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Post by THawk on Feb 14, 2018 23:50:04 GMT
So the movie as a whole is quite great, but a part that bugged me a little bit was the history of black people that the story tried to present. Well, it was presented from the narratives of the bad guy Michael B. Jordan character, so maybe it's unfair to say it is the movie itself presenting it - but then, it was never really challenged in any way by the other characters.
Basically the narrative that black people were stolen from Africa as slaves, and are collectively oppressed all around the world to this day, hence the need for an uprising. All that is party true of course...but far, far from the whole truth. As anyone half educated knows, it was black slave owners that sold black people to the colonizers. So the specific references made in the movie to the slave ships really did not paint an accurate picture.
Second, the violence and oppression black people around the world face - as much as white people are at fault, so are other black people. The Rwandan genocide - black people slaughtered black people. The various ethnic conflicts all around Africa today - in DR Congo, South Sudan - that's black people killing black people for control and power and money. It is all a million miles away from "a unified black race being oppressed by others" as the bad guy suggested. If oppressed black people are going to be overthrowing anyone, most of the times within their local context it's going to be other black people.
And third of all, perhaps the most misleading part, is trying to present black people in America as being part of this same narrative of oppression. WTF. The most oppressed black dude in America today, simply by virtue of his/her American passport, is more privileged than the majority of mankind, including masses upon masses of white or white-ish people. The fundamental conflicts of the world today are between the haves and the have-nots; not between races.
So again, IDK if this is necessarily an error that the movie as a whole was making, but if it was just supposed to be the screwed up perceptions of the bad dude, it's weird that no one really challenged them. The only real response from the good guys was "sure, but that is not the proper way to go about it."
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Post by politicidal on Feb 15, 2018 2:23:27 GMT
I found a reddit thread that gave Killmonger's reasoning and to me, it felt like a rendition of the same dynamic that the XMEN films tried with Professor X and Magneto. Like one is Dr. King and the other Malcolm X, who in relation to Killmonger also held anti-white views until near the end of his life. Sounds like it's Killmonger going to the extreme end due to what happened to his father, if the spoilers I read were accurate? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 2:30:44 GMT
Marvel panders to the ignorant left. Been this way for a few years now.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 15, 2018 2:35:34 GMT
Marvel Disney panders to the ignorant left. Been this way for a few years now. Just a respectful correction. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 15, 2018 5:20:04 GMT
So the movie as a whole is quite great, but a part that bugged me a little bit was the history of black people that the story tried to present. Well, it was presented from the narratives of the bad guy Michael B. Jordan character, so maybe it's unfair to say it is the movie itself presenting it - but then, it was never really challenged in any way by the other characters. Basically the narrative that black people were stolen from Africa as slaves, and are collectively oppressed all around the world to this day, hence the need for an uprising. All that is party true of course...but far, far from the whole truth. As anyone half educated knows, it was black slave owners that sold black people to the colonizers. So the specific references made in the movie to the slave ships really did not paint an accurate picture. Second, the violence and oppression black people around the world face - as much as white people are at fault, so are other black people. The Rwandan genocide - black people slaughtered black people. The various ethnic conflicts all around Africa today - in DR Congo, South Sudan - that's black people killing black people for control and power and money. It is all a million miles away from "a unified black race being oppressed by others" as the bad guy suggested. If oppressed black people are going to be overthrowing anyone, most of the times within their local context it's going to be other black people. And third of all, perhaps the most misleading part, is trying to present black people in America as being part of this same narrative of oppression. WTF. The most oppressed black dude in America today, simply by virtue of his/her American passport, is more privileged than the majority of mankind, including masses upon masses of white or white-ish people. The fundamental conflicts of the world today are between the haves and the have-nots; not between races. So again, IDK if this is necessarily an error that the movie as a whole was making, but if it was just supposed to be the screwed up perceptions of the bad dude, it's weird that no one really challenged them. The only real response from the good guys was "sure, but that is not the proper way to go about it." So the movie is about racism? |
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Post by THawk on Feb 15, 2018 16:39:47 GMT
So the movie as a whole is quite great, but a part that bugged me a little bit was the history of black people that the story tried to present. Well, it was presented from the narratives of the bad guy Michael B. Jordan character, so maybe it's unfair to say it is the movie itself presenting it - but then, it was never really challenged in any way by the other characters. Basically the narrative that black people were stolen from Africa as slaves, and are collectively oppressed all around the world to this day, hence the need for an uprising. All that is party true of course...but far, far from the whole truth. As anyone half educated knows, it was black slave owners that sold black people to the colonizers. So the specific references made in the movie to the slave ships really did not paint an accurate picture. Second, the violence and oppression black people around the world face - as much as white people are at fault, so are other black people. The Rwandan genocide - black people slaughtered black people. The various ethnic conflicts all around Africa today - in DR Congo, South Sudan - that's black people killing black people for control and power and money. It is all a million miles away from "a unified black race being oppressed by others" as the bad guy suggested. If oppressed black people are going to be overthrowing anyone, most of the times within their local context it's going to be other black people. And third of all, perhaps the most misleading part, is trying to present black people in America as being part of this same narrative of oppression. WTF. The most oppressed black dude in America today, simply by virtue of his/her American passport, is more privileged than the majority of mankind, including masses upon masses of white or white-ish people. The fundamental conflicts of the world today are between the haves and the have-nots; not between races. So again, IDK if this is necessarily an error that the movie as a whole was making, but if it was just supposed to be the screwed up perceptions of the bad dude, it's weird that no one really challenged them. The only real response from the good guys was "sure, but that is not the proper way to go about it." So the movie is about racism? It goes to big lengths to avoid terms such as "racism," "white," or even "black," but basically presents the world as if there's a unified black race under worldwide oppression that needs to be liberated. Which is as silly as it sounds. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 16, 2018 4:28:12 GMT
So the movie is about racism? It goes to big lengths to avoid terms such as "racism," "white," or even "black," but basically presents the world as if there's a unified black race under worldwide oppression that needs to be liberated. Which is as silly as it sounds. WOW! Sounds like a really awful movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 5:37:46 GMT
It's never really said in the movie that blacks don't oppress other blacks. Nor that blacks didn't sell other blacks in the slave trade (in fact, Killmonger's final line to T'Challa about preferring to drown than be in his chains seemed to me to be a nod to that).
Killmonger was raised in America so of course he's gonna be more focused on African American struggles than African African ones.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 16, 2018 12:21:14 GMT
It goes to big lengths to avoid terms such as "racism," "white," or even "black," but basically presents the world as if there's a unified black race under worldwide oppression that needs to be liberated. Which is as silly as it sounds. WOW! Sounds like a really awful movie. We all know we can't take your opinion seriously because you're a fuckin' troll |
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 16, 2018 12:49:20 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 17, 2018 3:35:58 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. So it looks like the critics over-rated it, probably because they're afraid to be called racist if they give BP a bad rating, but the audience doesn't like it. The audience rating on RT for BP is only 3.9 out of 5. By comparison, Wonder Woman's audience rating on RT is 88% and 4.3 out of 5. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 17, 2018 3:41:05 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. So it looks like the critics over-rated it, probably because they're afraid to be called racist if they give BP a bad rating, but the audience doesn't like it. The audience rating on RT for BP is only 3.9 out of 5. By comparison, Wonder Woman's audience rating on RT is 88% and 4.3 out of 5. *the audience doesn’t like it* I didn’t know 74% was a negative number. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 17, 2018 3:42:24 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. So it looks like the critics over-rated it, probably because they're afraid to be called racist if they give BP a bad rating, but the audience doesn't like it. The audience rating on RT for BP is only 3.9 out of 5. By comparison, Wonder Woman's audience rating on RT is 88% and 4.3 out of 5. Will this be the excuse you use if Black Panther tops Wonder Woman on RT top 50? |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 17, 2018 3:45:17 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. So it looks like the critics over-rated it, probably because they're afraid to be called racist if they give BP a bad rating, but the audience doesn't like it. The audience rating on RT for BP is only 3.9 out of 5. By comparison, Wonder Woman's audience rating on RT is 88% and 4.3 out of 5. Typical you, making excuses because you're upset Marvel had another huge hit! |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 17, 2018 3:48:01 GMT
He’s so predictable. I said this in another thread:
“He’ll probably say something like “critics rating doesn’t matter, only the audience rating matters and Wonder Woman has a higher audience rating therefore it is the greatest superhero movie of all time”.”
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 17, 2018 3:57:09 GMT
He’s so predictable. I said this in another thread: “He’ll probably say something like “critics rating doesn’t matter, only the audience rating matters and Wonder Woman has a higher audience rating therefore it is the greatest superhero movie of all time”.” I kind of like my trolls to be more subtle. Throw in some variance here and there. His style is more stab it to the hilt in one thrust and be done with it. Where's the delicate or understated comments? Then when they least expected go full on Troll. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 5:25:01 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. The folks who were out to bash the film for being too African to begin with. |
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Post by sostie on Feb 17, 2018 9:05:09 GMT
Really disappointing reviews of the movie on IMDB, as well as Reddit--and the RT audience just plummeted to 77%, way below most Marvel films and Wonder Woman--IMDB audience saying its too long, generic plot, bad lighting, poor CGI etc The RT audience score is down to 74%. So it looks like the critics over-rated it, probably because they're afraid to be called racist if they give BP a bad rating, but the audience doesn't like it. The audience rating on RT for BP is only 3.9 out of 5. By comparison, Wonder Woman's audience rating on RT is 88% and 4.3 out of 5. Don't quote the audience score...you burned that bridge a long time ago when you refused to acknowledge audience scores because it meant so many Marvel films were "better" or equally as good as Wonder Woman. And now it looks a possibility BP may end up Top of your beloved 50 list what are you going to do then? Quoting audience scores opens the door for other MCU films to be considered better than WW, quoting the 50 best list might have you admitting a Marvel film is better than WW. Oh what conundrum you have created for yourself. Guess you'll just go silent and ignore any future posts regarding the matter, much like you did with the Oscar nominations. |
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