol) destroy all reasonable debate on the board.
Thus: pray tell what's your take on his OP question?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 13:42:28 GMT
you know, Scabab will do just that with you if you do derail the thread and "suffocate" others again. Hey, you guys brought up the stuff I'm replying to in the first place. Own up. The Thor/Jane thing was never meant to be a full-on romance according to Branagh, they eventually realized this and moved on with their lives. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 24, 2018 13:49:10 GMT
you know, Scabab will do just that with you if you do derail the thread and "suffocate" others again. The Thor/Jane thing was never meant to be a full-on romance according to Branagh, they eventually realized this and moved on with their lives. lol, not really, that's not how immortal romance works...
...but that is NOT the question: The OP question is HOW did Jane dump Thor given the narrative set up in the MCU movies - see OP.
You should cover that plot hole quickly before DC-Fan gets wind of it...
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 13:54:58 GMT
lol, not really, that's not how immortal romance works... Not a clichéd immortal romance, maybe. Thor defied conventions. He went back to Earth at some point after AOU but before Civil War (which is why Ross asked where he was) to see how Jane was doing. They realized it wouldn't work out, which gave him further reason for being in deep space for a while. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 24, 2018 14:01:56 GMT
lol, not really, that's not how immortal romance works... Not a clichéd immortal romance, maybe. He went back to Earth at some point after AOU but before Civil War (which is why Ross asked where he was) to see how Jane was doing. They realized it wouldn't work out, which gave him further reason for being in deep space for a while. ....fair enough I guess, sounds like the theory concocted by someone spending his youth in a basement reading comic books in lieu of exeriencing the complex nature of interhuman relations,...but fair enough. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 14:05:52 GMT
Not a clichéd immortal romance, maybe. He went back to Earth at some point after AOU but before Civil War (which is why Ross asked where he was) to see how Jane was doing. They realized it wouldn't work out, which gave him further reason for being in deep space for a while. ....fair enough I guess, sounds like the theory concocted by someone spending his youth in a basement reading comic books Nah, just someone who doesn't need to be spoonfed. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 24, 2018 15:29:18 GMT
Just because we don't see him go back to Earth doesn't mean he never did. He had plenty of time to go a see Jane and get dumped by her.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 24, 2018 15:35:30 GMT
Speaking of Jane, Natalie Portman got a easy paycheck for those films. Shame what they did to the character of Jane.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jan 24, 2018 16:16:40 GMT
Speaking of Jane, Natalie Portman got a easy paycheck for those films. Shame what they did to the character of Jane. This. It's almost better this way because Portman could not have seemed more apathetic/disinterested in the first flick. I didn't see the second one, so maybe she gets better in that. |
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