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Post by WullieFort on Feb 15, 2018 7:34:44 GMT
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 15, 2018 10:48:36 GMT
Florida governor Scott has an A+ rating from the NRA, and a whole lot of money from them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:00:18 GMT
More guns lol.
America... F'ck yeah!
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Feb 15, 2018 11:51:14 GMT
We need some more a dem gunz! *spits*
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 15, 2018 12:11:16 GMT
Not news... the 35th school shooting in the US in 2018... somebody gets shot in a US school every 60 hours.
If only more people had guns. Idiots.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 15, 2018 12:32:09 GMT
What is the alternative? I heard the school was a gun free zone. I am shocked that did not stop this shooting. Criminals do not follow the law. I am not some gun nut. I do not even own one, but to think there is some wand we can wave that will get rid of all of the guns is insane. If we start taking them from citizens, then the only ones with guns are the criminals. I do agree something needs to be done, but a major change will take decades here. Guns are so ingrained into the culture here. Unless we can make all guns illegal and severely punish people who break this law, then nothing will change.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 15, 2018 13:02:03 GMT
The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2018 13:06:32 GMT
What is the alternative? I heard the school was a gun free zone. I am shocked that did not stop this shooting. Criminals do not follow the law. I am not some gun nut. I do not even own one, but to think there is some wand we can wave that will get rid of all of the guns is insane. If we start taking them from citizens, then the only ones with guns are the criminals. I do agree something needs to be done, but a major change will take decades here. Guns are so ingrained into the culture here. Unless we can make all guns illegal and severely punish people who break this law, then nothing will change. If we start taking hand grenades from citizens, only criminals will have them. This argument makes no sense. Never has and never will. You want a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to protect your home, fine. There's no reason military grade hardware should be available to the general public. And the fact that they could obtain it illegally does not rationalize arming everyone to the teeth just in case. It's ludicrous. How do you feel about the Vegas shooting? Do you think there would have been more or less carnage if half of the crowd was armed and began firing back in the general direction of the shooter? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 15, 2018 13:48:15 GMT
Oh well shit happens those kids should have known better than to stand in front of moving bullets.
Seriously I fucking hate people who say can’t do anything about it so let’s do nothing. If you support the NRA and vote for those who do, you’re no different than one who supports Al Qaeda or Hamas etc. and before you give me your standard rebuttal, yes, that one guy pulled the trigger, but the NRA allows it to happen. Hell, they WANT it to happen, to get more guns out there. Every time an incident like this happens, you couldn’t wipe the smiles off their faces with a shotgun blast. No sensible person should be against gun control.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 13:52:46 GMT
America should have a secret armed force of ninja trained seven-year-olds constantly walking the streets, ready to jump onto action when a shooting happens.
Either that or ban guns.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Feb 15, 2018 13:52:54 GMT
What is the alternative? I heard the school was a gun free zone. I am shocked that did not stop this shooting. Criminals do not follow the law. I am not some gun nut. I do not even own one, but to think there is some wand we can wave that will get rid of all of the guns is insane. If we start taking them from citizens, then the only ones with guns are the criminals. I do agree something needs to be done, but a major change will take decades here. Guns are so ingrained into the culture here. Unless we can make all guns illegal and severely punish people who break this law, then nothing will change. If we start taking hand grenades from citizens, only criminals will have them. This argument makes no sense. Never has and never will. You want a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to protect your home, fine. There's no reason military grade hardware should be available to the general public. And the fact that they could obtain it illegally does not rationalize arming everyone to the teeth just in case. It's ludicrous. How do you feel about the Vegas shooting? Do you think there would have been more or less carnage if half of the crowd was armed and began firing back in the general direction of the shooter? This. Nobody is, nor has anybody legitimately suggested, banning all guns. But to sit back and just throw our hands up in the air as if there is no solution is poppycock when military grade weapons and armor are available as you said. Every single country that has enacted some form of gun control (control, not an outright ban) has seen improvement. That's at least a good start. We all take our shoes off at the airport because one asshole one time built a shoe bomb. Why aren't dead children repeatedly strewn about the lawn worthy of at least a discussion amongst adults? A combination of getting rid of military grade weapons and improving access to healthcare should be right at the forefront and sadly it isn't, and probably won't be for a while. And yes, some people are actually suggesting arming teachers. While I Imagine that would never actually happen, the mere fact that anyone thinks this would help is pure insanity. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 13:56:01 GMT
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 15, 2018 14:27:06 GMT
If we start taking hand grenades from citizens, only criminals will have them. This argument makes no sense. Never has and never will. You want a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to protect your home, fine. There's no reason military grade hardware should be available to the general public. And the fact that they could obtain it illegally does not rationalize arming everyone to the teeth just in case. It's ludicrous. How do you feel about the Vegas shooting? Do you think there would have been more or less carnage if half of the crowd was armed and began firing back in the general direction of the shooter? This. Nobody is, nor has anybody legitimately suggested, banning all guns. But to sit back and just throw our hands up in the air as if there is no solution is poppycock when military grade weapons and armor are available as you said. Every single country that has enacted some form of gun control (control, not an outright ban) has seen improvement. That's at least a good start. We all take our shoes off at the airport because one asshole one time built a shoe bomb. Why aren't dead children repeatedly strewn about the lawn worthy of at least a discussion amongst adults? A combination of getting rid of military grade weapons and improving access to healthcare should be right at the forefront and sadly it isn't, and probably won't be for a while. And yes, some people are actually suggesting arming teachers. While I Imagine that would never actually happen, the mere fact that anyone thinks this would help is pure insanity. Exactly this. I don't think logical people expect to get the number of violent incidents to zero after enacting some form of gun control (although it would be nice). But isn't a 50% reduction a step in the right direction? 25%? Hell, if one less kid and one less family has to deal with this it will be worth it. I always feel conflicted about one thing. There's a part of me that wishes one of these Senator's or NRA bigwig's kids was involved in the shooting, either as a victim or perpetrator, just to see how fast the hypocrisy will show in their reaction. Maybe if Mitch McConnell's grandchild was at Sandy Hook or Las Vegas we'd finally see some progress on this front. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 15, 2018 14:34:05 GMT
What is the alternative? I heard the school was a gun free zone. I am shocked that did not stop this shooting. Criminals do not follow the law. I am not some gun nut. I do not even own one, but to think there is some wand we can wave that will get rid of all of the guns is insane. If we start taking them from citizens, then the only ones with guns are the criminals. I do agree something needs to be done, but a major change will take decades here. Guns are so ingrained into the culture here. Unless we can make all guns illegal and severely punish people who break this law, then nothing will change. If we start taking hand grenades from citizens, only criminals will have them. This argument makes no sense. Never has and never will. You want a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to protect your home, fine. There's no reason military grade hardware should be available to the general public. And the fact that they could obtain it illegally does not rationalize arming everyone to the teeth just in case. It's ludicrous. How do you feel about the Vegas shooting? Do you think there would have been more or less carnage if half of the crowd was armed and began firing back in the general direction of the shooter? I agree with this. When did I even mention military hardware? I think things like that should be banned. In fact, I wish that guns did not even exist. Think about how much better this world would be if no one anywhere had a gun. I do not like guns. I do not own a gun. Still, this is a strange country and people here are crazy about guns. Go to Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, or Mississippi and tell them we need to even regulate guns slightly. They lose their minds. It is insane. |
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Post by Father Jack on Feb 15, 2018 14:50:27 GMT
The shooter was mentally ill... that's American speak for the shooter was white.
People get stabbed here. Do I think everyone should legally be able to carry knives? Hell no, that would be retarded.
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Post by WullieFort on Feb 15, 2018 16:14:32 GMT
. I do agree something needs to be done, but a major change will take decades here. Guns are so ingrained into the culture here. Unless we can make all guns illegal and severely punish people who break this law, then nothing will change. So be it. It may take a lifetime or several lifetimes but it has to be done. What was the reaction to the proposal to ban smoking ? Did not the big tobacco companies spend many millions trying to make sure that didn't happen ? It helped that the statement "It's bad for your health" was made visible to one and all. So guns aren't bad for your health ? or is it that the NRA is just toooooooo big to fuck with ? |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 15, 2018 16:30:26 GMT
So guns aren't bad for your health ? or is it that the NRA is just toooooooo big to fuck with ? Guns aren't even allowed to be studied as a public health issue. I guess the NRA is too big to fuck with. Nothing seems to change that. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
If we start taking hand grenades from citizens, only criminals will have them. This argument makes no sense. Never has and never will. You want a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun for hunting or to protect your home, fine. There's no reason military grade hardware should be available to the general public. And the fact that they could obtain it illegally does not rationalize arming everyone to the teeth just in case. It's ludicrous. How do you feel about the Vegas shooting? Do you think there would have been more or less carnage if half of the crowd was armed and began firing back in the general direction of the shooter? I agree with this. When did I even mention military hardware? I think things like that should be banned. In fact, I wish that guns did not even exist. Think about how much better this world would be if no one anywhere had a gun. I do not like guns. I do not own a gun. Still, this is a strange country and people here are crazy about guns. Go to Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, or Mississippi and tell them we need to even regulate guns slightly. They lose their minds. It is insane. You made the generic "If we take guns away, only criminals will have guns," argument. Using that logic, there would be no limit as to what arsenal anybody could build because you don't want the criminals to be the only ones doing it. The idea that 'the solution to guns is more guns' is straight from the NRA and explains why gun sales skyrocket after mass shootings. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 15, 2018 17:07:25 GMT
I agree with this. When did I even mention military hardware? I think things like that should be banned. In fact, I wish that guns did not even exist. Think about how much better this world would be if no one anywhere had a gun. I do not like guns. I do not own a gun. Still, this is a strange country and people here are crazy about guns. Go to Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, or Mississippi and tell them we need to even regulate guns slightly. They lose their minds. It is insane. You made the generic "If we take guns away, only criminals will have guns," argument. Using that logic, there would be no limit as to what arsenal anybody could build because you don't want the criminals to be the only ones doing it. The idea that 'the solution to guns is more guns' is straight from the NRA and explains why gun sales skyrocket after mass shootings. Jesus no I did not. You keep putting words in my mouth. I just think that it needs to start with assault rifles and weapons of that sort. They need to be banned for everyone. Then we look at Mental Health. Certain mental health requirements must be met before you own any gun. Read the quote above that you responded to and think about your response. Does your response make sense with regards to my quoted post? No. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2018 17:28:48 GMT
You made the generic "If we take guns away, only criminals will have guns," argument. Using that logic, there would be no limit as to what arsenal anybody could build because you don't want the criminals to be the only ones doing it. The idea that 'the solution to guns is more guns' is straight from the NRA and explains why gun sales skyrocket after mass shootings. . I just think that it needs to start with assault rifles and weapons of that sort. They need to be banned for everyone. Then we look at Mental Health. Certain mental health requirements must be met before you own any gun. Read the quote above that you responded to and think about your response. Does your response make sense with regards to my quoted post? No. Seriously? You posted it, I quoted it, now I'm quoting it again. You said this now own it, stop trying to backpedal. Maybe you should read through your own posts before trying to understand mine? |
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