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Post by geode on Feb 9, 2018 6:58:56 GMT
In your opinion from which county on balance come the most interesting films? Usually the term "International Cinema" will exclude the U.S. and usually the U.K. and Canada because of the English language thing, but perhaps not so much Australia. Anyway, My question is wide open. The U.S. releases a lot of movies, so they will have a lot of winners....but also a lot of trash, so percentage wise they might not be best.
The last few years I have found that Japanese cinema interests me most in terms of the percentage of movies I find interesting coming from one country.
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Post by mikef6 on Feb 9, 2018 19:50:44 GMT
For action and adventure, I usually turn to Asia, mainly China.
For animation, Japan.
For drama, Japan and France.
South Korea is a rising force in international film making.
Of course, other countries have great films in all these categories, including, sometimes, the Good Ol' U. S. of A.
My Top 10 of the Decade Thus Far come from:
1. Germany
2. Poland
3. United States
4. French Canadian
5. United States
6. France
7. United States
8. Chile
9. Netherlands
10. France
So, really, I'm all over the place.
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Post by geode on Feb 10, 2018 16:11:42 GMT
For action and adventure, I usually turn to Asia, mainly China. For animation, Japan. For drama, Japan and France. South Korea is a rising force in international film making. Of course, other countries have great films in all these categories, including, sometimes, the Good Ol' U. S. of A. My Top 10 of the Decade Thus Far come from: 1. Germany 2. Poland 3. United States 4. French Canadian 5. United States 6. France 7. United States 8. Chile 9. Netherlands 10. France So, really, I'm all over the place. What were the titles of your top 10? |
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Post by mikef6 on Feb 10, 2018 21:19:46 GMT
For action and adventure, I usually turn to Asia, mainly China. For animation, Japan. For drama, Japan and France. South Korea is a rising force in international film making. Of course, other countries have great films in all these categories, including, sometimes, the Good Ol' U. S. of A. My Top 10 of the Decade Thus Far come from: 1. Germany 2. Poland 3. United States 4. French Canadian 5. United States 6. France 7. United States 8. Chile 9. Netherlands 10. France So, really, I'm all over the place. What were the titles of your top 10? 1. Phoenix / Christian Petzold (2014) 2. Ida / Pawel Pawlikowski (2013) 3. Margaret / Kenneth Lonergan (2011) 4. Incendies (Scorched) / Denis Villeneuve (2010) 5. Much Ado About Nothing / Joss Whedon (2012) 6. The Clouds Of Sils Maria / Olivier Assayas (2014) 7. Tower / Keith Maitland (2016) 8. Neruda / Pablo Larrain (2015) 9. Riphagen / Pieter Kuijpers (2016) 10. Les Adieux À La Reine (Farewell, My Queen) / Benoît Jacquot (2012) |
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 3, 2018 7:56:01 GMT
It's hard to beat the US, but for me Japan comes close. I've easily seen more films from there than anywhere else, save the US. Have enjoyed films from the early sound days of the 30s, the 50s "Golden Age", the New Wave of the 60s and 70s and more recent films including Anime.
France would probably be next, though my experience is more limited to the 30s to 80s.
China/Taiwan and Hong Kong have also produced some great stuff, especially from the 80s onwards.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 3, 2018 19:52:17 GMT
Historically Italy blows away every other country. The 1960s was owned by Italy.
Germany had some pioneers like Murnau, Lang, etc. and with the Krimi and Karl May westerns, helped pioneer the spy, giallo, and euro-western.
The US is too fragmented to define specifically as a national cinema (as someone from Wisconsin corrected me, Hollywood does not represent American culture). Walt Disney might define some American cinematic sense.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 14, 2018 14:44:47 GMT
South Korea has come a long way; I generally look forward to their international releases. Hadn't seen much from China and almost nothing from Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 2:00:08 GMT
The best films of the 21st century are made in England, in my opinion. That trend started in the 1980s with James Ivory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 9:21:24 GMT
United States
United Kingdom
Germany
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Russia
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Post by Captain Spencer on Aug 29, 2018 16:36:15 GMT
Italy and Germany.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:34:48 GMT
The U.S. releases a lot of movies, so they will have a lot of winners....but also a lot of trashBut that would apply to every single country who make movies? So not a good argument. |
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Post by geode on Aug 31, 2018 12:48:54 GMT
The U.S. releases a lot of movies, so they will have a lot of winners....but also a lot of trashBut that would apply to every single country who make movies? So not a good argument. Yes, every country has releases that are poor. But I think my argument, if in fact I was making one, to be excellent. I was only making a statement about judging a country's output on a percentage basis rather than just the quantity of superior productions. The United States releases many more movies than virtually any other country except India. As such it has an advantage in terms of quantity over countries with much smaller industries that may actually consistently make a higher percentage of superior movies. So it may be valid to consider them better than the U.S. from this point of view. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 31, 2018 12:49:48 GMT
Hollywood easily wins in my book.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Aug 31, 2018 15:23:00 GMT
Murica
Japan for Anime manga
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 8, 2019 17:25:13 GMT
In your opinion from which county on balance come the most interesting films? Usually the term "International Cinema" will exclude the U.S. and usually the U.K. and Canada because of the English language thing, but perhaps not so much Australia. Anyway, My question is wide open. The U.S. releases a lot of movies, so they will have a lot of winners....but also a lot of trash, so percentage wise they might not be best. The last few years I have found that Japanese cinema interests me most in terms of the percentage of movies I find interesting coming from one country. Very difficult to answer this as there's no way quantify such a subjective thing.
I say that different cinema industries have been relatively better or worse in different time periods. If you classify films as per decades then I will say the 1920s belonged to Germany.
You had The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) by Robert Wiene which set the stage for German Expressionism. That was followed by F.W. Murnau's epic Nosferatu (1922). His other movie Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) has been praised by many as being the greatest film of the silent era. Then you had the genius Fritz Lang with his incredible classics like Metropolis (1927) and M (1931). Not to forget his other masterpieces such as The Testament of Dr.Mabuse series and Destiny (1921). You had Austrian director G. W. Pabst had fair amount of success in Germany with movies such as Pandora's Box (1929). The thing is that Germany set a very high standard in the 20s. Film industries around the world gained from them. Those movies were path-breaking and the film making was inspirational.
You can make case for Japan in the 50s and early 60s with incredible directors such as Ozu, Mizoguchi, Kurosawa, Ichikawa, Kobayashi, Imamura, Naruse, Teshigahara and Shindo to name a few. You have a very high quality right there. In terms of greatness, you can't better that kind of list in any specific period of 10 years. Those are very diverse and very innovative directors.
My personal belief is that the best of movies of past were better than the best of movies of today. Although it may be true that the overall average of movies may not have fallen. I am willing to accept if anyone differs with me. As I said it is a subjective opinion and people are bound to have different views. But my view is that the qualities of the best and the top tier movies have declined now. I don't find many Luis Bunuels or Ingmar Bergmans in our era.
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Post by geode on Feb 9, 2019 12:43:50 GMT
In your opinion from which county on balance come the most interesting films? Usually the term "International Cinema" will exclude the U.S. and usually the U.K. and Canada because of the English language thing, but perhaps not so much Australia. Anyway, My question is wide open. The U.S. releases a lot of movies, so they will have a lot of winners....but also a lot of trash, so percentage wise they might not be best. The last few years I have found that Japanese cinema interests me most in terms of the percentage of movies I find interesting coming from one country. Very difficult to answer this as there's no way quantify such a subjective thing.
I say that different cinema industries have been relatively better or worse in different time periods. If you classify films as per decades then I will say the 1920s belonged to Germany.
You had The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) by Robert Wiene which set the stage for German Expressionism. That was followed by F.W. Murnau's epic Nosferatu (1922). His other movie Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) has been praised by many as being the greatest film of the silent era. Then you had the genius Fritz Lang with his incredible classics like Metropolis (1927) and M (1931). Not to forget his other masterpieces such as The Testament of Dr.Mabuse series and Destiny (1921). You had Austrian director G. W. Pabst had fair amount of success in Germany with movies such as Pandora's Box (1929). The thing is that Germany set a very high standard in the 20s. Film industries around the world gained from them. Those movies were path-breaking and the film making was inspirational.
You can make case for Japan in the 50s and early 60s with incredible directors such as Ozu, Mizoguchi, Kurosawa, Ichikawa, Kobayashi, Imamura, Naruse, Teshigahara and Shindo to name a few. You have a very high quality right there. In terms of greatness, you can't better that kind of list in any specific period of 10 years. Those are very diverse and very innovative directors.
My personal belief is that the best of movies of past were better than the best of movies of today. Although it may be true that the overall average of movies may not have fallen. I am willing to accept if anyone differs with me. As I said it is a subjective opinion and people are bound to have different views. But my view is that the qualities of the best and the top tier movies have declined now. I don't find many Luis Bunuels or Ingmar Bergmans in our era.
I agree that any preference will be very sibjective. I suppose one could set boundaries in an attempt to be quantitative, such as using ratings at IMDb or Rotten Tomatoes but these are a summation of individual opinions. I agree that different decades will see different countries in greater or lessor dominance. Germany certainly had directors that were pushing boundaries in the 1920s. I also agree that our current era does is not producing as much in the top tier. I actually created a top films list and graphed them by year. This produced sort of a bell curve that peaked at 1949 and tailed off from that year in either direction. But my question really was about the present, or the past few years. |
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