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Post by wolfman on Feb 20, 2017 6:24:44 GMT
This posting format is very HFBoards-like BTW. I feel it's only a matter of time before this thread is littered with gems like :
Tavares > Toews AIAEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
signed, BenoitHogueFan33
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 20, 2017 6:28:18 GMT
How badass is that Barkov line right now? Anyone know what the final SB post was? I'm afraid I missed the apocalypse. "Philadelphia Eagles have 0 Super Bowl titles" was among the last. As it should be.
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Post by THE_PURGE on Feb 20, 2017 6:28:44 GMT
Flyers have a chance to be the first team ever to have a 10 game win streak and not make the playoffs.
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Post by wolfman on Feb 20, 2017 22:08:30 GMT
Hart TrophyIs McKenzie specifically pandering to me with this^ article? What's next, a story about how Alex Smith isn't particularly good?
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 20, 2017 22:28:00 GMT
Scheifele is FIFTH in the scoring race while Burns is THIRD? Holy shit.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 20, 2017 23:51:49 GMT
Hart TrophyIs McKenzie specifically pandering to me with this^ article? What's next, a story about how Alex Smith isn't particularly good? That's something that's always been a pet peeve for me as well. I honestly think it's used to create controversy and as an excuse to create an argument against giving it to a player simply because you don't like him. Bobby Mac is simply the absolute best media person in hockey, and probably sports. He never sensationalizes anything, even the odd time he comes close, you can tell he's likely been nudged that way by the network.
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Post by wolfman on Feb 21, 2017 4:45:05 GMT
That's something that's always been a pet peeve for me as well. I honestly think it's used to create controversy and as an excuse to create an argument against giving it to a player simply because you don't like him. Maybe. Sometimes I think it's just to make the debate more interesting by considering different ways of looking at valuable. Sometimes the "best" player can be so clear that the MVP debate would seem too boring to some. That's not to say the Hart should always go to the Ross winner or something. I don't think the scoring leader is always the best player in that year. But, I definitely don't think the award is for "worst supporting cast", either. If two players are close, and you decide to go with the guy with less help, I can see that. Like say McDavid vs. Crosby this year. The Oilers are not a very good team when McDavid is off the ice. If you prefer McDavid for that reason, I can see that. But if one player is clearly inferior, he shouldn't be MVP. I haven't agreed with every selection, but overall in my lifetime I think the NHL usually does a pretty good job with the Hart. I think the NBA has been worse. Sometimes it's as if they go out their way NOT to give it to the best player. Not necessarily because they don't like certain players, but I mean, was Steve Nash ever actually the best player in the NBA?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 21, 2017 11:41:14 GMT
I agree the NBA has been worse. I was never a Kobe fan, but surprising he only won one MVP, and he seemed to only win that one because there was no one else who made a better story, if I remember correctly. Did Karl Malone (one of my favourite players) deserve his second MVP over Jordan, or did they just get sick of giving it to Jordan every year? Same with Curry and LeBron.
Ovechkin winning in the last lockout shortened season is another one.
The first time in my life/fandom that I can think of though, was in MLB, with Mo Vaughn beating out Albert Belle. I'm sure Belle's popularity (or lack thereof) was a big part of that.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 21, 2017 14:16:32 GMT
That was a case of what have you done for me lately. Ovechkin was great in the second half while Crosby missed the last 12 games. The fact that Crosby was great for the first 75% of the season was forgotten. If their seasons played out opposite-- Ovechkin hot in the first half then cooling off in the second and Crosby missing the first 12 games then tearing through the league in the last 3/4-- then Crosby gets the Hart.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 21, 2017 15:18:23 GMT
I never mentioned Crosby, and that still doesn't make it right.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 21, 2017 17:11:25 GMT
I never mentioned Crosby, and that still doesn't make it right. You mean it shouldn't have been Crosby either?
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Post by wolfman on Feb 21, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
I agree the NBA has been worse. I was never a Kobe fan, but surprising he only won one MVP, and he seemed to only win that one because there was no one else who made a better story, if I remember correctly. Did Karl Malone (one of my favourite players) deserve his second MVP over Jordan, or did they just get sick of giving it to Jordan every year? Same with Curry and LeBron. Ovechkin winning in the last lockout shortened season is another one. The first time in my life/fandom that I can think of though, was in MLB, with Mo Vaughn beating out Albert Belle. I'm sure Belle's popularity (or lack thereof) was a big part of that. Where's Beardy when you need him? He loves talking about Belle losing to Vaughn. Probably like 4-5 guys had better years than Vaughn that year. Usually if that's the case, there's some narrative behind that player winning. Like their team was decimated by injuries and he carried them, or he led some late season push to make the playoffs or whatever. I don't even remember what the narrative with Vaughn was that year, but he clearly was not the league's best. Belle, Martinez, Thomas and Salmon all probably had better years at the plate, and it's very debatable if Vaughn even had a better year than John Valentin, Vaughn's teammate. Crosby was sort of running away with the Hart in the shortened season until Orpik blasted him in the face with a shot. (In Iginla's first game in Pittsburgh). I'm a Penguins and a Crosby fan, but I didn't have a major beef with him not winning. He missed a quarter of an already shortened season, and the Penguins going on a win streak after he went down didn't help his cause with voters. He still won the Pearson, and just barely missed out on the Hart. I still would've voted for him, but missing a quarter of a short year makes it tougher. Whether or not it still should've been Ovie in '13 is another question. But, it felt like Ovie lost the '10 Hart for the same sort of reason. He missed 10 games (I think most of them to suspension), and the Caps went 7-2-1 without him. If he played all 82, he almost surely would've won the Richard and Ross for the President's trophy winning team. Henrik got a lot of credit for holding down the fort and playing well early in the year while Daniel was injured. He won the Ross and had a great year, but I thought Ovie probably should've won in '10. Maybe they felt they owed him one in '13?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 21, 2017 17:36:42 GMT
I don't like that type of thinking though, and that still doesn't make it right. Ideally he woudn't have lost the one in '10 (I wouldn't have voted for Henrik), and you certainly should never give one out just to makeup for past "mistakes".
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 21, 2017 17:39:42 GMT
I never mentioned Crosby, and that still doesn't make it right. You mean it shouldn't have been Crosby either? That's who I would have voted for, but I didn't specifically mention him. Stamkos had a case as well. etc.
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Post by wolfman on Feb 21, 2017 17:49:39 GMT
I don't like that type of thinking though, and that still doesn't make it right. Ideally he woudn't have lost the one in '10 (I wouldn't have voted for Henrik), and you certainly should never give one out just to makeup for past "mistakes". Oh, I don't either. I don't think that's why he actually won in '13. (At least I hope not). He won because Crosby got hurt and Tampa missed the playoffs, which canceled out Stamkos and St. Louis. Tavares got the "worst supporting cast vote", even though if I recall the Isles on/off splits with Tavares weren't super drastic like McDavid's are this year. Toews got a lot of votes, too.
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 21, 2017 23:40:26 GMT
Barkov or Laine? Who do you like more going forward? I get that Laine is the rockstar, the heir apparent to the title of best goal scorer in the league, having a phenomenal rookie season at 18, but Barkov has quietly scored 80 points in his last 82 (I believe). Also plays Selke caliber defense. I just love this Panthers group (I wonder if a Bolts fan has ever said that before?) finally icing the team they were meant to. Hopefully Barkov and Huberdeau can avoid more injuries.
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 22, 2017 3:40:15 GMT
Patrik Laine hit 30 goals in his first season. No reason to think he can't hit 40 and even flirt with 50 by the end of the season.
Also, Oilers stopped in Tampa, now just 4 points out of the playoffs! And Jonathan Toews scored a hat trick in Minnesota!
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Post by wolfman on Feb 22, 2017 5:54:41 GMT
Ol' Jack Toews is on fire lately. Bergeron has 12 points in his last 10. At some point Kopitar has to get a run going too, doesn't he? Still stuck on 6 goals.
Dylan Larkin has one point in his last 12. What's up with that dude?
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Post by wolfman on Feb 22, 2017 6:15:59 GMT
Not to steal AnotherCleverName's material from like a month ago...but WTF is with the Sens?
Outside the top 20 in GF%, CF%, and SV% at 5x5, and outside the top 20 in PPG.
They don't take many penalties, but their PK isn't very good when the do.
They're only .500 vs their mediocre at best division. (yet somehow 12-4-2 against the mighty Metro)
They're 4-1 in shootouts, which helps.
Somehow they're top 10 in PTS% when it seems like they should be closer to bottom 10.
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 23, 2017 3:03:05 GMT
The Sens are destined for another first round exit. I'm thinking to the Panthers.
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