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Post by shannondegroot on Feb 12, 2018 17:54:03 GMT
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 12, 2018 20:27:40 GMT
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace with the midi-chlorians and Jar Jar Binks
The Ewoks in Return of the Jedi were childish and some of the Special Edition changes were bad, but The Phantom Menace completely divided and disappointed an otherwise loyal fanbase.
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Post by Larcen26 on Feb 12, 2018 20:32:59 GMT
Hasn't.
Got close with Attack of the Clones...
But it hasn't.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 12, 2018 20:34:33 GMT
It didn't.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Feb 12, 2018 20:43:52 GMT
The Force Awakens without a doubt. When you - without having a long term story plan - rehash your past and thereby destroy characters and achievements of past stories this is a telltale sign a franchise has run it's course and is out of ideas.
I will add that jumping the shark is not necessarily the end of it, many shows and franchises have soared to new heights after creative lows.
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Post by MCDemuth on Feb 12, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
completely divided and disappointed an otherwise loyal fanbase. I guess it depends on how you define: "loyal"... Clearly you are only a loyal fan to the original trilogy of films... and can't find anything about the newer films to enjoy. Others fans are loyal to the entire Star Wars extended universe... as in, for example: "Star Wars VS Star Trek"... (Actually I am a fan of Star Trek)... But many other people, would rather watch the worst Star Wars film, than the best Star Trek film! I don't think Star Wars has jumped the Shark... It's just think that there have been several bad films. As yes, I too, thought Jar Jar Binks was a bad idea. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 13, 2018 0:26:57 GMT
In Your Opinion? It was flirted with with the Ewoks. And there's definitely an argument for Jar Jar Binks. Avid prequel haters will bring up the Midichlorians, but that's arguable. As far as the essence of Star Wars (the mythos, the lore and such) it started with TFA. Especially Rey and Kylo as Force users. The first time we see Kylo use the Force he freezes a blaster shot in midair (apparently with Force stasis). He holds it there while also using Force stasis on Poe. Then releases Poe when troopers bring him over so Kylo can question him. He questions Poe undistracted while still freezing the blaster shot. Then after he finished questioning Poe and then glanced at Finn as if something about him puzzled him, he released the blaster shot as an afterthought. This is stuff that would make Vader and Emperor Palpatine step back and hesitate. Yet later he is so weak he can't overcome someone who attempts to do something he just did but never even attempted it before. And never trained in it. This happened before events that supposedly weakened Kylo physically and emotionally. So we can throw that excuse "out the window". But this is probably the most prominent example of their "jumping the shark" with the Force. When you take a close look at the issue it's all over the place in TFA. And it's only continued in TLJ. As I've said in previous posts, it's just Disney magic now - bent to the agenda of a character and their storylines. It's... McGuffin silly putty. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 13, 2018 15:20:32 GMT
eh, Disney Star Wars hands down, jumping the shark is when you cross the point where you run out of story and character relevance and try to boost and maintain popularity by cheap gimmicks (ssee Happy Days). TFA's rip off story was such a gimmick, Mary Poppins Leia in space was such a gimmick etc.
It's not shark-jumping when something is featured that you do not like, such as Ewoks or Gungans, these serve a relevant narrative purposes and were imaginative. Porgs are mere gimmicks though. SW may have jumped the Porg but as long people are watching and caring it's alive to maybe unjump them Porgs again. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 14, 2018 0:07:27 GMT
Leia Poppins maybe. Not in negative way, just in a silly creative freedoms way. Just because Kathleen Kennedy thinks they can find new Jedi powers for 21st century audiences, doesn't always mean they're welcome.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 14, 2018 9:13:31 GMT
Ewoks. The moment the franchise became less about telling stories than selling toys, setting the stage for the prequels and the lesser aspects of the Disney movies.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 14, 2018 21:36:17 GMT
2012.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 15, 2018 21:44:07 GMT
Ewoks. The moment the franchise became less about telling stories than selling toys, setting the stage for the prequels and the lesser aspects of the Disney movies. Probably not wrong. I do believe GL when he says they were supposed to be Wookies, until he made Chewbacca a tech expert/navigator which makes living in tree houses with rocks & logs for weapons not really a go. Ewoks though did appeal to me as a kid, ROTJ for a few years back in the day I remember was my fav movie. I wonder how we'd think of the OT had there been no Ewoks... just land battles in a forest between Rebels & Stormtroopers... which seems to be the formula for Disney in between magical box intrigue with no reasoning. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 16, 2018 19:36:06 GMT
I would say when they had Luke Skywalker milking that creature in Episode 8.
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 16, 2018 19:38:26 GMT
Ewoks. The moment the franchise became less about telling stories than selling toys, setting the stage for the prequels and the lesser aspects of the Disney movies. Probably not wrong. I do believe GL when he says they were supposed to be Wookies, until he made Chewbacca a tech expert/navigator which makes living in tree houses with rocks & logs for weapons not really a go. Ewoks though did appeal to me as a kid, ROTJ for a few years back in the day I remember was my fav movie. I wonder how we'd think of the OT had there been no Ewoks... just land battles in a forest between Rebels & Stormtroopers... which seems to be the formula for Disney in between magical box intrigue with no reasoning. George Lucas was forced to change from Wookiees to Ewoks for Episode 6 due to budgetary reasons (the costumes would have required more materials for the Wookiees) and logistics of finding that many tall people to play the parts. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 16, 2018 19:42:10 GMT
Mary Poppins Leia.
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Post by Larcen26 on Feb 22, 2018 20:27:47 GMT
Ewoks. The moment the franchise became less about telling stories than selling toys, setting the stage for the prequels and the lesser aspects of the Disney movies. Probably not wrong. I do believe GL when he says they were supposed to be Wookies, until he made Chewbacca a tech expert/navigator which makes living in tree houses with rocks & logs for weapons not really a go. Ewoks though did appeal to me as a kid, ROTJ for a few years back in the day I remember was my fav movie. I wonder how we'd think of the OT had there been no Ewoks... just land battles in a forest between Rebels & Stormtroopers... which seems to be the formula for Disney in between magical box intrigue with no reasoning. Wookie ---> Wook-ie ---> Wook-E ---> E-Wook ---> Ewok They weren't about toys, they were short Wookies. They just happened to be cute which made them appeal to kids and alienate grumpy people. |
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