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Post by cupcakes on Jan 25, 2018 17:29:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:37:54 GMT
God rebukes Job for having the temerity as a puny human to question God. The rebuke would have come whether or not Job expressed a desire to be dead. So, using Job as "textual authority" that suicide is a sin is quite a stretch. The point is obvious. All that killing clearly proves that not all killing is murder. Thus, for killing to be murder certain conditions must be present. Might one condition for murder be that the killing is of another person? Maybe. That is something that all the murders recounted in the Bible have in common. There's not a single suicide among all the killings that the Bible regards as murder. While it's possible to make a plausible case that suicide is a Biblical sin, there is nothing definitive either way. You should stop using your smug phrase, "as per the text" and start saying something more honest (and humble) like, "the way I interpret it".
It's not smugness, but humility that drives me to use the phrasing I use, since I want to be clear in those cases that it is, definitively, not my interpretation. Killing is not murder. You are correct about that. Suicide is murder. No, a condition of murder as defined in the biblical sense is not "the killing of another person." Clearly, that is false. The distinguishing factor between righteous killing and unrighteous killing hinges on government sanctioning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:38:56 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 25, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:45:47 GMT
No, your rebuttal was weak because suicide is perfectly legal in the United States. More proof that you are nothing more than a bladder full of hot air who is only looking for the cheap gotcha moment on the nice, unsuspecting Christian poster who has the misfortune of running into one of your windbag trolls.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 25, 2018 17:51:59 GMT
tpfkar No, your rebuttal was weak because suicide is perfectly legal in the United States. More proof that you are nothing more than a bladder full of hot air who is only looking for the cheap gotcha moment on the nice, unsuspecting Christian poster who has the misfortune of running into one of your windbag trolls. Whatever it is, it's certainly not "perfectly legal". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#AmericasAnd all pure distraction for you inability to quote the Bible verse listing it as "murder". As for your continual aggrieved bawling, Who cares what you'd "love". Just try not to keep scurrying away from the point with degeneracy and frantically trying to bawl-divert things. What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 18:25:22 GMT
tpfkar No, your rebuttal was weak because suicide is perfectly legal in the United States. More proof that you are nothing more than a bladder full of hot air who is only looking for the cheap gotcha moment on the nice, unsuspecting Christian poster who has the misfortune of running into one of your windbag trolls. Whatever it is, it's certainly not "perfectly legal". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#AmericasAnd all pure distraction for you inability to quote the Bible verse listing it as "murder". As for your continual aggrieved bawling, Who cares what you'd "love". Just try not to keep scurrying away from the point with degeneracy and frantically trying to bawl-divert things. What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?"starting" has evolved into "concluded," as it relates my progression towards boredom with your lack of wit and total redundancy. I will inform you now that you are being placed on ignore. Let this be a sign unto you so that you may know your comments are no longer welcome with me. Hopefully, you'll have enough taste to avoid catcalling me from the shadows like you did to start this conversation. But a troll is as a troll does....
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Post by Isapop on Jan 25, 2018 18:27:32 GMT
God rebukes Job for having the temerity as a puny human to question God. The rebuke would have come whether or not Job expressed a desire to be dead. So, using Job as "textual authority" that suicide is a sin is quite a stretch. The point is obvious. All that killing clearly proves that not all killing is murder. Thus, for killing to be murder certain conditions must be present. Might one condition for murder be that the killing is of another person? Maybe. That is something that all the murders recounted in the Bible have in common. There's not a single suicide among all the killings that the Bible regards as murder. While it's possible to make a plausible case that suicide is a Biblical sin, there is nothing definitive either way. You should stop using your smug phrase, "as per the text" and start saying something more honest (and humble) like, "the way I interpret it".
Then by your formula, the beheadings of John the Baptist and the Apostle James were "righteous killings" since they were both government sanctioned. Obviously, your criterion fails. Not humility at all. It is arrogance because your phrasing assumes that your conclusion is the only plausible interpretation that the text permits.The weakness of your arguments are all exposed, so your assertion is only one possible interpretation of the Bible's view (if any) of suicide.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 18:32:15 GMT
Then by your formula, the beheadings of John the Baptist and the Apostle James were "righteous killings" since they were both government sanctioned. Obviously, your criterion fails. Not humility at all. It is arrogance because your phrasing assumes that your conclusion is the only plausible interpretation that the text permits.The weakness of your arguments are all exposed, so your assertion is only one possible interpretation of the Bible's view (if any) of suicide. Let me know when you're done personally attacking me and want to return to a mostly one-sided conversation about scripture does and does not say.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 25, 2018 18:33:42 GMT
tpfkar "starting" has evolved into "concluded," as it relates my progression towards boredom with your lack of wit and total redundancy. I will inform you now that you are being placed on ignore. Let this be a sign unto you so that you may know your comments are no longer welcome with me. Hopefully, you'll have enough taste to avoid catcalling me from the shadows like you did to start this conversation. But a troll is as a troll does.... You bawl , but you can't address. And I'll reply to any utter stupid as well as lies and degeneracy or anything else any time the mood strikes me, regardless of your begs. Babble, babble toil and trabble.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 25, 2018 18:59:56 GMT
Then by your formula, the beheadings of John the Baptist and the Apostle James were "righteous killings" since they were both government sanctioned. Obviously, your criterion fails. Not humility at all. It is arrogance because your phrasing assumes that your conclusion is the only plausible interpretation that the text permits.The weakness of your arguments are all exposed, so your assertion is only one possible interpretation of the Bible's view (if any) of suicide. Let me know when you're done personally attacking me and want to return to a mostly one-sided conversation about scripture does and does not say. That's something the Pharisees might well have said to Jesus after he personally attacked them. But when someone like you tries to have arrogance pass for humility, it needs to be pointed out to him. If you want to express sorrow for something, express it for your arguments, because that's where the real damage has been done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:02:46 GMT
Let me know when you're done personally attacking me and want to return to a mostly one-sided conversation about scripture does and does not say. That's something the Pharisees might well have said to Jesus after he personally attacked them. But when someone like you tries to have arrogance pass for humility, it needs to be pointed out to him. If you want to express sorrow for something, express it for your arguments, because that's where the real damage has been done.
Damage? What damage are you talking about?
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 25, 2018 22:42:24 GMT
The distinguishing factor between righteous killing and unrighteous killing hinges on government sanctioning. Then by your formula, the beheadings of John the Baptist and the Apostle James were "righteous killings" since they were both government sanctioned. Jesus? Black Hole Sun
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Post by mrellaguru on Jan 25, 2018 22:59:15 GMT
Well, the main theme of Christianity is that everything became so messed up that even God had to kill himself.
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