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Post by permutojoe on Feb 11, 2018 22:59:55 GMT
It's a big if, but if you can get past the fictional behavior of the wolves plus that one stupid clothing rope scene, there is actually a good and possibly great movie in there. The wolves clearly represent death and their not-real behavior may even be part of the metaphor. If you look at the last scene before he fights the Alpha wolf in the den, he flashbacks to his wife telling him not to be afraid. What if he is the one dying and not her, and the movie is more or less an internal vision/dream on his part as he comes to terms with his death.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:08:35 GMT
I watched this less than a week before being due to take a flight. Bad decision.
But a good movie.
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Post by Marv on Feb 11, 2018 23:13:29 GMT
Absolutely hated the cheap out ending. They were building this fight the entire frickin movie and when it finally gets down to it they cut to frickin black. Ill never rewatch it...the movie gets a 0 out of 10 from me. F that movie!!!
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Post by Lebowskidoo 💀🎃👻 on Feb 11, 2018 23:14:46 GMT
I loved this movie, seen it three times now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:19:09 GMT
Absolutely hated the cheap out ending. They were building this fight the entire frickin movie and when it finally gets down to it they cut to frickin black. Ill never rewatch it...the movie gets a 0 out of 10 from me. F that movie!!! Since the metaphor is death, you already know how the fight ends. |
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Post by Marv on Feb 11, 2018 23:21:26 GMT
Absolutely hated the cheap out ending. They were building this fight the entire frickin movie and when it finally gets down to it they cut to frickin black. Ill never rewatch it...the movie gets a 0 out of 10 from me. F that movie!!! Since the metaphor is death, you already know how the fight ends. They have a post credits scene that shows how the fight ends anyhow. The point is...I wanted to see it! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:24:54 GMT
Hey, you want a movie with build-up that never pays off, check out The Final Countdown (1980)
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Post by politicidal on Feb 12, 2018 0:09:15 GMT
Oh hell, I was looking forward to this. Then while watching it, I gradually grew to just not caring.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Feb 12, 2018 0:41:58 GMT
It's entertaining as long as you don't take the portrayal of wolves too seriously.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 12, 2018 0:56:08 GMT
It's entertaining as long as you don't take the portrayal of wolves too seriously. If you're on board with the whole wolves representing death thing then it's not a huge stretch for them to be stalking and preying on people. |
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2018 0:56:49 GMT
The director takes an interesting idea and turns it into an extremely bland movie filled with mediocre performances, cringe-inducing dialogue and fake looking wolves. The movie is similar to Dead End (2003). www.imdb.com/title/tt0308152/?ref_=nv_sr_2 |
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Post by Sulla on Feb 12, 2018 2:25:49 GMT
I think of the film as allegory. When faced with impending death, one can still choose their attitude and actions. Liam was haunted by the belief that his wife gave up, although we don't know how long she previously fought it. One of the crash survivors gave up, too. On the other hand, some warriors sing death songs before or during battle. The story suggests we should make our last battle "the last good fight I'll ever know."
"And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them."
Of course, he wasn't getting out of there alive, but it appears he took the alpha-wolf with him. I suppose in the long run with no audience there to witness, it didn't matter whether he fought or gave up. But he fought to the end because it mattered to him in the moment. I like to think he never felt more alive.
I love the very last shot of determination in his eyes, as fierce as any wolf. It reminded me of this stanza...
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Feb 12, 2018 2:55:14 GMT
I've seen it 3-4 times i think. Its a decent survival thriller that highlights how unpredictable nature can be, and that nothing can protect the survivors when danger lurks around every corner.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2018 2:57:53 GMT
I think of the film as allegory. When faced with impending death, one can still choose their attitude and actions. Liam was haunted by the belief that his wife gave up, although we don't know how long she previously fought it. One of the crash survivors gave up, too. On the other hand, some warriors sing death songs before or during battle. The story suggests we should make our last battle "the last good fight I'll ever know."
"And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them."
Of course, he wasn't getting out of there alive, but it appears he took the alpha-wolf with him. I suppose in the long run with no audience there to witness, it didn't matter whether he fought or gave up. But he fought to the end because it mattered to him in the moment. I like to think he never felt more alive.
I love the very last shot of determination in his eyes, as fierce as any wolf. It reminded me of this stanza...
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Is there even any question as to whether the film is an allegory? It's pretty obvious imo. I am not a fan of the movie at all but I will admit that the very ending is well done. |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 12, 2018 3:07:13 GMT
Hey, you want a movie with build-up that never pays off, check out The Final Countdown (1980) What?!  The twist at the end was awesome.... ...for the time. |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 12, 2018 3:10:22 GMT
Absolutely hated the cheap out ending. They were building this fight the entire frickin movie and when it finally gets down to it they cut to frickin black. Ill never rewatch it...the movie gets a 0 out of 10 from me. F that movie!!! There is no fighting death... All you can do is try to prepare to fight death... but, the fight is always over before it even starts. All you can do is choose how you are going to face it. |
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Post by Sulla on Feb 12, 2018 3:30:25 GMT
I think of the film as allegory. When faced with impending death, one can still choose their attitude and actions. Liam was haunted by the belief that his wife gave up, although we don't know how long she previously fought it. One of the crash survivors gave up, too. On the other hand, some warriors sing death songs before or during battle. The story suggests we should make our last battle "the last good fight I'll ever know."
"And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them."
Of course, he wasn't getting out of there alive, but it appears he took the alpha-wolf with him. I suppose in the long run with no audience there to witness, it didn't matter whether he fought or gave up. But he fought to the end because it mattered to him in the moment. I like to think he never felt more alive.
I love the very last shot of determination in his eyes, as fierce as any wolf. It reminded me of this stanza...
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
It's pretty obvious imo. I am not a fan of the movie at all but I will admit that the very ending is well done. Among some people, yes.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 12, 2018 6:59:29 GMT
It's underrated at a 6.8/10 average on IMDb. I give it a 7-7.5/10 which makes it not much outside of my Top 105 movies. I have seen it three times now (May 4th 2012/Dec 17th 2013/Oct 21st 2016). My favorite Liam Neeson movies... 1.Taken (2008) - 7.5-8/10 2.The Grey (2011) - 7-7.5/10 -.Gangs of New York (2002) Honorable mention... 4.Seraphim Falls (2006 - 6-6.5/10 (within my Top 241 movies. basically it's just outside of My Favorite Movies in general) fartyfartsalotYep. but the wolves don't really detract from the movie if you ask me. come to think of it... this is probably my favorite survival type of movie off the top of my head. |
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Post by koskiewicz on Feb 12, 2018 16:16:46 GMT
...it is important for viewers to watch the film beyond the credits to see the very final scene inserted at the end which concludes the film...
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 12, 2018 16:50:26 GMT
Did the filmakers say the wolves represent death or are you making that up to cover the movie's flaws?
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