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Post by fartyfartsalot on Feb 10, 2018 19:50:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:46:06 GMT
It's pretty good but not as good as Jerry maguire
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Post by Marv on Feb 10, 2018 21:10:09 GMT
Im inclined to say yes. Having said that i havent felt the desire to rewatch SLP but i have rewatch Jerry Maguire several times over the years.
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Post by jcush on Feb 10, 2018 21:51:55 GMT
I really like both, but I prefer SLP.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 11, 2018 2:01:22 GMT
No, it's not even close... -Jerry Maguire (1996) - 9/10 (within my Top 26 movies and is my #1 Tom Cruise movie (no one beats Tom Cruise filmography in general as he's got 13 movies I score a 7/10 or higher). April 19th 2016 is my most recent re-watch of this.) -Silver Linings Playbook (2012) - 5/10 (Thumbs Down (it's watchable, but forgettable)) Marv No offense, but that makes no sense as what's said there conflicts quite a bit. clearly Jerry Maguire is superior for you given the re-watch factor as you having no desire to re-watch SLP speaks volumes about it. hence, it's not even close to Jerry Maguire but yet you said 'Yes'. because as I always say a movies true worth is whether it's a movie you want to re-watch from time-to-time as the years pass or not this separates the truly good movies from the 'just another movie' type of movie. p.s. in the long run... SLP will be forgotten, as I think it mostly is already, where as Jerry Maguire will not be forgotten especially given Tom Cruise is tied to it and he's someone who will be remembered a long time from now. I think Jerry Maguire is also THE movie people will remember Cuba Gooding Jr for also which further amps up the movie. |
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Post by Sulla on Feb 11, 2018 2:11:37 GMT
I've seen SLP only once. I like it, but Jerry Maguire is better.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 11, 2018 2:52:38 GMT
No, it's not even close... -Jerry Maguire (1996) - 9/10 (within my Top 26 movies and is my #1 Tom Cruise movie (no one beats Tom Cruise filmography in general as he's got 13 movies I score a 7/10 or higher). April 19th 2016 is my most recent re-watch of this.) -Silver Linings Playbook (2012) - 5/10 (Thumbs Down (it's watchable, but forgettable)) Marv No offense, but that makes no sense as what's said there conflicts quite a bit. clearly Jerry Maguire is superior for you given the re-watch factor as you having no desire to re-watch SLP speaks volumes about it. hence, it's not even close to Jerry Maguire but yet you said 'Yes'. because as I always say a movies true worth is whether it's a movie you want to re-watch from time-to-time as the years pass or not this separates the truly good movies from the 'just another movie' type of movie. p.s. in the long run... SLP will be forgotten, as I think it mostly is already, where as Jerry Maguire will not be forgotten especially given Tom Cruise is tied to it and he's someone who will be remembered a long time from now. I think Jerry Maguire is also THE movie people will remember Cuba Gooding Jr for also which further amps up the movie. How many times do I have to tell you. Not everyone judges a movie's quality on re-watch value. I feel that explaining the reasons to you will be pointless because you simply don't see movies they same way I do. |
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 11, 2018 3:10:51 GMT
moviemouth True, but for someone who does re-watch shows, which apparently that person does, then clearly re-watch matters for them as it makes no sense to say a show is about on par with another show if you personally don't care for it which obviously this person does not given the re-watch of Jerry Maguire quite a few times as the years passed but does not feel that way on SLP. like I said, that speaks volumes. the true gems are ones that hold up on re-watches as the ones that do not, simply ain't that great. I can't see how anyone would disagree with my basic point there because when you look at the classics amongst the general public... it's pretty safe to say many of them re-watch those from time-to-time as the years pass. I never understood how someone can praise something only to never see it again as it's like a quality song, you want to experience it again and again as the years pass.
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Post by petrolino on Feb 11, 2018 3:16:39 GMT
I prefer 'Silver Linings Playbook'. I found it quite affecting. Congrats Eagles!
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 11, 2018 3:33:49 GMT
moviemouth True, but for someone who does re-watch shows, which apparently that person does, then clearly re-watch matters for them as it makes no sense to say a show is about on par with another show if you personally don't care for it which obviously this person does not given the re-watch of Jerry Maguire quite a few times as the years passed but does not feel that way on SLP. like I said, that speaks volumes. the true gems are ones that hold up on re-watches as the ones that do not, simply ain't that great. I can't see how anyone would disagree with my basic point there because when you look at the classics amongst the general public... it's pretty safe to say many of them re-watch those from time-to-time as the years pass. I never understood how someone can praise something only to never see it again as it's like a quality song, you want to experience it again and again as the years pass. There is a difference between movies not holding up on re-watch and just not having an urge to re-watch the movie. For me the true worth of a movie doesn't depend on wanting to re-watch it but in how it effected me when I watched it the first time. There might not be any need to re-watch certain movies I love because I carry those movies with me in my mind at all times, they speak to me on a deep personal level and have changed my life in ways. Movies I re-watch the most tend to be for entertainment most of the time, but movies that are mostly fun type movies aren't movies that leave a lasting impression on me even if I tend to re-watch them more than movies I consider great artistic and thematic achievments. Then there are the many people who judge movies on an objective level. Some people may find Batman & Robin more fun to re-watch than The Godfather for example, but they consider The Godfather the better movie. Even you have to admit that this is a pretty common way of thinking. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Feb 11, 2018 5:26:20 GMT
Way better.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 11, 2018 6:58:07 GMT
moviemouth Technically yes, but not much difference. but with that said... while those two are technically different, as you say, they are very similar in the sense that they have one thing in common in that they are ultimately forgettable because if a movie does not hold up on a re-watch, at least to a certain level, then you won't want to re-watch it anymore and in the other example of 'not having a urge to re-watch a movie' pretty much means the movie is not good enough to re-watch (as it does not spark your interest in it enough to see it again) which also makes that forgettable basically. I can relate to that first viewing stuff as usually when a movie comes up that I used to praise but no longer do ill mention that on my first viewing (or maybe even some viewings past this) it as great etc but then fell off. also, I never really understood that whole 'changed my life' comment even though I have heard it here and there. I never had a movie 'change my life' as they are simply general entertainment at the end of the day. I never really seen a movie that changed my outlook on life etc, at least nothing major. you might see a movie that reminds you to appreciate things a bit more here and there but nothing that was profound. I always re-watch movies because of general all around enjoyment of them and rate accordingly. some might be your typical blockbuster type and some are not but a interesting movie is a interesting movie. that's one thing I might be a bit different on... some people seem to put the word 'entertainment' as only simple blockbuster movies and excludes more serious dramas etc. but I don't see things that way as movies ultimately come back to ones all around enjoyment of watching them and the more it does that the higher the score and the less it does that the lower the score. sometimes the blockbusters really work and sometimes dramas work. off the top of my head 'Crime | Drama' (and variations) tend to be one of the safer genres for me to output a quality movie. There is one flaw with that equation... 'objective'. I don't really think anyone can be truly objective on movies as it's more or less a 'guess' as to what things are supposed to be like. movies are ultimately subjective on what's good and what's not. but to play along with your Batman vs The Godfather type of thing... I can see the term 'fun' might be applied more to some movies than others. but at the end of the day... whichever movie is more interesting for the viewer to watch is the better/more enjoyable movie for them. p.s. but I do admit I have seen people say that stuff in your example there around here. Toasted Cheese Of course... that character, and not to mention movie, is memorable unlike the other two. it's the reason why Cuba Gooding Jr will be remembered for that role. Primal Fear is pretty much forgotten already and I think if it was not for IMDb's Top 250 with Fargo, or it tied to the Coen Bro's, it would be at least semi-forgotten. another thing... it's funny how Cuba Gooding Jr's career took a hit as he seemed to be solid for a while and then pretty much vanished. That movie just has solid emotional punch at times. not many movies like that out there basically. it's the movie ill remember Zellweger for and Cuba Gooding Jr. also, Zellweger worked good with Cruise on screen to which further helped sell the movie.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 11, 2018 7:11:10 GMT
moviemouth Technically yes, but not much difference. but with that said... while those two are technically different, as you say, they are very similar in the sense that they have one thing in common in that they are ultimately forgettable because if a movie does not hold up on a re-watch, at least to a certain level, then you won't want to re-watch it anymore and in the other example of 'not having a urge to re-watch a movie' pretty much means the movie is not good enough to re-watch (as it does not spark your interest in it enough to see it again) which also makes that forgettable basically. I can relate to that first viewing stuff as usually when a movie comes up that I used to praise but no longer do ill mention that on my first viewing (or maybe even some viewings past this) it as great etc but then fell off. also, I never really understood that whole 'changed my life' comment even though I have heard it here and there. I never had a movie 'change my life' as they are simply general entertainment at the end of the day. I never really seen a movie that changed my outlook on life etc, at least nothing major. you might see a movie that reminds you to appreciate things a bit more here and there but nothing that was profound. I always re-watch movies because of general all around enjoyment of them and rate accordingly. some might be your typical blockbuster type and some are not but a interesting movie is a interesting movie. that's one thing I might be a bit different on... some people seem to put the word 'entertainment' as only simple blockbuster movies and excludes more serious dramas etc. but I don't see things that way as movies ultimately come back to ones all around enjoyment of watching them and the more it does that the higher the score and the less it does that the lower the score. sometimes the blockbusters really work and sometimes dramas work. off the top of my head 'Crime | Drama' (and variations) tend to be one of the safer genres for me to output a quality movie. There is one flaw with that equation... 'objective'. I don't really think anyone can be truly objective on movies as it's more or less a 'guess' as to what things are supposed to be like. movies are ultimately subjective on what's good and what's not. I mean they are objective to a point.
but to play along with your Batman vs The Godfather type of thing... I can see the term 'fun' might be applied more to some movies than others. but at the end of the day... whichever movie is more interesting for the viewer to watch is the better/more enjoyable movie for them. p.s. but I do admit I have seen people say that stuff in your example there around here. We are basically just way too different too be able to agree on much.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 11, 2018 7:48:08 GMT
moviemouthYeah, it seems that way. like at our core of how we approach movies is just too different when we get to the basics on how we see movies as a whole. come to think of it... maybe I should make a poll around here just to see what people think about this whole re-watch stuff. I could make a very simple poll like... "Do you re-watch movies?" with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' answer but I would rather have a little more detailed one of maybe something like... "How often do you re-watch movies?" with multiple choices like... never, rarely, 1-5 a month, 6-10 a month, etc etc. but anyways, while I can't say for sure... my best guess is that people who watch a lot of movies in general probably re-watch a good portion of movies especially after they have seen plenty of movies because I just don't understand how someone could barely re-watch any movies as I would have to assume just about anyone who gets into movies would at least re-watch some of their favorites here and there at the very least. because, maybe it's just me, but after you have seen plenty of movies it just becomes difficult finding movies of any real worth that you have not already seen which is why I re-watch plenty of movies that I consider favorites etc as it keeps movies as a whole interesting for me. so for those, like you I assume(?), who don't have that general mindset... it's hard for me to see things from their point of view especially given the vast majority of movies are nothing special. like just say there is roughly high thousands range (say 5000-9999) of movies out there (I know there is more but once you remove complete crap that almost no one likes from the equation I would assume the field to choose from is a lot less)... how many of those are of any real worth? ; not many as only about 8-9% of everything I have seen is good enough for me to call a favorite and about 11% that's close to favorite level and about 26%-ish MAX are good enough for a Thumbs Up. I realize that some people are more easily pleased than I am when it comes to movies, and that's fine, but even amongst these people they got to draw the line somewhere which is why I generally go back to the re-watch thing to determine what really stands out for them vs what's does not etc. you get the gist. In a basic sense... it seems so. but my guess is you don't praise it as much as I do given it's within my Top 26 movies. or are you in the ball park of that? I guess I could agree on this on some level as I think I got some general idea on when a movie is well made etc vs when it's not and is your cheap dime-a-dozen level movie and the like played on generic TV channels etc.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 11, 2018 13:45:28 GMT
Silver Linings is better by light years in my opinion.
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Post by marth on Feb 11, 2018 14:09:09 GMT
I prefer Silver Linings Playbook by far.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 11, 2018 15:31:20 GMT
For years Jerry Maguire was one of my favorites, and I still consider it very good, but recently I've had the urge to watch Silver Linings Playbook more often. Now, that is possibly because it is the more modern film, but that's just how I feel at the moment.
Also De Niro is pretty good in SLP
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Post by marth on Feb 11, 2018 16:38:52 GMT
Also De Niro is pretty good in SLP Exactly. One of the reasons why I like this movie. |
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2018 1:27:43 GMT
moviemouth Yeah, it seems that way. like at our core of how we approach movies is just too different when we get to the basics on how we see movies as a whole. come to think of it... maybe I should make a poll around here just to see what people think about this whole re-watch stuff. I could make a very simple poll like... "Do you re-watch movies?" with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' answer but I would rather have a little more detailed one of maybe something like... "How often do you re-watch movies?" with multiple choices like... never, rarely, 1-5 a month, 6-10 a month, etc etc. but anyways, while I can't say for sure... my best guess is that people who watch a lot of movies in general probably re-watch a good portion of movies especially after they have seen plenty of movies because I just don't understand how someone could barely re-watch any movies as I would have to assume just about anyone who gets into movies would at least re-watch some of their favorites here and there at the very least. because, maybe it's just me, but after you have seen plenty of movies it just becomes difficult finding movies of any real worth that you have not already seen which is why I re-watch plenty of movies that I consider favorites etc as it keeps movies as a whole interesting for me. so for those, like you I assume(?), who don't have that general mindset... it's hard for me to see things from their point of view especially given the vast majority of movies are nothing special. As I have told you before, I still find movies I like on a weekly basis. As do most people.
You have to admit that most people like a lot more movies than you do. Director Edgar Wright compiled a list of his 1000 favorite movies for example and there are critic lists of the 1000 greatest movies ever made.like just say there is roughly high thousands range (say 5000-9999) of movies out there (I know there is more but once you remove complete crap that almost no one likes from the equation I would assume the field to choose from is a lot less)... how many of those are of any real worth? ; not many as only about 8-9% of everything I have seen is good enough for me to call a favorite and about 11% that's close to favorite level and about 26%-ish MAX are good enough for a Thumbs Up. I realize that some people are more easily pleased than I am when it comes to movies, and that's fine, but even amongst these people they got to draw the line somewhere which is why I generally go back to the re-watch thing to determine what really stands out for them vs what's does not etc. you get the gist. There are more than 100,000 movies out there. There are more than 5000 movies that have a 7/10 or higher on imdb just so you know and there are more than 50 movies each year that get a fresh rating on Rottentomatoes.In a basic sense... it seems so. but my guess is you don't praise it as much as I do given it's within my Top 26 movies. or are you in the ball park of that? I rate Jerry Maguire 9/10 and it is among my 100 favorite movies.
I do re-watch movies btw, just not as often as most people. I have seen Jerry Maguire about 5 times for example.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 12, 2018 8:37:55 GMT
moviemouthI guess it depends on how one looks at this whether that's true or not... like if you mean in a basic sense of asking people, 'Do you like Movie A or not?' with a simple Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down answer. then yeah, I would expect most people to like more movies than myself. but... I wonder how many of those movies really stick with people? ; because, as I have already mentioned many times before, I can't really see praising a movie only to mostly forget about it and move onto the next movie etc and pretty much never bother with that movie again (or rarely see it again) as in this regard I suspect the 'quality movie' field would be much less going by this standard and in this regard I would not be surprised to see people be not all that far apart from myself in that not too many movies stand out to a higher degree. sure, even if that was true, you could probably still make a decent claim that most people still like more movies than I do and you may easily be right. also, those critics who make say '1000 greatest movies ever' seem to be more concerned with what they think everyone wants to here instead of their own personal opinion on what they personally like a lot etc. I would rather have these people pick movies they personally like a lot instead of that standard like that's mostly the same with critics in general as then it would at least be honest on the critics part instead of going with that 'ahead of their time' and the like BS they seem to be more concerned with. but it's pretty safe to say a high percentage (say something in the ball park of 90%+, I would imagine a easy 75-80%+) of those 'more than 100,000 movies' are largely forgettable/not worth watching. plus, people only got so much time so they are going to have to be selective on what they watch to some degree which will put a limit on things on that alone. but assuming that '50 movies each year get a fresh rating on RT' is a rough guideline for what's liked(as in Thumbs Up) in general then... yeah, that further aids your claim that people like more movies than I do. but with that said... I have a feeling some people give a movie a positive score but then mostly forget about it in a few years time. this is why I feel that just going by movies that have a 'positive' score (and the like) ain't completely accurate in terms of what's a 'true gem' vs 'just another movie' for most people sort of thing (but maybe my comments about 'Classics' are some sort of rough guideline for how the masses see the 'true gems'(i.e. classics and the like) vs 'just another movie'(i.e. forgettable movies for the most part)). in this regard I expect the volume of 'gem' movies to be MUCH less than the 50 movies a year thing you mentioned with RT. because if there was like 50 movies a year that were classics for an average we would have boatloads of movies that a lot of people praise and I don't think that's the case given what I can tell. like that 50 quality movies a year for an average claim... that would put the total something in the ball park of 2,500-4,350 movies (i.e. last 50 years (2,500 movies) 1930 to date (4,350 movies)) and I suspect there is no where near that many movies that the masses would consider of any real worth even though I admit there is more than I personally like as there are definitely movies I don't personally care for that I would have to count when looking at Classic or mass appeal status and the like. hell, even if we use your guideline of 'more than 5,000 movies with a 7.0/10 average score or higher standard' as a 'quality movie' that's still very little in comparison to the 100,000+ total movies out there that you mentioned. say roughly 5%. but, who knows, it's probably difficult to get any exact measurement on this sort of stuff as about the best we can do is guesstimate these things like you and I just tried to do. p.s. as I have mentioned before... most movies (as in majority) I see are good enough not to have wasted my time but in terms of movies worth re-watching(which as you already know plays a big factor for me for a movies real worth long term), that figure drops off a lot. so basically, I would say in terms of percentages of those two things in the "p.s." section above... -Worth re-watching level = about 1 out of every 4 movies I see (i.e. about 25%) -Decent enough to not have wasted my time level = guesstimated at about 65-75% of all movies I have seen (at the most = about 80%). so as you can see... while I do give plenty of movies a Thumbs Down, because their lack of re-watch value for me, in terms of whether a movie wastes my time or not then I don't think I am that much different from most people(?). So even though we score it the same, apparently I like it a bit more given the Top 26 vs Top 100 thing. but we ain't that far off as we both agree it clearly stands out above a high percentage of movies. So you do think that most people who watch a lot of movies do re-watch quite a few movies? (i.e. like re-watches are a decent percentage (lets say decent percentage is at least 20-25%) of what they see in total) ; that's what I generally think in terms of the majority of people but I don't have any hard info on this as it's purely a guess on my part. thanks for the info. p.s. I am not exactly sure how many times I have seen Jerry Maguire but just since Dec 27th 2011 to date I have seen it twice... March 4th 2013/April 19th 2016. but with that said... I would guesstimate I have seen it at least 5 times given I would say the general volume of movies I started watching shot up around 2003+. so it don't sound like a stretch for me to have seen it at least a few times before Dec 27th 2011 to date. but it's hard for me to say for sure but I think it's fairly safe for me to say 5+ times.
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