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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2018 15:49:34 GMT
The RT audience score for Wonder Woman is 88% and for Black Panther is 75%. So how am I biased when I agree with what most of the general audience says? It's not in comparison to Wonder Woman, I could probably be convinced that Wonder Woman is the better movie. But if 75% of people like it, it has an average user rating of 8/10, has a 7.8 on IMDb and 91% of Google Users liked it...then people obviously like the movie. Then you go give it a 1/10. It's not a 1/10 movie. Even Batman and Robin isn't a 1/10 movie. That would be more along the lines of the 1994 Fantastic Four movie or something. |
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Post by sostie on Feb 18, 2018 16:44:05 GMT
Eh, besides the WW and Steve romance. I'd say BP easily has a better story, more heart, action, 3rd act, score and villain. Say what you want about Killmonger but he was way better than that embarrassing villain Ares. Killmonger was alot better than Ares. Even Ulysses Klaue was better than Ares (actually he was better than all of the DC villains with perhaps the exception of Zod) |
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Post by damngumby on Feb 18, 2018 21:55:38 GMT
Is Black Panther greater than Wonder Woman? Critic Reviews : So far it’s 97% to 92%. BP might drop a little over the next couple weeks, but the prognosis for BP beating out WW in this category is very good. Black Panther probably wins. Audience : Audiences have rated Black Panther an A+, per Cinemascore. Wonder Woman got an A. These are exit polls of people who actually saw the movie. Web polls are notoriously unreliable, so there is little point in fretting over them. Black Panther wins. Box Office : It’s too early to say for sure, but BP is doing very well, boarderline spectacular. WW couldn’t even beat SMH at the box office, so the likelihood of BP winning a clean sweep in all three categories is high. Black Panther probably wins. The one thing Wonder Woman does have over Black Panther is an Acadamy Award Best Picture nomination. ... oh, wait.  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 18, 2018 22:13:28 GMT
The RT audience score for Wonder Woman is 88% and for Black Panther is 75%. So how am I biased when I agree with what most of the general audience says? you go give it a 1/10. It's not a 1/10 movie. is indeed a 1/10 movie. I'll list 4 reasons why Wonder Woman is a much better movie than Black Panther and reasons #1 and #4 are why I rate Black Panther a 1 out of 10. 1. Wonder Woman has a better story than Black Panther and Wonder Woman isn't over-preachy or pander to SJWs like Black Panther does.Despite the claims by MCU fans like formersamhmd to categorize Wonder Woman as having a feminist agenda, there was no such feminist agenda in Wonder Woman. Not once in Wonder Woman does Diana or any of the Amazons or Etta Candy ever try to suggest or promote that women are treated as 2nd-class citizens by men. Doctor Poison's motivation for being evil isn't because she feels that women have been oppressed by men and she's fighting for equality for women. Black Panther tries to promote a racist agenda and the villain's motivation for being evil is entirely because he feels that black people have been oppressed. It's similar to when Trump won the election and Van Jones on CNN called the election a "white-lash". Not everything is about race. Many people voted for Trump not because of racism but because they simply didn't like or trust Hillary Clinton. But Van Jones had to make it all about racism. And it seems that Black Panther makes it all about racism. Wonder Woman wasn't a feminist movie. Wonder Woman was a superhero movie that just happened to have a female lead. Black Panther is a left-wing political propaganda movie with the primary theme that blacks have been oppressed and should strike back at their oppressors. 2. Wonder Woman had better action scenes than Black Panther. The beach battle between the Amazons (with their ancient weapons of bows and arrows and swords) vs the German soldiers (with their modern rifles) was much better than the lame fighting between the tribes at the end of Black Panther. And nothing in Black Panther is as epic, memorable, or iconic as the No Man's Land scene in Wonder Woman. 3. Wonder Woman had a better "villain" than Black Panther. In Black Panther, Killmonger is a stereotypical "angry black man". "I've had a rough life. My father was murdered when I was a kid. I was abandoned by my uncle in a country that brought my ancestors over on slave ships. My race has been oppressed for hundreds of years." The stereotypical "angry black man" who wants to strike back at his oppressors. In Wonder Woman, the "villain" is the darkness that lives inside every human. A most unique "villain" that has never been done in a superhero movie and a "villain" that no hero can ever defeat. 4. Wonder Woman had a better overarching theme than Black Panther. At a time when the Olympics (in which people from many different nations around the world come together in peace) is happening, the overarching theme of Black Panther is about racial division and escalating violence and avenging the wrongs against your people like the Avengers would do. The overarching theme of Wonder Woman is about forgiveness and unity and the goodness of Mankind. Wonder Woman's overarching theme echoes the line from The Diary of Anne Frank ("I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are really good at heart."). It's amazing that in spite of the horrible atrocities that were happening to her people, a 15-year old girl still had faith in the goodness of Mankind rather than the radical views of a stereotypical "angry black man" like Killmonger. Likewise in Wonder Woman, in spite of seeing the darkness in people, Diana still had faith in the goodness of Mankind and still believed that Mankind is worth saving. That's what makes Wonder Woman a great movie and a much better movie than Black Panther. |
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Post by sostie on Feb 18, 2018 22:26:21 GMT
you go give it a 1/10. It's not a 1/10 movie. tries to promote a racist agenda and the villain's motivation for being evil is entirely because he feels that black people have been oppressed. What the fuck? The hero is trying to prevent the villain from going through with his racist agenda. How does that promote it. Does that mean Wonder Woman is promoting the views of the Germans in that film? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 18, 2018 22:38:13 GMT
Black Panther tries to promote a racist agenda and the villain's motivation for being evil is entirely because he feels that black people have been oppressed. What the fuck? The hero is trying to prevent the villain from going through with his racist agenda. How does that promote it. Does that mean Wonder Woman is promoting the views of the Germans in that film? No, just as Wonder Woman never suggested nor promoted any agenda that women were treated as 2nd-class citizens by men and needed to fight for equality, Wonder Woman also never promoted the views of the Germans by making them look sympathetic in any way. Black Panther promotes Killmonger's agenda by trying to make Killmonger look sympathic: "I've had a rough life. My father was murdered when I was a kid. I was abandoned by my uncle in a country that brought my ancestors over on slave ships. My race has been oppressed for hundreds of years." |
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2018 22:42:44 GMT
Black Panther is indeed a 1/10 movie. I'll list 4 reasons why Wonder Woman is a much better movie than Black Panther and reasons #1 and #4 are why I rate Black Panther a 1 out of 10. What you mainly said is why Wonder Woman is better than Black Panther though and that's fine but it doesn't really explain why it would be a 1/10. Alright so Wonder Woman has better action scenes than Black Panther but it didn't have bad action scenes. Wonder Woman has a better villain than Black Panther but it didn't have a bad villain. A movie that warrants a 1/10 would have to be through and through complete garbage with nothing redeemable about it at all. Like the crappy TV Sci Fi movies like Sharktopus, Asylum movies, low budget foreign made movies from Uganda. Black Panther isn't a 1/10 movie. It's acting was good, it's CGI was serviceable for your ordinary Hollywood blockbuster, the sets were well designed, the musical score fit the movie well etc. If there's good things about a movie then it doesn't warrant the lowest possible score. You only gave it that score because it's a Marvel movie. We already know that you'll give Infinity War a 1/10, months in advance If you keep giving the same crop of movies the same score then it's not going to mean much. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 18, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
Black Panther is indeed a 1/10 movie. I'll list 4 reasons why Wonder Woman is a much better movie than Black Panther and reasons #1 and #4 are why I rate Black Panther a 1 out of 10. What you mainly said is why Wonder Woman is better than Black Panther though and that's fine but it doesn't really explain why it would be a 1/10. Alright so Wonder Woman has better action scenes than Black Panther but it didn't have bad action scenes. Wonder Woman has a better villain than Black Panther but it didn't have a bad villain. A movie that warrants a 1/10 would have to be through and through complete garbage with nothing redeemable about it at all. Like the crappy TV Sci Fi movies like Sharktopus, Asylum movies, low budget foreign made movies from Uganda. Black Panther isn't a 1/10 movie. It's acting was good, it's CGI was serviceable for your ordinary Hollywood blockbuster, the sets were well designed, the musical score fit the movie well etc. If there's good things about a movie then it doesn't warrant the lowest possible score. You only gave it that score because it's a Marvel movie. We already know that you'll give Infinity War a 1/10, months in advance If you keep giving the same crop of movies the same score then it's not going to mean much. DC-Fan is too blinded by hatred for MCU to see anything good in a MCU movie. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 18, 2018 22:54:47 GMT
You only gave it that score because it's a Marvel movie. Not true. I rated Max Steel a 1 out of 10 and that's not a Marvel movie. I also rated Spider-Man 2 a 10 out of 10, Spider-Man a 9 out of 10, and X-Men: Days of Future Past a 8 out of 10. Those are all Marvel movies. We already know that you'll give Infinity War a 1/10 I haven't seen IW yet so I don't have a rating for it yet since I give each and every movie a fair chance and don't rate any movie until after I've seen it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 22:57:42 GMT
Hands up who thinks DC Fan will rate Infinity War > 1/10.  |
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Post by sostie on Feb 18, 2018 23:03:37 GMT
What the fuck? The hero is trying to prevent the villain from going through with his racist agenda. How does that promote it. Does that mean Wonder Woman is promoting the views of the Germans in that film? promotes Killmonger's agenda by trying to make Killmonger look sympathic: "I've had a rough life. My father was murdered when I was a kid. I was abandoned by my uncle in a country that brought my ancestors over on slave ships. My race has been oppressed for hundreds of years." Making a character more than one dimensional and giving him motivation is not promoting their views. Also, more worryingly, you seem to have a big problem with any reference to black history |
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Post by sostie on Feb 18, 2018 23:04:44 GMT
You only gave it that score because it's a Marvel movie. I give each and every movie a fair chance and don't rate any movie until after I've seen it. Watching a crappy copy online is not a fair chance |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 18, 2018 23:12:37 GMT
You only gave it that score because it's a Marvel movie. Not true. I rated Max Steel a 1 out of 10 and that's not a Marvel movie. I also rated Spider-Man 2 a 10 out of 10, Spider-Man a 9 out of 10, and X-Men: Days of Future Past a 8 out of 10. Those are all Marvel movies. We already know that you'll give Infinity War a 1/10 I haven't seen IW yet so I don't have a rating for it yet since I give each and every movie a fair chance and don't rate any movie until after I've seen it. Hahahahahahahaha... Hahahahaha... Hahaha. |
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2018 23:47:16 GMT
Not true. I rated Max Steel a 1 out of 10 and that's not a Marvel movie. I also rated Spider-Man 2 a 10 out of 10, Spider-Man a 9 out of 10, and X-Men: Days of Future Past a 8 out of 10. Those are all Marvel movies. They're not MCU movies though. Have you rated any MCU movie above a 2/10? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 19, 2018 0:10:04 GMT
Not true. I rated Max Steel a 1 out of 10 and that's not a Marvel movie. I also rated Spider-Man 2 a 10 out of 10, Spider-Man a 9 out of 10, and X-Men: Days of Future Past a 8 out of 10. Those are all Marvel movies. They're not MCU movies though. Have you rated any MCU movie above a 2/10? Yes, I rated Winter Soldier a 3/10. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 0:47:15 GMT
They're not MCU movies though. Have you rated any MCU movie above a 2/10? Yes, I rated Winter Soldier a 3/10. What do you think it is that sets a movie like Justice League apart from a movie like TWS? The intricate story telling? The world class special effects? The well thought out, coherent plot? The masterful pacing? An awesome villain?.......?  Please share your thoughts with the group.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 1:27:21 GMT
you go give it a 1/10. It's not a 1/10 movie. is indeed a 1/10 movie. If you're ashamed of comics. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 19, 2018 4:46:20 GMT
Black Panther is indeed a 1/10 movie. I'll list 4 reasons why Wonder Woman is a much better movie than Black Panther and reasons #1 and #4 are why I rate Black Panther a 1 out of 10. What you mainly said is why Wonder Woman is better than Black Panther though and that's fine but it doesn't really explain why it would be a 1/10. I rated Black Panther a 1/10 because the writing was just awful. See my thread here for an example of the numerous bad writing in Black Panther. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 19, 2018 4:50:34 GMT
What you mainly said is why Wonder Woman is better than Black Panther though and that's fine but it doesn't really explain why it would be a 1/10. I rated Black Panther a 1/10 because the writing was just awful. See my thread here for an example of the numerous bad writing in Black Panther. Nah you rated Black Panther 1/10 because that’s what you wanted to rate it before you even saw it. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 19, 2018 5:35:19 GMT
What you mainly said is why Wonder Woman is better than Black Panther though and that's fine but it doesn't really explain why it would be a 1/10. I rated Black Panther a 1/10 because the writing was just awful. See my thread here for an example of the numerous bad writing in Black Panther. You rated it a 1 because you're a fuckin' troll and jealous of the MCU's success |
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