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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 25, 2018 15:16:08 GMT
"...we certainly never did the movie for that, and I think that you can't have it all." The MCU knows what kind of movies they're making and what kind they want to make and they know their audience, and it's the reason why they've been successful for 10 years now and still cranking them out. They're not doing it for awards. It's why the DCEU is failing. They try way to hard with their movies, and its just coming off as pretentious. The reason why Wonder Woman was even considered for the Oscar nod was because they finally listen to DC and Marvel fans and embraced their comics aspect of their characters and didn't come off as being a pretentious film trying to be deep with some thought-provoking message to win awards.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 25, 2018 15:45:55 GMT
"...we certainly never did the movie for that, and I think that you can't have it all." The MCU knows what kind of movies they're making and what kind they want to make and they know their audience, and it's the reason why they've been successful for 10 years now and still cranking them out. They're not doing it for awards. It's why the DCEU is failing. They try way to hard with their movies, and its just coming off as pretentious. The reason why Wonder Woman was even considered for the Oscar nod was because they finally listen to DC and Marvel fans and embraced their comics aspect of their characters and didn't come off as being a pretentious film trying to be deep with some thought-provoking message to win awards. Excellent Post.
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Post by scabab on Jan 25, 2018 15:51:34 GMT
But none of the DC movies are pretentious or trying to be deep.
You think a movie like Suicide Squad or Justice League was trying to be a deep and serious movie with a thought provoking message?
They aren't as light as the Marvel movies and are in general a bit darker and more serious like with Man of Steel but they aren't pretentious because of it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2018 15:55:58 GMT
But none of the DC movies are pretentious or trying to be deep. MOS and BvS tried to be. Suicide Squad, yes. Justice League is finally when they said "Aw, f*** it this isn't working" and went for something unpretentious.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 25, 2018 15:57:11 GMT
Whys she talking as if shes some experienced A list actress? She got lucky being cast, stick to looking pretty as Wonder Woman and leave the film awards to people who know about the industry.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2018 15:58:58 GMT
Whys she talking as if shes some experienced A list actress? She got lucky being cast, stick to looking pretty as Wonder Woman and leave the film awards to people who know about the industry. Yeesh, the irony is thick here.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 25, 2018 16:03:30 GMT
But none of the DC movies are pretentious or trying to be deep. You think a movie like Suicide Squad or Justice League was trying to be a deep and serious movie with a thought provoking message? They aren't as light as the Marvel movies and are in general a bit darker and more serious like with Man of Steel but they aren't pretentious because of it. Well with Justice League, they obviously learned their lesson, but the rest was just the result of two directors and a poor script as to why it was bad. And to an extent, I would say yes on Suicide Squad. Obviously, there was no message to it, but they were a bit too ambitious making dark and edgy, and it does come off as pretentious. BvS was definitely trying too hard and ends up being this pointless political thriller really rather than a genuine Superman film. I give Man of Steel a pass even though they went a little far on the edginess and darkness. It's not perfect, but I think they did strike a fine balance between a dark film and a superhero film. But since then, DC went darker, and obviously that didn't work. And Justice League was nothing but a big response and apology to their fans, which doesn't work either. Wonder Woman worked because it was a genuine superhero film first with moments of darkness in it. That's why the MCU works. They're always a superhero film first, sprinkled with some moments of darkness throughout. DC originally tried being all dark and edgy films with moments of "superhero/fun" throughout and it doesn't work for some characters. Batman is probably the only character you could really get away with a format like that, but it doesn't work with Superman, and it just ends up being ashamed of being a superhero film.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 25, 2018 16:08:52 GMT
But none of the DC movies are pretentious or trying to be deep. You think a movie like Suicide Squad or Justice League was trying to be a deep and serious movie with a thought provoking message? They aren't as light as the Marvel movies and are in general a bit darker and more serious like with Man of Steel but they aren't pretentious because of it. There was a time above... a time before... there were perfect things... diamond absolutes. But things fall... things on earth. And what falls... is fallen. In the dream, it took me to the light. A beautiful lie.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 25, 2018 16:13:49 GMT
something seeming "pretentious" is in direct correlation to one's personal incredulity, or in other words, the more things seem pretentious the dumber you are. Surely, monkeys find toilet paper pretentious, is it really? Some MCU fans here find Godfather and Citicen Kane pretentious. Some others DCEU. That subjectivism says something about the person, not the object criticized. It's a self description more than a valid realization of facts. CMBs can be mature and dark, like graphic novels, or they can be juvenile and simplistic like standard comics. DCEU just oscillates between these poles.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 25, 2018 16:19:54 GMT
Anything thats aimed at adults = pretentious
#mcufanlogic
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2018 16:35:17 GMT
something seeming "pretentious" is
The DCEU's typical approach to things.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2018 16:36:01 GMT
Anything thats considers itself profound and deep, when really it's not = pretentious #mcufanlogic Fixed.
And the idea that something good can't be appreciated by both children and adults is a silly notion in and of itself.
CW Lewis put it best:
"Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 25, 2018 16:39:10 GMT
I don't know how you make a movie about Superman in his tights and cape flying around aimed strictly at adults without being pretentious.
Superman was created for 8-10 year old children. You can expand the story to make it enjoyable for older people including adults but it can never be strictly aimed at adults without being pretentious and, frankly, silly.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 25, 2018 16:58:52 GMT
I don't know how you make a movie about Superman in his tights and cape flying around aimed strictly at adults without being pretentious. Superman was created for 8-10 year old children. You can expand the story to make it enjoyable for older people including adults but it can never be strictly aimed at adults without being pretentious and, frankly, silly. oh really, was he? Says Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Indeed very child-orientated a character.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 25, 2018 17:00:21 GMT
Good for her. She stared in a film that was a critical and financial success, she should be more proud of her hard work paying off in the end.
Now bring on Wonder Woman 2!!!
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 25, 2018 17:03:18 GMT
I don't know how you make a movie about Superman in his tights and cape flying around aimed strictly at adults without being pretentious. Superman was created for 8-10 year old children. You can expand the story to make it enjoyable for older people including adults but it can never be strictly aimed at adults without being pretentious and, frankly, silly. oh really, was he? Says Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Indeed very child-orientated a character.
Those were the early versions of the character, just like every comic book character has. But we're talking mainstream Superman that everyone knows
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 25, 2018 17:25:50 GMT
Those were the early versions of the character, just like every comic book character has. But we're talking mainstream Superman that everyone knows Most comic books and cartoons of the era featured high levels of cartoonish violence but, were still aimed at children. At the time it was though that if the consequences of the violence went unseen it would be "okay" for kids. The idea that Superman was predominantly or exclusively created for adults isn't true.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 25, 2018 17:43:19 GMT
Those were the early versions of the character, just like every comic book character has. But we're talking mainstream Superman that everyone knows the guy claimed that SM was created for 8-10 year old children, my respons was to that. In fact the character was a symbol of optimism and national strength to uplift morale in depression & war times.
And this Wiki article shows that Superman always had an dark side, the current arc-version is closer to the original Superman than anything. Like with Batman there are many versions, from Lego Supes to the Man of Steel.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2018 17:53:34 GMT
I don't know how you make a movie about Superman in his tights and cape flying around aimed strictly at adults without being pretentious. Superman was created for 8-10 year old children. You can expand the story to make it enjoyable for older people including adults but it can never be strictly aimed at adults without being pretentious and, frankly, silly. oh really, was he? Says Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Indeed very child-orientated a character.
For the 1930s, yes that is still child-oriented because it was still portrayed in a cartoonish way.
Just like Dick Tracy had plenty of violence but was still for kids.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 25, 2018 17:55:59 GMT
Why make it a Marvel vs DC thing? I didn't care for LOGAN but it was just nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay which is a giant leap for superhero movies. And that movie was aimed at adults more than children and stripped away a lot of its comic book elements, even mocking it in the movie itself.
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