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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 10:40:07 GMT
Disney periodically bombs a movie on purpose to keep people from figuring out their plan?Also I don't think you know how many Disney movies didn't make their production budget back during their theatrical run. And..they are still in business right? All those bombs... No harm done right? In fact, they even had the spare change to buy all of FOX's film business. They are so hurtin' for cash aren't they? In fact, it only confirms that they are running a subsidized business. if they were losing money--they would have a stock holder riot and heads would roll--changes in direction etc. Nope. Might also point out that after Tim Allen was outed for attending Trump's inauguration his successful (according to the press) tv show was not picked up by ABC (owned by Disney)--they said it was owned by another production company so they didnt have it renewed. Are they saying Disney didnt have the cash to buy the show or the company? Even though they had a spare $60 billion for FOX? They only devote their big marketing engine for those films that carry the most SJW weight--and those are the mass market films like the MCU or Star Wars. You could say they are too big to fail. I predict right now we wont be seeing any critics breaking with the MCU or SW lovefest no matter how much the audience reviews differ-and Disney will keep saying it is a constant bigger and better success.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 13:36:09 GMT
Disney periodically bombs a movie on purpose to keep people from figuring out their plan?Also I don't think you know how many Disney movies didn't make their production budget back during their theatrical run. And..they are still in business right? All those bombs... No harm done right? In fact, they even had the spare change to buy all of FOX's film business. They are so hurtin' for cash aren't they? In fact, it only confirms that they are running a subsidized business. if they were losing money--they would have a stock holder riot and heads would roll--changes in direction etc. Nope. Might also point out that after Tim Allen was outed for attending Trump's inauguration his successful (according to the press) tv show was not picked up by ABC (owned by Disney)--they said it was owned by another production company so they didnt have it renewed. Are they saying Disney didnt have the cash to buy the show or the company? Even though they had a spare $60 billion for FOX? They only devote their big marketing engine for those films that carry the most SJW weight--and those are the mass market films like the MCU or Star Wars. You could say they are too big to fail. I predict right now we wont be seeing any critics breaking with the MCU or SW lovefest no matter how much the audience reviews differ-and Disney will keep saying it is a constant bigger and better success. Ok lets take this one point at a time. The bombs. I listed those movies that didn't make their production budget back during it's theatrical run. That is the definition of a flop or bomb. You inferred that disney does that to cover their tracks. I was asking if disney sacrificed all the movies. Now you do know there are other ways studios make money off of movies right? DVD Sales, Vod rentals, licensing out the movie to Premium Cable channels, licencing out to normal cable stations, and finally licencing it out to broadcast channels. So just because a movie flops at the theater doesn't mean that the studios can recoup some or all of those losses. It just takes a lot of time. And guess what business' would rather make a profit now instead of having to wait for money slowly trickling in months and years later. And you never told me why did Disney tank A Wrinkle in Time? That is a super SJW film but looks like it's been sacrificed to Black Panther. Ok now Last Man Standing. Fox made the show. They pay for the production. Then that licence the show to ABC. Now this is how TV works. As a show goes on the production costs rises. The talent starts to get larger and larger pay increases. It happens almost everytime. And usually actors writers etc start bargaining to get higher pay after 4th or 5th season when the show gets sold for syndication. The talent knows the studio who is making it starts to get more revenue from licencing out to other stations to show older seasons. Now Fox is getting those extra revenue streams not ABC. And even with the extra streams the costs to making the show keeps getting higher and higher each season. Fox isn't producing Last Man Standing to loose money so each season they negotiate the licencing fee to cover rising cost above and beyond the syndication revenue. ABC has to get the licencing fees lower than Ad Revenue from commercials. That is the only revenue stream ABC has to cover the cost of the licencing fee Fox charges. If the ad revenue is covering the cost of the Licensing fee and making money for ABC everyone is happy. The problem you get into on shows in their 4+ seasons is the ratings better be good enough to keep taking the risk of every increasing licences fees and your ad revenue. If you feel that it's getting riskier and riskier to bank on getting ads for the show then you look at cheaper shows you can put there. And even if the cheaper show might get you less ratings and thus smaller ad revenue at some point you go for the cheaper safer bet. Now Fox owns the show. ABC can't force Fox to sell them Last Man Standing. And they can't forcibly by Fox Tv Studio. And if you are Fox you don't want to sell the show to ABC. You have just spent 6 years investing in the show. You took the risk to make it. Now that it's bringing in syndication money you are going to sell it to the company you've been leasing it too? And forgo the syndication money, the dvd money, streaming money etc? The only way FOX would sell it to ABC would be if ABC gives a huge offer. If you were going to risk that then you should just licences it for another season. If ABC no longer wants to Licence it then it's smarter to shop it to other channels. (Fox tried this there were no takers. In the past this has happened before to other shows. Jag was a show that didn't get renewed by the original station so they shopped it out and CBS picked it up) Now you ask why when no other stations wanted to licence it why not sell to ABC. If no one was willing to licence the show why not sell it? You would think that would give Fox some money at least. Well for Fox it would be smarter to stop making the show and work on something new where the overhead is cheaper. And still get all the syndication money, streaming and dvd money with almost no overhead. That's the reason it was non-renewed. The Trump thing is an excuse. The Middle is another show ABC licences from Fox. It's on it's 9th and final season because the stars, staff and Fox are calling it done, not ABC. The math for The Middle never got into the same place as Last Man Standing for ABC. The fee's from Fox vs the Ad revenue was good. Patricia Heaton the star of The Middle is an outspoken Conservative and Trump supporter. And ABC never non-renewed the show. She was asked whether Donald Trump riding the support of working class voters to his 2016 presidential victory is a sign that the show is prematurely calling it quits after its ninth and final season. “Our timing really sucks,” replied star Patricia Heaton (Frankie). “We wait until it’s a hot topic, and then we leave.” Series co-creator Eileen Heisler told the crowd that the producers and cast members felt that this was the right time to say goodbye, as they want “to leave when people still want more of it.” “The decision for us to end the show was a very personal decision,” Heisler said. “Pretty much at the end of last year, we had the feeling that it meant a lot to us to know we had a season to think about it, and not to be here for nine years and [suddenly] that’s the end.” As a side note. ABC is bringing back the show Roseanne show. Roseanne Barr has credited Trump with her becoming a republican. She is a huge and vocal supporter. So much so that Roseanne Conner the character will be a vocal supporter of Trump. And the season is going to be set in the run up to the 2016 election. Where her daughter on the show is going to be a Hillary Supporter. That's going to be one of the dramatic beats of the season. So I don't think ABC has a problem with Vocal Trump supporters. On Audiences Scores vs Critics. It's funny nobody ever brings up Iron Fist 18% on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a very SJW show. Inhumans 10% Everyone assumes the critics love everything MCU. Now I could say that the Audience % on Rotten Tomatoes is a anonymous poll. Only thing it takes is a Facebook account . Last time I checked you can open as many Facebook accounts you want as long as you keep on getting email accounts. And last time i checked you can have an infinite numbers of Outlook Email accounts. You could never have even seen the movie and rate it. And you can do it as many times as you want as you keep opening email accounts and facebook accounts. Where as Cinema Score: has been measuring movie appeal by polling moviegoer reactions to major movie releases. The company calculates its "CinemaScore" movie grades for major movie releases in the U.S. and Canada by polling a regionally-balanced and statistically robust sample of opening night moviegoers. You know that the Cinema Score answers are from people who have seen it. The lowest score from the audience they sampled of all the MCU is Thor with a B+. By that metric then The audience loves the MCU just as much as the Critics. Lets go with the Rotten Tomatoes score though. I choose that because of the discrepancy between the Critics and Audience score For Black Panther. That gives your pov a win right off the bat. Obviously the critics loved it more than the general public. (again lets forget it's an anonymous online poll that you can vote as many times you want, but the actual polling of the viewers gave it a A+) Lets see how the rest of the MCU fair on RT critics vs Audience: Black Panther (2018) Critic 97% Audience 79%Thor: Ragnarok (2017) Critic 92% Audience 87% Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) Critic 92% Audience 88% Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) Critic 83% Audience 88% Doctor Strange (2016) Critic 90% Audience 86% Captain America: Civil War (2016) Critic 91% Audience 89% Ant-Man (2015) Critic 82% Audience 86% Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) Critic 75% Audience 83%
Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) Critic 91% Audience 92% Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) Critic 89% Audience 92% Thor: The Dark World (2013) Critic 66% Audience 77%
Iron Man 3 (2013) Critic 80% Audience 78% Marvel's The Avengers (2012) Critic 92% Audience 91% Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) Critic 80% Audience 74% Thor (2011) Critic 77% Audience 76% Iron Man 2 (2010) Critic 73% Audience 72% The Incredible Hulk (2008) Critic 67% Audience 71% Iron Man (2008) Critic 94% Audience 91% It looks like the audience and critics scores are pretty dead on. Most are within 5% points. The Outliers are high lighted. And it seems Black Panther is the worst, but the next two biggest gaps are saying the Audience liked it more than the Critics. And it's weird. I think I saw some articles about trolls on the net taking credit for killing the Audience Score for The Last Jedi, and said they were going to do the same to Black Panther. It was a big hubub before Black Panther came out. Strange isn't it? That an anonymous online poll could be so different than an actual person to person written poll. You don't think that happened do you? There is no way to move your point of view at all. I just wanted to give an opposing view. Your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to that. Hope you have a good rest of your weekend. Oh by the way I don't know if this means anything to you are not but I am a Conservative. I have voted for the Republican nominee for president every time I could vote except two times. G W Bush's second term I had the flu. And last election. I couldn't in good conscience vote for President Trump. I think he is a populist not a conservative. There is no chance my vote would've meant anything in SC anyway. SC was going to go to President Trump from the get go. So I abstained for the Presidential Vote. And I voted for the rest of the races.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 13:54:24 GMT
Ok lets take this one point at a time. The bombs. I listed those movies that didn't make their production budget back during it's theatrical run. That is the definition of a flop or bomb. You inferred that disney does that to cover their tracks. And even if the cheaper show might get you less ratings and thus smaller ad revenue at some point you go for the cheaper safer bet. As a side note. ABC is bringing back the show Roseanne show. And it's weird. I think I saw some articles about trolls on the net taking credit for killing the Audience Score for The Last Jedi, and said they were going to do the same to Black Panther. It was a big hubub before Black Panther came out. Strange isn't it? That an anonymous online poll could be so different than an actual person to person written poll. You don't think that happened do you? I never inferred that Disney is covering their tracks--it should be clear to you by now that they do not care what audiences think. Walt Disney's traditional audience is European Americans and that is the one audience that Wall Street Disney is not interested in. Their attitude is that that audience is passe`. As for Last Man Standing "A rep for 20th Century Fox TV said cancellation decisions are made by ABC. "This was a scheduling decision," wrote Jori Arancio, senior vice president of ABC Entertainment and ABC Studios. ABC and its production partner for the show, 20th Century Fox TV, typically negotiate licensing fees prior to each season; however, the network decided to cancel the show without doing so. Also, the contract between 20th Century Fox Television and ABC for the show, in which 20th Century Fox Television covered the cost of production, had expired after six seasons. Had the series been renewed for a seventh season, ABC would have been required to pick up Last Man Standing's production costs, which the network was unwilling to do.[42] The cancellation was met with outrage from the show's fans, many of whom took to social media to voice their displeasure and petition for another network to pick up the show.[43] It also happened some months after lead actor Tim Allen (who is also a real-life Republican) said in an interview on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, that being a Republican in Hollywood is "like 1930s Germany. You gotta be real careful around here, you know. You'll get beat up if you don't believe what everybody believes." His comment was widely criticized, especially his comparing the treatment of Republicans in Hollywood with Nazi Germany.[44] A viewer petition on the website Change.org calling for ABC to reinstate Last Man Standing surpassed 380,000 signatures as of May 23, 2017.[45] In a conference call with reporters earlier in May, ABC president Channing Dungey stated, "Last Man Standing was a challenging one for me, because it was a steady performer. Once we made the decision not to continue with comedy on Friday, it was just kind of that's where we landed." Dungey cited studio ownership, future creative direction, ratings and viewer engagement as all factors in her decision.[46] Tim Allen voiced his displeasure with the cancellation, tweeting on May 16: "Stunned and blindsided by the network I called home for the last six years."[47] On May 20, 2017, Howard Kurtzman, president of 20th Century Fox Television, reportedly showed some interest in his studio continuing to produce the show. "We're starting to explore that," Kurtzman said. "...[Fox Co-President] Jonnie [Davis] and I are hopeful that we can find another home for it."[48] Variety also confirmed in an exclusive report that 20th Century Fox Television would shop the series to other networks and streaming services in hopes it would be picked up for a seventh season;[49] another home has not yet been found, however." ABC bringing back Roseanne is consistent with their SJW philosophy. Roseanne is not a White Christian after all. And who wrote those articles saying that trolls were going to ruin BP's score? Actual people, or Disney hacks? I'd say Disney hacks--as Disney is a very politically-oriented. We already covered their history of selective facts. And this company was pro-Clinton. No surprise.
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Post by scabab on Mar 11, 2018 16:07:25 GMT
It's now at $1.078 billion.
This will probably even pass Iron Man 3.
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Post by cricket on Mar 11, 2018 17:44:50 GMT
It's now at $1.078 billion. This will probably even pass Iron Man 3. Yes and an update on the title will be highly appreciated...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 12, 2018 5:34:24 GMT
It's now at $1.078 billion. This will probably even pass Iron Man 3. Thus making Iron Man 3 a box office disappointment. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 12, 2018 10:02:25 GMT
Yeah shouldn't there be an update on the thread title?
This reminds me of CNN on election night.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 12, 2018 13:22:26 GMT
Saw it again on Friday night, the crowd really seemed to enjoy it. But I guess we're all corporate shills?
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Post by outrider127 on Mar 12, 2018 13:32:28 GMT
It opened really well in China($63 million), but the racism is widespread there, Chinese moviegoers saying the movie is 'too black'--Chinese critics were kind to the movie but the Chinese IMDB score is only 6.8, about the lowest score the Chinese audience has ever given a superhero movie--Article on redditmovies talks about it--TLJ bombed(total gross $42 million) in China in part because Finn had a Chinese girlfriend--The Chinese do accept blacks in supporting roles in movies, the Fast and Furious movies are huge hits over there--Chinese are extremely racist towards the few blacks they have over there, they keep them in one area, and some blacks have even returned to Africa--Its an Xenophobic and racist country, just like all Far East nations
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Post by cricket on Mar 12, 2018 13:37:23 GMT
Yeah shouldn't there be an update on the thread title? This reminds me of CNN on election night. Yeah, I do remember that night and some somber faces in there. Wait! Isn't something similar happening here? Or it is my imagination?
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Mar 12, 2018 13:38:14 GMT
Not to mention most of the deep south in the United States.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 12, 2018 13:41:48 GMT
It opened really well in China($63 million), but the racism is widespread there, Chinese moviegoers saying the movie is 'too black'--Chinese critics were kind to the movie but the Chinese IMDB score is only 6.8, about the lowest score the Chinese audience has ever given a superhero movie--Article on redditmovies talks about it--TLJ bombed(total gross $42 million) in China in part because Finn had a Chinese girlfriend--The Chinese do accept blacks in supporting roles in movies, the Fast and Furious movies are huge hits over there--Chinese are extremely racist towards the few blacks they have over there, they keep them in one area, and some blacks have even returned to Africa--Its an Xenophobic and racist country, just like all Far East nations I kept on hearing this and that it's so bad that it was going to make the movie bomb. I guess they weren't racist enough to not go to the movie. In The fast and the furious Black people have more than supporting roles. The Rock is half Black half Samoan. Vin Diesel is half white and have black.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 12, 2018 13:50:21 GMT
Not to mention most of the deep south in the United States. South Carolinian here. You are not wrong, but apparently when it comes to entertainment the majority of the racists here can keep there bigotry and idiocy in check long enough to watch a movie. 2 showings I went to was packed and probably 70% white 30% african-american. I have an anecdote where a couple of racist rednecks almost got me and my brother killed at the opening of A Time to Kill. They get to the scene where the rednecks on screen string the black child up. 2 fucking idiots 5 rows from me screamed "Hang that N..." the theater was about half full and maybe 10 white people total. I tried to blend into the seat for the rest of the movie. I am surprised those two guys didn't get beat down so hard it knocked the red off their necks. Nothing happened in the theater other than tension and awkwardness. I am not 100% sure that nothing happened to those guys in the parking lot though.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 12, 2018 14:11:54 GMT
Not to mention most of the deep south in the United States. South Carolinian here. You are not wrong, but apparently when it comes to entertainment the majority of the racists here can keep there bigotry and idiocy in check long enough to watch a movie. 2 showings I went to was packed and probably 70% white 30% african-american. I have an anecdote where a couple of racist rednecks almost got me and my brother killed at the opening of A Time to Kill. They get to the scene where the rednecks on screen string the black child up. 2 fucking idiots 5 rows from me screamed "Hang that N..." the theater was about half full and maybe 10 white people total. I tried to blend into the seat for the rest of the movie. I am surprised those two guys didn't get beat down so hard it knocked the red off their necks. Nothing happened in the theater other than tension and awkwardness. I am not 100% sure that nothing happened to those guys in the parking lot though. The situation in China is unfortunate... Disney/Marvel had good reason to open in this territory last.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 12, 2018 14:23:38 GMT
South Carolinian here. You are not wrong, but apparently when it comes to entertainment the majority of the racists here can keep there bigotry and idiocy in check long enough to watch a movie. 2 showings I went to was packed and probably 70% white 30% african-american. I have an anecdote where a couple of racist rednecks almost got me and my brother killed at the opening of A Time to Kill. They get to the scene where the rednecks on screen string the black child up. 2 fucking idiots 5 rows from me screamed "Hang that N..." the theater was about half full and maybe 10 white people total. I tried to blend into the seat for the rest of the movie. I am surprised those two guys didn't get beat down so hard it knocked the red off their necks. Nothing happened in the theater other than tension and awkwardness. I am not 100% sure that nothing happened to those guys in the parking lot though. The situation in China is unfortunate... Disney/Marvel had good reason to open in this territory last. I figured they opened it there last to help boost it in China. If they heard it was doing great in other parts of the world then maybe it would counter act systemic racism. I hate to say it but those comments are familiar. Lots of people use that type of descriptions as jokes. "Don't go to Columbiana Mall it gets dark there quick." That's the quote unquote Black Mall. And hundreds of different variants
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Mar 12, 2018 15:27:26 GMT
Not to mention most of the deep south in the United States. South Carolinian here. You are not wrong, but apparently when it comes to entertainment the majority of the racists here can keep there bigotry and idiocy in check long enough to watch a movie. 2 showings I went to was packed and probably 70% white 30% african-american. I have an anecdote where a couple of racist rednecks almost got me and my brother killed at the opening of A Time to Kill. They get to the scene where the rednecks on screen string the black child up. 2 fucking idiots 5 rows from me screamed "Hang that N..." the theater was about half full and maybe 10 white people total. I tried to blend into the seat for the rest of the movie. I am surprised those two guys didn't get beat down so hard it knocked the red off their necks. Nothing happened in the theater other than tension and awkwardness. I am not 100% sure that nothing happened to those guys in the parking lot though. I'm a lifelong St. Louisan, and I'm ashamed to say that it's one of the most racist and segregated cities in the country, far more than other midwestern cities...for that matter though, the entire state of Missouri is pretty backwards. I was really pretty surprised the night I saw BP, I live in a suburb that's 87% white, but the audience I saw it with was probably 87% African-American. It was also one of the very few movies I've seen that received applause at the end (St. Louisans are a boring lot when it comes to movies, and we really don't even attend them as much as people in other cities), which brought a genuine smile to my face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:19:36 GMT
Haha @ww and JL. Embarrassing...
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Post by Archelaus on Mar 13, 2018 1:09:47 GMT
I don't think so.
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Post by James on Mar 13, 2018 4:28:57 GMT
One domestically over one worldwide, highly unlikely. Then again, JL made only over $600M ww, and BP is making over $500M domestically. Give it time.
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