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Post by THawk on Feb 11, 2018 16:57:52 GMT
Like I am also looking forward to seeing Black Panther, but reading all the hype about it, how it's supposed to be a "political message" and "historical" and "finally, the first..." does everyone have collective amnesia and not remember Blade? You know, black superhero, Marvel....
Or is it because they don't think the Blade movies were quality enough and so they don't count? If so, I severely, massively disagree. Yes they had some cheesiness and kookiness; but at the same time no Marvel movie to date has come close to matching the take-no-prisoners badassery and sheer epic ass kicking of the first two Blade films in particular. Add to that surprising levels of character depth and developments that not many other Marvel characters are afforded, black or white. The first two Blade movies are still near the very top of Marvel's offerings, yet it seems people are eager to ignore or forget about them for some reason. Again, none of this is aimed at dampening Black Panther, but this is like if 1990 reviews were acting as if Goodfellas was the first notable mafia-gangster movie ever made....like, no.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 11, 2018 17:13:04 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 11, 2018 17:13:57 GMT
I remember sneaking into Blade 3 and absolutely howling with laughter when Triple H came on and had a full-on worked pro wrestling match with Blade for ten minutes. I think he suplexed Blade and pedigreed him! It was awful.
But, yes, your larger point is totally correct.
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Post by King Conan on Feb 11, 2018 17:25:48 GMT
The MCU crow doesn't remember Blade, because they were too young or aren't born during the time.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 17:47:08 GMT
what you are seeing in the media is nothing more but marvel-disney propaganda. Actually, it's just critics. Disney isn't saying anything. It's like how critics kept saying how WW was the first female CBM led film, forgetting about Supergirl and Catwoman.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 11, 2018 19:22:29 GMT
what you are seeing in the media is nothing more but marvel-disney propaganda. Actually, it's just critics. Disney isn't saying anything. It's like how critics kept saying how WW was the first female CBM led film, forgetting about Supergirl and Catwoman. You are making stuff up to muddy the waters again. No critic ever claimed WW was the first female led CBM - now show me one review. It was the first female directed one with a female in the lead that became a huge success and historic milestone. Also the first one that won prices, such as the Critic's choice award.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 19:38:53 GMT
Actually, it's just critics. Disney isn't saying anything. It's like how critics kept saying how WW was the first female CBM led film, forgetting about Supergirl and Catwoman. You are making stuff up No, they are doing their best to ignore that Supergirl and Catwoman the movies both existed.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 11, 2018 19:39:38 GMT
Blade Trilogy are not the only ones. What about Hancock, or Spawn, what about Meteor Man, what about Steel, or Blankman...? Or even Catwoman or Suicide Squad?
The BP narrative is just for marketing to boost importance and - following the shining example of Wonder Woman - finally deliver a socially relevant film that is more than entertainment junk food for children.
Let's see if it holds up to that promise - remember Black Lightning is on 100 % critics ratings.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 11, 2018 19:41:15 GMT
No, they are doing their best to ignore that Supergirl and Catwoman the movies both existed. So you got nothing to corroborate your claim, as usual, it's all in your head.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 19:42:52 GMT
No, they are doing their best to ignore that Supergirl and Catwoman the movies both existed. So you got nothing to corroborate your claim, as usual, it's all in your head. Show me a review where they acknowledge Catwoman and Supergirl as prior CBMs. If they aren't, they they're not acknowledging their existence as prior female CBMs. Anywho, BP's social message is more important and relevant than anything about WW's Naive-Woman child who stayed a child despite being thousands of years old (idiocy).
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 11, 2018 19:59:27 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 20:00:43 GMT
Show me a review where they acknowledge Catwoman and Supergirl as prior CBMs. No. So they won't acknowledge their past failings. Typical. And are there any BP reviews that specifically say it's the first Black Superhero film ever? No? Then you've got no stance. They talk about how he's Marvel's first black hero. And they're right, he was the first in the comics. None of the reviews say his movie is the first Black Superhero Movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 11, 2018 20:06:17 GMT
Like I am also looking forward to seeing Black Panther, but reading all the hype about it, how it's supposed to be a "political message" and "historical" and "finally, the first..." does everyone have collective amnesia and not remember Blade? You know, black superhero, Marvel.... Addressing this directly, when they say Black Panther is the first Black Superhero they're talking about his comic origins where he WAS Marvel's first Black Superhero. They don't mean that his movie is the first Black CBM, just that his character history is that of the first Black CBM. He DOES predate Blade and all those others by a significant margin. Plus, with all those others they do something demeaning like make the characters criminals or stuff (like Blade) whilst BP made him an intelligent and noble King.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 11, 2018 21:51:16 GMT
Blankman and The Meteor Man, although conceived and financed by black talent, were not credible superhero films. They were comedies. Steel is embarrassing enough as to be removed from the debate entirely. Hancock is described as a superhero action-comedy and, while it is indeed more credible than the previously mentioned entries, the Africa-American protagonist is portrayed as an alcoholic screw-up who requires the services of white people to help him discover his full potential as a superhero.
It's worth noting that Black Panther currently has an RT score that is higher than all four of the films above combined.
That leaves us with Blade.
Blade was and still is an innovative combination of multiple genres including superhero, action, and horror. While never a critical darling, it rose to cult status as a "ghetto classic" because snipes insisted on the character having overtly black sensibilities.
That said, Blade has three black people in a lead cast of twelve (one dies near the end of the film), and the film was written and directed by two white men. Blade was rated R by the MPAA for strong, pervasive vampire violence and gore, language, and brief sexuality - this effectively cut the character off from younger audiences (until it reached home video).
Black Panther has a predominantly Black cast, it was written, directed and co-produced by black people. People of color also hold several department-head level positions on the production. The story itself depicts a black monarch/superhero engaged in a multifacet struggle with global ramifications.
So, if you're wondering why Black Panther is getting so much political ink, there are two reasons. 1). The media loves hyperbole. 2). Black Panther signifies higher (positive) representation for African and African-American audiences both behind and in front of the camera within the Superhero genre. The sociopolitical arithmetic is reasonably straightforward to calculate in this instance. Black people are seeing positive representations of themselves, and they are responding to it.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 11, 2018 21:54:35 GMT
I do. The first 2 movies are excellent. In fact the first one was my favorite movie for a while in 1998.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 11, 2018 21:56:19 GMT
The MCU crow doesn't remember Blade, because they were too young or aren't born during the time. I was 9 and it was my favorite movie.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 11, 2018 22:01:05 GMT
I Do! It was both my first R rated film and Comic book film that i saw in theaters! A great film that is unfortunately looked over. Blade 2 is one of my favorite CBM and my introduction to Guillermo del Toro, the end fight between Blade and Nomak was pretty awesome.
Damn shame that Blade Trinity was such a terrible film! Blade came so close to being one of the best cbm trilogies.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 11, 2018 22:38:43 GMT
Also Shaq in Steel.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 11, 2018 23:25:49 GMT
The entertainment media love to say something is the first when it isn't. Their collective and selective amnesia is ridiculous.
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