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Post by agentblue on Jan 30, 2018 23:27:05 GMT
I just saw a video from Star Wars Theory and it said that Rian originally wrote that Luke was really there on Crait having brought his X Wing back from the depths. He then would have a fierce duel with Kylo, and eventually pull an Obiwan and sacrifice himself to save the others. I must say I like the idea of the force projection it makes him more powerful as ever. But I do wish we could have seen him have one final duel, thats something I wanted to see since I was a kid was an older more experienced Luke in a duel. I was just wondering thoughts??
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 31, 2018 2:15:47 GMT
I just saw a video from Star Wars Theory and it said that Rian originally wrote that Luke was really there on Crait having brought his X Wing back from the depths. He then would have a fierce duel with Kylo, and eventually pull an Obiwan and sacrifice himself to save the others. I must say I like the idea of the force projection it makes him more powerful as ever. But I do wish we could have seen him have one final duel, thats something I wanted to see since I was a kid was an older more experienced Luke in a duel. I was just wondering thoughts?? I begrudgingly admit that the "Force projection instead of actually dueling" thing sounds better as time goes on. Because it's been so long since he actually had a lightsaber battle. But then again Luke cut himself off from the Force. So how does he pull off these impressive displays of the Force the first time he actually uses it again in a decade or two? It doesn't matter - all this speculation. Because the Force isn't the Force anymore. It's just a very contrived McGuffin and a wish fulfillment power. It just does whatever the storyteller wants it to do. There is no logic or understanding of "the great mystery" of the Force. Like I said it's just a McGuffin. People who regularly train in the Force (Kylo) are weaker than people who never have(Rey)... or who have stopped for decades (Luke)! But remember, when Luke talked about Rey's power he said he "had only seen that kind of raw power once before!", referring to Kylo. So I guess training makes you weaker and less proficient. It's just a bunch of silly Disney magic now! If you try to reason on this stuff as actually being the Force it only leads to one of two things: a bunch of porous defenses that are just as contrived and mythologically ridiculous as Disney's SW storytelling... or a numerous face plants as you come to the realization of how bad this is if you try rationalize these Disney episodic films as real SW. |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Jan 31, 2018 4:27:16 GMT
That should've happened. If he was gonna die anyway, why not just make him actually be there so Luke, and us, can have an actual lightsaber fight?
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Post by agentblue on Jan 31, 2018 5:03:06 GMT
That should've happened. If he was gonna die anyway, why not just make him actually be there so Luke, and us, can have an actual lightsaber fight? Yes like I said I have wanted to see an older Luke have a duel since I was younger. |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jan 31, 2018 9:02:51 GMT
I just saw a video from Star Wars Theory and it said that Rian originally wrote that Luke was really there on Crait I can believe that - the business with Han's dice doesn't make any sense otherwise. A ghost from a previous version left in the final product. A bit like TFA's giant Snoke. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 31, 2018 16:45:00 GMT
But the astral projection seemed ridiculous and unnecessarily so. Plus they never fleshed out the reason that Luke wouldn’t leave the island. I’d want to have a good reason why to do the astral travel before I even try to fathom the how.
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Post by agentblue on Jan 31, 2018 20:07:02 GMT
But the astral projection seemed ridiculous and unnecessarily so. Plus they never fleshed out the reason that Luke wouldn’t leave the island. I’d want to have a could reason why to do the astral travel before I even try to fathom the how. He had no way off the planet. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 1, 2018 20:00:57 GMT
But the astral projection seemed ridiculous and unnecessarily so. Plus they never fleshed out the reason that Luke wouldn’t leave the island. I’d want to have a could reason why to do the astral travel before I even try to fathom the how. He had no way off the planet. He could have travelled with Rey and Chewie. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 1, 2018 21:09:48 GMT
But the astral projection seemed ridiculous and unnecessarily so. Plus they never fleshed out the reason that Luke wouldn’t leave the island. I’d want to have a could reason why to do the astral travel before I even try to fathom the how. He had no way off the planet. well, he still had the X-Wing. These things seem space- and swamp-proof, but if that underwater shot was to indicate that it's went down for good like Luke: fair enough but not well established. Most people thought he would pull (not try) a Yoda with it. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Feb 1, 2018 21:27:24 GMT
Kylo Ren is a cool villain.
He is NOT cool enough to warrant killing both Han Solo AND Luke Skywalker.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Feb 2, 2018 2:48:20 GMT
He had no way off the planet. well, he still had the X-Wing. These things seem space- and swamp-proof, but if that underwater shot was to indicate that it's went down for good like Luke: fair enough but not well established. Most people thought he would pull (not try) a Yoda with it. Of course not. Rian Johnson went into this film with the mindset of subverting expectations for the sake of it, in the process depriving us of cool ideas happening. "You thought Luke was gonna pilot his X-Wing one more time and redeem himself? Psych! He didn't! Didn't expect that did ya? I am a genius...""You actually thought Luke was gonna have at least one more great lightsaber fight to add to his resume and legacy and show how awesome he is at this point? Psych! He's an illusion! No lightsaber fight for you! Didn't expect that did ya? I am a genius..." |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 2, 2018 6:12:20 GMT
If he had to die - which I don't think he should have yet - I guess they did it the right way. This may be Battlefront talking, but Luke could probably distract Kylo Ren all day while the others got away without having to let Kylo kill him. And projecting himself was an admittedly cool display of force power. I think an actual lightsaber duel would have gone the same way.
That's part of why I don't mind Luke's portrayal. If he actually did try to take down Snoke and Ren, the Disney movies would have a combined running time of 20 minutes. Luke is a force demigod.
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Post by agentblue on Feb 2, 2018 7:35:17 GMT
If he had to die - which I don't think he should have yet - I guess they did it the right way. This may be Battlefront talking, but Luke could probably distract Kylo Ren all day while the others got away without having to let Kylo kill him. And projecting himself was an admittedly cool display of force power. I think an actual lightsaber duel would have gone the same way. That's part of why I don't mind Luke's portrayal. If he actually did try to take down Snoke and Ren, the Disney movies would have a combined running time of 20 minutes. Luke is a force demigod. Yeah true, I guess you could argue Luke can kill Kylo in two seconds if he really wanted to. I am just upset that we didnt get one final lightsaber duel from Mark. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Feb 2, 2018 15:50:33 GMT
If he had to die - which I don't think he should have yet - I guess they did it the right way. This may be Battlefront talking, but Luke could probably distract Kylo Ren all day while the others got away without having to let Kylo kill him. And projecting himself was an admittedly cool display of force power. I think an actual lightsaber duel would have gone the same way. That's part of why I don't mind Luke's portrayal. If he actually did try to take down Snoke and Ren, the Disney movies would have a combined running time of 20 minutes. Luke is a force demigod. This is exactly my feeling. There are only 3 ways their encounter could have ended: 1. Luke kills Kylo - Which he would never actually do. He would be tempted, he would have a moment, but he wouldn't do it. Plus, storywise, Kylo is the main villain, he doesn't die in the second movie. 2. Kylo kills Luke - As I said before, Kylo is a good villain...but he doesn't warrant being the one to kill both Han AND Luke. Plus, Luke, even being diconnected from the Force for as long as he was, should be able to kill him fairly easily, so it would have to be a sacrifice like Ben and it would be yet another story beat identical to the original trilogy. 3. A draw - Whether this is either one being saved at the last minute, or a true draw is insignificant. It would become an ultimately pointless fight, and just another version of the Kylo/Rey fight from the first film...or would become another retread of the Luke/Vader fight from Empire. This version solves all of those problems narratively, but created the problem of not seeing true badass Luke. I also agree that killing Luke seemed a bit arbitrary...but if it had to happen, it's better that he go out this way than to let Kylo kill him. |
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