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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 6, 2018 20:27:51 GMT
Watching the Packers win Super Bowl XLV was so much fun. The only interest I had in watching Super Bowl XLVII was to see the Niners lose. The fact that they played the Ravens was secondary. Who's your team then? The Bengals. The only reason I had pride was 2014, when all four AFC North teams had seven wins, Including the Browns. Seems so long ago.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 6, 2018 20:28:47 GMT
Never, never, never I say. I don't hate the Yankees, Patriots or any division rival. But if the Yankees lose 100 games for the next 10 years of if the Pats miss the playoff for the rest of my life, I'd shed no tears. but doesn't it make that 'fruit' so much sweeter when you break their hearts? been to some dud games in my life whether it be the celts, rangers, pens, mets, braves, cowboys, giants, 'skins when everyone involved (including our home teams) were putrid.... to me - the great thing about these rivalries is the anticipation leading up to heading down the game or even watching it on TV when your rival is on par with you, may be superior, or fighting for their lives. few years back - was during the Phils 2007-2011 run - the Braves came in here the last week of the season or so with a chance at the wildcard with a 4 game set here. phils kicked the living sh*t out of them sending them packing for the year. it was around 2006-2008 or so - Mets had previously been at the top of the division and Jimmy Rollins came out and stated the Phils were the 'team to beat' - what made it fun - they came out of nowhere at the end of the year and overtook the Mutts a couple of times. that's what makes these rivalries great to me. If I'm getting the gist of what you're saying... Was the 2004 ALCS sweet, hell yes. Was it sweeter because it was the Yankees and not the Twins? Hell, Hell yes. Would it have been sweet if the Cardinals won the World Series after that? Hell no. It would have been 1967, 1975, 1978, 1986, 2003 all over again. Worse. Been akin to the USA Hockey team in 1980 beating the Soviets and then losing to Finland in the last game. It's good to piss on a division rival, but the championship is all that matters. And, unless you're talking college athletics, you can't play a division rival in a title matchup.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 20:52:26 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 7, 2018 2:28:28 GMT
The Bengals. The only reason I had pride was 2014, when all four AFC North teams had seven wins, Including the Browns. Seems so long ago. So why hate the 9ers?
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 7, 2018 2:30:25 GMT
The Bengals. The only reason I had pride was 2014, when all four AFC North teams had seven wins, Including the Browns. Seems so long ago. So why hate the 9ers? The Bengals have been to the Super Bowl twice, losing both games to the 49ers.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 7, 2018 3:25:31 GMT
The Bengals have been to the Super Bowl twice, losing both games to the 49ers. I'm sure Pats fans hate the Giants, for similar reasons.
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 7, 2018 3:30:46 GMT
The Bengals have been to the Super Bowl twice, losing both games to the 49ers. I'm sure Pats fans hate the Giants, for similar reasons. Well, yes. The Giants humiliated them twice and ruined their bid for a perfect season. But the Patriots have been to 10 Super Bowls. The Bengals have had a pretty miserable existence, and lost 100% of their Super Bowls to the 49ers. I can understand the hatred.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 7, 2018 3:36:35 GMT
As a Cowboys fan I wanted Super Bowl 52 to end with the Eagles' first win rather than the Patriots' 6th. As for rivalries, there's more to them than division or geography.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 28, 2018 5:05:37 GMT
The only time in pro sports I don't mind is if an AL East team goes to the WS & loses. Seeing an AL East team other than Toronto swipe away a Central or West team is kinda fine with me. Championship title? No.
Of course I do buy into NCAA conference pride as it were because with stupid polls, the better the ACC top to bottom, the better it looks for Florida State. I'd rather only records matter but they don't.
I guess in the NBA an Eastern team in the Finals when the Raptors aren't in contention isn't the worst. Again, as long as the Raptors are hovering around 50 wins or more, that goes out the window. Maybe there's a bit of that with the NHL, though less so because there's more bitter rivals for the Leafs than the Raptors. Conference 'pride' in pro sports I guess only because geography, absolutely no other reason.
NFL? Every other team but the Patriots can blow me.
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Post by weststigersbob on Feb 28, 2018 11:21:51 GMT
I will NEVER understand “Division Pride”. What a bizarre concept. If I start seeing wankers answering questions like “Who do you support/barrack/root for ?” And they reply with AL Central, NFC West or worse Metropolitan Division - I’ll officially give up on American Sports. Pick a club, and stick with them. The rest can get stuffed. Sure, have “soft spots” for certain teams, and a less intense hatred of others. But in absolutely no way known should there any “pride” felt because a club other than your own wins something for any reason at all.
Now, this applies to AMERICAN sports and sports organised elsewhere along similar lines like AUSTRALIAN sports. EUROPEAN Sports, especially Football (soccer) and doubly English Football, are totally different - like Father Jack has explained. It’s perfectly normal for someone to support a big club, a local club, and maybe also a club from their childhood. However, if a local club similar to or close to your local club goes on a cup run, it’s perfectly normal for you to support them in that comp, but then hate them again next week in the local comp.
As an example, when Nottingham Forest were on their way to winning the European Cup back in the day, several members of my extended family who supported clubs like Notts County, Derby County and Mansfield temporarily became Forest fans in that comp, and were much more supportive and happy that they won than say Liverpool, Everton or Villa......
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Post by someguy on Feb 28, 2018 16:44:22 GMT
No, it goes against the definition of rivalry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 17:09:41 GMT
In soccer, are you happy when a team from your country wins the European Championship? Because I'm not supporting Man U or Celtic just because they're British.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 28, 2018 17:54:35 GMT
This is a dumb mentality. I agree. I had a Cowboys fan tell me the other day he was rooting for the Eagles. He said he always cheers for the NFC East. This makes no sense to me. If the Eagles are out of it, the last three teams on Earth I want to win are the Cowboys, Redskins, and Giants. I hate the teams and hope they lose every game they play. Why on Earth would I ever want to see the Cowboys win a Super Bowl? I just never got it.
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Post by weststigersbob on Feb 28, 2018 21:07:41 GMT
In soccer, are you happy when a team from your country wins the European Championship? Because I'm not supporting Man U or Celtic just because they're British. It depends on the club and who you support. Basically - the bigger the club doing well, the less fans from other clubs gravitate towards them. Therefore, Man Utd and Liverpool will hardly get any ‘bandwagoners’. Celtic and Rangers the same. But look at the wave Leicester rode a few years ago. If, say, Burnley make the UCL - and make the quarters/semis - all bar the most ardent of Blackburn fans will probably be right behind them. In the group stage, fans of clubs like Bolton, Wigan, Rochdale, Bury - will probably be behind them too because of the local club factor and European competition at Turf Moor. Exact same competition at Old Trafford or Etihad - those exact same fans won’t give a stuff really.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 28, 2018 22:29:16 GMT
In soccer, are you happy when a team from your country wins the European Championship? Because I'm not supporting Man U or Celtic just because they're British. If I were say a Barcelona fan I would definitely not want to see Real Madrid winning anything, but I imagine I would root for any other Spanish team if they were in the Champions league final
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 23:32:41 GMT
No, it goes against the definition of rivalry. I find the viewpoint of the majority here amazing. You're not rooting for your 'rival' to be better than your particular team - In my situation - you're rooting for them to be 'good' so you can break their heart and it makes the viewing much better. And if 'your' team is not 'good enough' - and your 'rival' happens to win a title? Makes the games the next year that much sweeter when they come onto your home turf - to knock off 'The Champs' and hated rival coming into your hometown. Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 2-14 Cowboys - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 20-62 Celtics - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 62-100 Mets - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 30-40-12 Pens - makes for such a great 'rivalry' I also love going to my local basketball court and whipping up on the below and dunking on them on an 8 foot rim: What fun!!!
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 1, 2018 2:27:08 GMT
I find this quite interesting. My answer is Hell No btw. So someone is arguing that Collingwood beating Essendon on Anzac Day in front of 90'000 people would be even sweeter if Essendon were defending premiers. Bollocks. I want to see Essendon lose every game. I want to see them lose to us on Anzac Day every year and miss the finals every year. Same with Carlton, who have been irrelevant for 16 years now. I don't want to see this run of futility stop.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 1, 2018 5:56:13 GMT
No, it goes against the definition of rivalry. I find the viewpoint of the majority here amazing. You're not rooting for your 'rival' to be better than your particular team - In my situation - you're rooting for them to be 'good' so you can break their heart and it makes the viewing much better. And if 'your' team is not 'good enough' - and your 'rival' happens to win a title? Makes the games the next year that much sweeter when they come onto your home turf - to knock off 'The Champs' and hated rival coming into your hometown. I feel like we've had this discussion before, but you're saying it's great when the Giants or Cowboys win the Super Bowl just because it makes the next regular season game against them more exciting? That's just silly, bud. Anyway this thread isn't about that, it's about fans aligning themselves with support of their rival team's success based on the fact that they share a division.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 1, 2018 12:13:37 GMT
No, it goes against the definition of rivalry. I find the viewpoint of the majority here amazing. You're not rooting for your 'rival' to be better than your particular team - In my situation - you're rooting for them to be 'good' so you can break their heart and it makes the viewing much better. And if 'your' team is not 'good enough' - and your 'rival' happens to win a title? Makes the games the next year that much sweeter when they come onto your home turf - to knock off 'The Champs' and hated rival coming into your hometown. Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 2-14 Cowboys - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 20-62 Celtics - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 62-100 Mets - makes for such a great 'rivalry' Yay!!! - I just love beating up on the 30-40-12 Pens - makes for such a great 'rivalry' I also love going to my local basketball court and whipping up on the below and dunking on them on an 8 foot rim: What fun!!! Yes, it IS fun. If the Cowboys go 2-14 next year and my Eagles whoop up on them badly in two games, I would find it hilarious and wildly entertaining. This is because I hate the Cowboys with every fiber of my being. I would hope that a Cowboys fan would say the same thing about my Eagles.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Mar 1, 2018 15:41:39 GMT
I'm sure Pats fans hate the Giants, for similar reasons. Well, yes. The Giants humiliated them twice and ruined their bid for a perfect season. But the Patriots have been to 10 Super Bowls. The Bengals have had a pretty miserable existence, and lost 100% of their Super Bowls to the 49ers. I can understand the hatred. Since 1991. Let's make that clear. And only five playoff wins all time, the same number it was then as it is now.
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