Father Jack
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 15, 2018 17:39:44 GMT
You made the generic "If we take guns away, only criminals will have guns," argument. Using that logic, there would be no limit as to what arsenal anybody could build because you don't want the criminals to be the only ones doing it. The idea that 'the solution to guns is more guns' is straight from the NRA and explains why gun sales skyrocket after mass shootings. Jesus no I did not. You keep putting words in my mouth. I just think that it needs to start with assault rifles and weapons of that sort. They need to be banned for everyone. Then we look at Mental Health. Certain mental health requirements must be met before you own any gun. Read the quote above that you responded to and think about your response. Does your response make sense with regards to my quoted post? No. How do you look at mental health? Every year 1 in 4 people suffer a mental health problem. Do you have a crystal ball to see who that will be? Fuck me, this is the 35th school shooting in the US already this year. It's the only country in the world where this is a normal everyday event. Just make private gun ownership illegal.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 15, 2018 17:43:12 GMT
I just think that it needs to start with assault rifles and weapons of that sort. They need to be banned for everyone. Then we look at Mental Health. Certain mental health requirements must be met before you own any gun. I can understand people who legitimately are hunters owning their hunting rifles. I can even understand people keeping a hand gun for 'protection' even though all statistics show us that handguns make families less safe.. But I can understand the mentality. But assault style weapons are made for one thing: shooting a large number of rounds at people in a short amount of time. They are weapons specifically designed only to kill a lot of people. There is no legitimate reason to own them. This 'well regulated militia' is a false and outdated notion. I think if you're a hobbyist who wants to shoot at targets they should never leave the range. But at the absolute very least why can't we treat guns like cars? Why can you buy a gun and not have to pass a test to be licensed after proper training to learn how to safely own and operate it? That's the most common sense law I can imagine, and I can't fathom how a thinking person could possibly be opposed to such a thing. The mental health angle is the most frustrating thing. You hear these politicians skirt the issue of guns by citing 'we need to do a better job on mental health' but they have no actual ideas whatsoever on what that means. It's just used as an excuse and it's absolutely reprehensible to do so.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 15, 2018 17:53:52 GMT
Great, I quit the Politics Board and it follows me around.
Unfortunately, banning guns won't work. This country (and the UK) bans hard drugs. Does it work? Is it impossible to obtains and use heroin, coke, meth? Back in the day, this country banned alcohol. how did that work? What the answer, damned if I know. But gun bans are a fairy tale about on a level as "Let's get Harry Potter's wand, wave it and turn all the guns into swizzle sticks"
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 15, 2018 17:59:04 GMT
Great, I quit the Politics Board and it follows me around. Unfortunately, banning guns won't work. This country (and the UK) bans hard drugs. Does it work? Is it impossible to obtains and use heroin, coke, meth? Back in the day, this country banned alcohol. how did that work? What the answer, damned if I know. But gun bans are a fairy tale about on a level as "Let's get Harry Potter's wand, wave it and turn all the guns into swizzle sticks" But banning assault rifles and the like would reduce incidents. If heroin was available at Target wouldn’t more people do heroin? Jesus enough with the “we can’t eliminate it so let’s do nothing” argument.
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Father Jack
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 15, 2018 18:11:46 GMT
Great, I quit the Politics Board and it follows me around. Unfortunately, banning guns won't work. This country (and the UK) bans hard drugs. Does it work? Is it impossible to obtains and use heroin, coke, meth? Back in the day, this country banned alcohol. how did that work? What the answer, damned if I know. But gun bans are a fairy tale about on a level as "Let's get Harry Potter's wand, wave it and turn all the guns into swizzle sticks" Because choosing to partake of psychoactive substances yourself in any way relates to gun ownership😅
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 15, 2018 18:12:12 GMT
Great, I quit the Politics Board and it follows me around. Unfortunately, banning guns won't work. This country (and the UK) bans hard drugs. Does it work? Is it impossible to obtains and use heroin, coke, meth? Back in the day, this country banned alcohol. how did that work? What the answer, damned if I know. But gun bans are a fairy tale about on a level as "Let's get Harry Potter's wand, wave it and turn all the guns into swizzle sticks" But banning assault rifles and the like would reduce incidents. If heroin was available at Target wouldn’t more people do heroin? Jesus enough with the “we can’t eliminate it so let’s do nothing” argument. Jesus, if I really wanted to shoot up, I would be able to do so fairly easily. No need to go to Target. If i really wanted to shoot up a crowd with an illegal AR-15, I could get one fairly easily.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2018 18:18:42 GMT
But banning assault rifles and the like would reduce incidents. If heroin was available at Target wouldn’t more people do heroin? Jesus enough with the “we can’t eliminate it so let’s do nothing” argument. Jesus, if I really wanted to shoot up, I would be able to do so fairly easily. No need to go to Target. If i really wanted to shoot up a crowd with an illegal AR-15, I could get one fairly easily. It isn't anywhere near as frequent in other countries compared to the US. Do you think it might be because it's harder to get guns elsewhere compared to the US?
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Feb 15, 2018 18:19:21 GMT
But banning assault rifles and the like would reduce incidents. If heroin was available at Target wouldn’t more people do heroin? Jesus enough with the “we can’t eliminate it so let’s do nothing” argument. Jesus, if I really wanted to shoot up, I would be able to do so fairly easily. No need to go to Target. If i really wanted to shoot up a crowd with an illegal AR-15, I could get one fairly easily. Hence the problem! Make it so hard to get these guns that some emo 19 year old or disgruntled co-worker can't get them. But you're not even there yet, assault rifles aren't illegal and that's the problem.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 15, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
Jesus, if I really wanted to shoot up, I would be able to do so fairly easily. No need to go to Target. If i really wanted to shoot up a crowd with an illegal AR-15, I could get one fairly easily. It isn't anywhere near as frequent in other countries compared to the US. Do you think it might be because it's harder to get guns elsewhere compared to the US? It's not that difficult to obtain firearms in Canada. The registration laws were done away with in 2012. Unfortunately, it's the gun culture in the US. It's sickening. And if you want to strengthen the gun culture, start threatening gun control. A big reason we have a Republican Congress is because the right spent eight years peddling the tired threat that Obama was going to take everyone's guns through Executive orders. When you look at an electoral map, where's all that red? In rural America. Maybe it's the cynic in me, I don't know. I do know I should stay away from Political arguments on this site.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2018 18:47:48 GMT
It isn't anywhere near as frequent in other countries compared to the US. Do you think it might be because it's harder to get guns elsewhere compared to the US? It's not that difficult to obtain firearms in Canada. The registration laws were done away with in 2012. Unfortunately, it's the gun culture in the US. It's sickening. And if you want to strengthen the gun culture, start threatening gun control. A big reason we have a Republican Congress is because the right spent eight years peddling the tired threat that Obama was going to take everyone's guns through Executive orders. When you look at an electoral map, where's all that red? In rural America. Maybe it's the cynic in me, I don't know. I do know I should stay away from Political arguments on this site. You're dead on about congress and the Obama fear factor. I hear you on gun culture, it's actually a point I made when this discussion came up on the old site. It goes beyond gun control or even mental health. It's the messages we send as a culture to our people. I admit I don't have an answer for that, but we can do something about gun control itself. The citizenship shouldn't ignore the problem simply because one segment of it will become more volatile. I've never even been to the Politics board, here or the old site. Debates about the best basketball player are much less depressing than real world shit people are never going to agree on. As a political centrist, I can't decide if the gun debate should be apolitical or if it's the ultimate American political talking point. I just know we need to do something to make it harder for maniacs (let alone kids) to mow down crowds of people as a response to slights real or imagined.
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