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Post by sublime92 on Jan 30, 2018 7:00:22 GMT
The new logo will likely be a scalp resting on a tomahawk. You have to be representative of history.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jan 30, 2018 8:50:10 GMT
That shows it all why it needs to go.
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Jan 30, 2018 8:51:39 GMT
Post by WarrenPeace on Jan 30, 2018 8:51:39 GMT
The new logo will likely be a scalp resting on a tomahawk. You have to be representative of history. Whose scalp? White or Indian? Cause the whites scalped Indians which is where Redskin comes from which is a derogatory and racist name that also needs to be changed.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jan 30, 2018 8:56:28 GMT
More like third world since many Indian reservations are the poorest places in America and among the world.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 30, 2018 13:09:13 GMT
The weird thing is those will still be available; the logo will only be removed from uniforms and stadium insignia while Chief Wahoo merchandise will still be sold.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 13:15:08 GMT
The weird thing is those will still be available; the logo will only be removed from uniforms and stadium insignia while Chief Wahoo merchandise will still be sold. Yeah and the change isn't official until 2019. So they're giving you a full year to buy up all the racist memorabilia they've already manufactured, they wouldn't want to lose money over something as simple as human decency.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 30, 2018 16:06:45 GMT
My high school went from being the Indians to the Gladiators. It now honors people who killed for sport. Re the Washington Redskins: Two polls (Annenberg and Washington Post) show ca 90% of Native Americans do not object to the name. Furthermore, many Native Americans proudly wear Redskin paraphernalia, as anyone who's lived in New Mexico, as I have, will attest. It's a liberal war against an innocent enemy done in the name of people who don't believe in the cause. This is some of the worst cry baby bull shit I've ever heard. They didn't even have to change it, they chose to, not because there was insufferable pressure being put on them, but so they could continue to sell the, now,old 'throwback' merchandise as well as a new logo and uniform design. But there's nothing quite like a whining and complaining and bitching about other people's complaints.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 16:55:51 GMT
My high school went from being the Indians to the Gladiators. It now honors people who killed for sport. Re the Washington Redskins: Two polls (Annenberg and Washington Post) show ca 90% of Native Americans do not object to the name. Furthermore, many Native Americans proudly wear Redskin paraphernalia, as anyone who's lived in New Mexico, as I have, will attest. It's a liberal war against an innocent enemy done in the name of people who don't believe in the cause. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_name_change_advocatesBut I guess you're a more accurate source concerning Indian Affairs than the National Congress of American Indians.
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Jan 30, 2018 18:56:51 GMT
Post by bravomailer on Jan 30, 2018 18:56:51 GMT
My sources (note the plural) were two political surveys of large samples of Native Americans, not the assertion of a political body.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 19:32:29 GMT
My sources (note the plural) were two political surveys of large samples of Native Americans, not the assertion of a political body. Your sources were nonsense polls that have been debunked. They were hardly 'large samples.' Do a little research and you'll find this out pretty quickly. The Annenburg Poll is a joke, unless you think 768 people speak more for the Native Americans than that lengthy list of groups I mentioned. The Annenburg poll didn't ask for any proof of Indian heritage. I could've answered that poll if they called me and pretended to be Native American. Did you bother clicking the link I posted? Is that list long enough for you? Individuals and groups alike, all agree the name should be changed. The 'political body' you spoke of is the National Congress of American Indians, I think they have a better sense of the interests of American Indians than you or the Washington Post do. And I think if you add up those Native American groups asking for a name change, you'll come up with more than 768 people. What I find fascinating about people on your side of the argument is how far your head is up your own ass. You're upset because they took away your high school mascot. Imagine you're the one whose culture was almost completely wiped off the Earth and now your ancestors are referenced akin to wild animals for their ferocity in battle (hence their use as mascots) in the same way we revere bears and alligators. You lost your mascot. Imagine you lost your life, along with the rest of your family and your whole town. Survivors were rounded up and put onto reservations (unless anything valuable was found there, then you'd lose that land too). Then 150 years later somebody made a goofy caricature of you and monetized it while your descendants, largely living in squalor, look on helplessly from a distance-- wondering why, if they can't have their land, their culture or hope for a brighter future, they can't at the very least have their dignity. Sorry about your mascot, though. Bummer.
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Post by bravomailer on Jan 30, 2018 19:38:21 GMT
Polls > Wikipedia lists. Oh and...
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 20:10:30 GMT
National Congress of American Indians > Polls of 768 people and 504 people, respectively. I'm trying to imagine your reaction to the opposite scenario, where your viewpoint was challenged by a poll of 768 people. I'm sure those results would be just as legitimate in your mind.
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Jan 30, 2018 20:21:08 GMT
Post by MCDemuth on Jan 30, 2018 20:21:08 GMT
TO WHAT? I am so sick of all these groups bitching and stating that things need to be "changed"... and then no one has come up with any alternatives to submit to these teams, or whatever is the issue for them. If "Native Americans" hate these names and logos so much... They should get together, and create new names, new logos, and new uniforms... and submit them to these teams. I'll support them, and I'm sure many others will too. I'm sure it will be better received by these teams... instead of just calling them "racists", over decisions and stereotypes that were made decades ago, before today's players were even born...
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Jan 30, 2018 20:22:16 GMT
Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 30, 2018 20:22:16 GMT
That's Chief Boo-Hoo now.
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Jan 30, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 30, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
Actually they're both pretty cool. There's a lot of really cool pickaninny art:
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Jan 30, 2018 20:33:08 GMT
Post by bravomailer on Jan 30, 2018 20:33:08 GMT
National Congress of American Indians > Polls of 768 people and 504 people, respectively. No, it doesn't. The polls have scientific rigor; an interest group's assertion doesn't. Having worked for polling firms and polling data for decades, I'd respect the findings. But they don't exist.
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Jan 30, 2018 20:38:53 GMT
Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 30, 2018 20:38:53 GMT
Since SJW rhetoric has it that you can't be racist towards white guys, and there is a significant Polish history in Cleveland, there are rumors that they might change their name to the Cleveland Polaks with this as their logo:
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Jan 30, 2018 20:40:18 GMT
Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 20:40:18 GMT
National Congress of American Indians > Polls of 768 people and 504 people, respectively. No, it doesn't. The polls have scientific rigor; an interest group's assertion doesn't. Having worked for polling firms and polling data for decades, I'd respect the findings. But they don't exist. An 'interest group' consisting of the demographic we are discussing. Not some random activists; or better yet, not 768 random people who said yes when called and asked if they were Native American. Very scientific. www.ncai.org/
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Jan 30, 2018 21:12:38 GMT
Post by bravomailer on Jan 30, 2018 21:12:38 GMT
No, it doesn't. The polls have scientific rigor; an interest group's assertion doesn't. Having worked for polling firms and polling data for decades, I'd respect the findings. But they don't exist. An 'interest group' consisting of the demographic we are discussing. Not some random activists; or better yet, not 768 random people who said yes when called and asked if they were Native American. Very scientific. www.ncai.org/Only a political novice or a dissembler would say that an interest group represents the breadth of the people it purports to work for. Does NOW represent the breadth of women in the US? Or the American Legion the tens of millions of veterans? You couldn't possibly think the NCAA is out to advance the interests of "scholar-athletes".
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Jan 30, 2018 21:29:53 GMT
Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 30, 2018 21:29:53 GMT
An 'interest group' consisting of the demographic we are discussing. Not some random activists; or better yet, not 768 random people who said yes when called and asked if they were Native American. Very scientific. www.ncai.org/Only a political novice or a dissembler would say that an interest group represents the breadth of the people it purports to work for. Does NOW represent the breadth of women in the US? Or the American Legion the tens of millions of veterans? You couldn't possibly think the NCAA is out to advance the interests of "scholar-athletes". You're comparing the NCAA to the NCAI. It's both hilarious and desperate. 768 people were called at random and this is your only 'proof' that a majority of people in a diverse nationwide demographic agree with your point of view, while entire groups of people within said demographic (who apparently aren't real because they were mentioned on Wikipedia) are discounted because it doesn't suit your argument. That is the level of denial one has to reach to hold on to this ridiculous viewpoint. You never did respond to my earlier comments about the differences between your culture being wiped out and losing your high school mascot. Was it too much to take in or do you think there's no comparison? There really isn't, so why you're still complaining is beyond me. You lost your mascot but you got to keep everything else, including your oblivious, inane perspective (or lack thereof). I won't soon forget the ironic hilarity of you whining about losing your mascot in response to racial discrimination and degradation. Thanks, it's been fun.
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