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Post by outrider127 on Feb 6, 2018 23:45:36 GMT
And a whole new different cast, Thank God
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 6, 2018 23:53:11 GMT
I wonder if they'll go through with Johnson's trilogy after TLJ. You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? As well as tons of fan backlash.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 7, 2018 0:39:50 GMT
Whether backlash or not and using new people or not, you know Disney will release anything it can so it can slap the Star Wars label on it and make a guaranteed buck.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 7, 2018 1:03:11 GMT
Is this where it can be pointed out that Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and The Greatest Showman, two movies both in the 7th week of wide release, are also in the top five of last weekend's box office. Star Wars: The Last Jedi, that was nowhere to be found- top box office grossing movie of 2017 notwithstanding.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 3:08:54 GMT
You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? As well as tons of fan backlash. As well as tons of support. However, let's assume a bunch of people not realizing that Luke has been whining the whole time are mad that he is whining in this one are upset. The success of it proves that SW can move on without that kind of fan baggage (Even though they will be back too...)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 3:15:27 GMT
Is this where it can be pointed out that Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and The Greatest Showman, two movies both in the 7th week of wide release, are also in the top five of last weekend's box office. Star Wars: The Last Jedi, that was nowhere to be found- top box office grossing movie of 2017 notwithstanding. And? Are you thinking that TLJ is supposed to be #1 still? Next thing you know people will start bringing up China...
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 7, 2018 5:22:50 GMT
As well as tons of fan backlash. As well as tons of support. However, let's assume a bunch of people not realizing that Luke has been whining the whole time are mad that he is whining in this one are upset. The success of it proves that SW can move on without that kind of fan baggage (Even though they will be back too...) Including from myself. I just feel like I'm working overtime defending it from basically everyone I encounter.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Feb 7, 2018 9:25:40 GMT
So we're getting another group of films in addition to the new upcoming trilogy from Rian Johnson as well as the spinoffs? The oversaturation continues......... New catergory for Oscars 2021: Best Star Wars Film
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 7, 2018 9:29:12 GMT
Is this where it can be pointed out that Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and The Greatest Showman, two movies both in the 7th week of wide release, are also in the top five of last weekend's box office. Star Wars: The Last Jedi, that was nowhere to be found- top box office grossing movie of 2017 notwithstanding. And? Are you thinking that TLJ is supposed to be #1 still? Next thing you know people will start bringing up China... No. I was one of those quietly celebrating Jumanji being #1 for three weeks in a row. I'm one of those who don't care all too much about Star Wars. I'm sort of bewildered about a faction of viewers of the recent movie who throw around the words "political correctness" to express their displeasure.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 7, 2018 10:40:18 GMT
You can never have too much Star Wars! I think Disney is about to put that statement to the test. it's not a question of quantity but quality. The qualityso far was mixed at best , low-quality quantities make things worse though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 7, 2018 11:21:43 GMT
You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? As well as tons of fan backlash. You are right that Disney/LF/Kennedy might feel that RJ as a person was tainted by the backlash and they finally decide to abandon his trilogy to avoid a negative dynamic a la Snyder in the DCEU.
But in the end it will greatly depend on the concepts and ideas he pitched: If those are good and promising (and there are not much of alternatives), they will follow through with it, maybe just not let him direct.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 11:39:44 GMT
As well as tons of fan backlash. You are right that Disney/LF/Kennedy might feel that RJ as a person was tainted by the backlash and they finally decide to abandon his trilogy to avoid a negative dynamic a la Snyder in the DCEU.
But in the end it will greatly depend on the concepts and ideas he pitched: If those are good and promising (and there are not much of alternatives), they will follow through with it, maybe just not let him direct.
They loved his pitch for Last Jedi and most of the whining has been about the legacy characters which won't be an issue.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 11:46:30 GMT
As well as tons of support. However, let's assume a bunch of people not realizing that Luke has been whining the whole time are mad that he is whining in this one are upset. The success of it proves that SW can move on without that kind of fan baggage (Even though they will be back too...) Including from myself. I just feel like I'm working overtime defending it from basically everyone I encounter. I have never had a problem defending the movie because most of the complaints are on the silly side...If they exost at all. A lot of them are just adamant about the fact they didn't like it. I can't respect an argument based on someone creating a new story. This is what happens when you let fanfiction run rampant over an actual storyline. It is a vocal minority and the majority of people thought the movie was at least fine enough to not be poisoned for a lifetime on the Star Wars experience. The reality is there is no way to translate its success into anything other than a win for Disney and they likely aren't going to punish the director for people they don't need but will get anyway.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 7, 2018 14:57:48 GMT
Thank you. It's nice to not see a knee-jerk negative reaction every time news breaks.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 7, 2018 15:37:08 GMT
I wonder if they'll go through with Johnson's trilogy after TLJ. You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? My bet is yes... It made $700M less than the previous film. Star Wars is trending down, not up at the BO.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 15:39:44 GMT
You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? My bet is yes... It made $700M less than the previous film. Star Wars is trending down, not up at the BO. Of course it did. It doesn't change that it made well over a billion dollars and quite profitable. It was a ht. It's time for people to get over that very obvious fact
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 7, 2018 15:41:28 GMT
You mean after the second highest grossing Star Wars movie with tons of critical acclaim? My bet is yes... It made $700M less than the previous film. Star Wars is trending down, not up at the BO. The second film of each Star Wars Trilogy has made less than the first. It's normal.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 7, 2018 16:12:36 GMT
It made $700M less than the previous film. Star Wars is trending down, not up at the BO. Of course it did. It doesn't change that it made well over a billion dollars and quite profitable. It was a ht. It's time for people to get over that very obvious fact It made $700M less than its predecessor. It's time for people to stop pointing to the BO to prove the film was good when it has historically low audience scores for the franchise and it had a historic loss from film to film in a franchise. It wasn't a bomb, I'm aware of that. But you shouldn't tout the BO as the deciding factor when it performed poorly in comparison to the previous installment. I didn't like it, you did and that's fine. But money does not equal quality, or are you a fan of the Transformers movies as well?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 7, 2018 16:21:28 GMT
Of course it did. It doesn't change that it made well over a billion dollars and quite profitable. It was a ht. It's time for people to get over that very obvious fact It made $700M less than its predecessor. It's time for people to stop pointing to the BO to prove the film was good when it has historically low audience scores for the franchise and it had a historic loss from film to film in a franchise. It wasn't a bomb, I'm aware of that. But you shouldn't tout the BO as the deciding factor when it performed poorly in comparison to the previous installment. I didn't like it, you did and that's fine. But money does not equal quality, or are you a fan of the Transformers movies as well? I'm not the one discussing box office as if it mattered how good the movie is. I am saying only an idiot would say the film wasn't a success. I wold be more than happy to discuss the incorrect reasons why the movie stunk if only people had the nerve to present something.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 7, 2018 16:57:50 GMT
It made $700M less than its predecessor. It's time for people to stop pointing to the BO to prove the film was good when it has historically low audience scores for the franchise and it had a historic loss from film to film in a franchise. It wasn't a bomb, I'm aware of that. But you shouldn't tout the BO as the deciding factor when it performed poorly in comparison to the previous installment. I didn't like it, you did and that's fine. But money does not equal quality, or are you a fan of the Transformers movies as well? I wold be more than happy to discuss the incorrect reasons why the movie stunk if only people had the nerve to present something. lol, I hope you are trolling with this. There are countless reviews doing just that.
Then again: Your stating "a bunch of people not realizing that Luke has been whining the whole time are mad that he is whining in this one are upset." shows that you may per se lack problem awarness and issue analysis skills.
The issue is not so much Luke whining - Luke started out a whining kid but ended a tragic Jedi hero not whining anymore (that's called an arc, sorry if you missed it). But peoples' core probelm is that a idealistic hero character willing to sacrifice himself and to redeem the greatest criminal (Vader) in the OT, now in TLJ is suddenly morphed into a frustrated cynic who let his new Jedi order be destroyed again, but then did NOT even ATTEMPT to clean up and redeem, but let the FO/Empire rise (killing billions) - and just fled to an "unfindable" island to pout and die without caring anymore (yeah and somehow left a map too).
To add insult to injury, Luke mutated into a murder-my-young-nephew-in-his-sleep psycho bc Luke felt the dark side growing in the kid. All that negative character development is possible of course - but if you deconstruct such a iconic hero then you need to write it properly and believably.
And what about all the plot holes and plot redundancies, and just badly written fortune cookie scenes?
To give you an idea just take this critique (part 1 of 3)
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