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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 10, 2018 19:15:20 GMT
Maybe X-men. I don't think so when it comes to Aquaman. It might be too soon for the story they are using. Maybe. But the worry is the non-MCU movies in Aquaman, Xmen Dark Phoenix and Venom are all released in the last 3 months of the year. With Infinity War and Antman 2 released before July, its a concern that by the time October rolls around, audiences may feel comic book movie fatigue. Of those 3, I think X-men is the winner. Only way I can see Venom doing well is if the next trailers are awesome. Justice League had to be good for Aquaman to do well. People will have to forget JL for Aquaman. No such thing as movie fatigue. Only bad movie fatigue. Enough bad movies, in a genre, in a row to have people not want to see these movies anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 19:36:49 GMT
Do you think it is possible that BP could double Justice League?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 22:50:12 GMT
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Post by cricket on Mar 10, 2018 23:31:51 GMT
Really? The movie just got one billion and all I see is people giving DC-fan and his dumb threads all the attention he is craving for. He seems to be way under the skin of many grow ups here.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 10, 2018 23:37:40 GMT
Really? The movie just got one billion and all I see is people giving DC-fan and his dumb threads all the attention he is craving for. He seems to be way under the skin of many grow ups here. I will give him a little attention. He's a dancing clown. If his shtick is fake it's still funny how absolutely craven, desperate and feeble it all is. If it's real and god I hope it is then it goes from funny to fucking hilarious.
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Post by cricket on Mar 10, 2018 23:49:04 GMT
Really? The movie just got one billion and all I see is people giving DC-fan and his dumb threads all the attention he is craving for. He seems to be way under the skin of many grow ups here. I will give him a little attention. He's a dancing clown. If his shtick is fake it's still funny how absolutely craven, desperate and feeble it all is. If it's real and god I hope it is then it goes from funny to fucking hilarious. Yeah, I understand that most of you just play with him like with a broken toy. However, for the untrained eye, after whatching the ammount of respnses and activity, it would look like if something really important is happening there...
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 0:49:35 GMT
I will give him a little attention. He's a dancing clown. If his shtick is fake it's still funny how absolutely craven, desperate and feeble it all is. If it's real and god I hope it is then it goes from funny to fucking hilarious. Yeah, I understand that most of you just play with him like with a broken toy. However, for the untrained eye, after whatching the ammount of respnses and activity, it would look like if something really important is happening there... True I am fairly new here so for the first week or so it was kinda of weird, but he is so outlandish it didn't take long to see what he is.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 0:57:11 GMT
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 1:11:52 GMT
Yeah but dude it's a movie about Black Panther. To us nerds he is a what low b high c level hero, but to the normies he's probably a d level. Most of them may have seen the kids in Do the Right Think talking about him and that's it. And I don't know how many would even remember that. I'm pretty sure all movies that gets to a billion have to have the 3rd world box office numbers. Though until this weekend it's domestic was really out striping the foreign numbers. And maybe it's just that I've lived in SC and NC my whole life so I see blatant racism on like a daily basis. (I had my brakes worked on 3 weeks ago and there were 3 middle age men in the lobby dropping the N word totally care free.) So to me seeing the crowds I saw in the theater that was amazing. It's a movie about Africans, in Africa, Directed by a African American, where even the Bad Guy is sympathetic to a degree and he wants all the Black people to rise up. That movie has stayed number 1 for 4 weeks? And one of 4 movies that had a 100m second weekend? This is huge.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 1:20:51 GMT
That movie has stayed number 1 for 4 weeks? And one of 4 movies that had a 100m second weekend? This is huge. I don't think it is so strange if blacks are flocking to see the movie. It would be weird if whites were--but clearly they are not. On forums devoted to comic book movies BP is not even being talked about. So it must be a black thing (which is what Disney wanted anyway). Unless they are fudging the numbers for political reasons which would definitely be Disney's style.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 1:30:10 GMT
That movie has stayed number 1 for 4 weeks? And one of 4 movies that had a 100m second weekend? This is huge. I don't think it is so strange if blacks are flocking to see the movie. It would be weird if whites were--but clearly they are not. On forums devoted to comic book movies BP is not even being talked about. So it must be a black thing (which is what Disney wanted anyway). Unless they are fudging the numbers for political reasons which would definitely be Disney's style. See that's the thing yeah Blacks are flocking to it, but for the movie to do what it's done in last 4 weeks domestically more than blacks had to go. They are only 13% of the population. In the U.S., 37% of the movie’s overall audience was African-American, which is well above the norm as the average movie audience is about 15% African-American, according to box office tracking company ComScore and Screen Engine. So White people are flocking to it too and repeat viewing.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 1:52:36 GMT
See that's the thing yeah Blacks are flocking to it, but for the movie to do what it's done in last 4 weeks domestically more than blacks had to go. They are only 13% of the population. In the U.S., 37% of the movie’s overall audience was African-American, which is well above the norm as the average movie audience is about 15% African-American, according to box office tracking company ComScore and Screen Engine. So White people are flocking to it too and repeat viewing. That's why I say it could be propaganda. BP is a political entity, it is not a movie. Lots of black-led movies have come along over the years and made a lot of money. The message here is that white people are not needed in movies. Contrary to what the media says, the movie business is not a supply-demand industry. They have money. They are not going to be without money anytime soon. If BP was as popular as they say among whites, it would be gushed about on forums and all over the place. Truthfully it is not being talked about. I guess it is so popular among whites they cannot bring themselves to express it yet.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 11, 2018 4:27:24 GMT
Really? The movie just got one billion and all I see is people giving DC-fan and his dumb threads all the attention he is craving for. He seems to be way under the skin of many grow ups here. You know that sound mosquitoes make?
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 4:56:42 GMT
See that's the thing yeah Blacks are flocking to it, but for the movie to do what it's done in last 4 weeks domestically more than blacks had to go. They are only 13% of the population. In the U.S., 37% of the movie’s overall audience was African-American, which is well above the norm as the average movie audience is about 15% African-American, according to box office tracking company ComScore and Screen Engine. So White people are flocking to it too and repeat viewing. That's why I say it could be propaganda. BP is a political entity, it is not a movie. Lots of black-led movies have come along over the years and made a lot of money. The message here is that white people are not needed in movies. Contrary to what the media says, the movie business is not a supply-demand industry. They have money. They are not going to be without money anytime soon. If BP was as popular as they say among whites, it would be gushed about on forums and all over the place.Truthfully it is not being talked about. I guess it is so popular among whites they cannot bring themselves to express it yet. That's anecdotal evidence at best. You don't see people talking about it online so therefore white people didn't go. He's some anecdotal evidence of my own. I've seen it 2 times. I live in SC. SC is 30% Black. So you would think the audience would be proportionally more black than in other places, but it wasn't in my two viewings. The overwhelming majority was white. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. The same thing that People aren't talking about the movie in forums that you've seen. (Just a informal question... I don't have any clue but how many non-comic readers do you think goes on to movie forums and discuss the superhero movies? My observation is not a lot) Superherohype, CBR, Comicvine, and Aintitcool forums look pretty active with lots gushing, but how are we to know who is white on those boards? Here is some actual evidence in the last 30 days #blackpanther has had 304 unique tweets per hour, 8.7M hashtag exposure per hour , 2984 retweets per hour . Seems like a lot of people are talking about it. Other evidence would be the polling stated above. If you don't like polling lets go with the numbers 3 different websites are reporting Domestically 55-57million tickets has been sold. There are 40,695,277 African Americans in the Us per 2015 census. That would be the equivalent of every black person from 1 day old to 100 went to see Black Panther in the last 4 weeks. and then 15 million more went to see it a second time. I guess you can doubt the tickets sold number is wrong even though it doesn't come from Disney. I guess you can doubt the US Census too. IF you are looking for conspiracies then you'll find them. If you don't trust the numbers given by studio then it's easy to doubt the success. If you don't trust websites with there box office numbers then it's easy to doubt it's success. If you gauge how many white people went to see it by not seeing forum traffic then I guess you can justify the statement that it's all black people going to see it. I'll trust the analytics and notion that for anything to get to 500million+ in domestic gross the largest demographic in the US aka White People have to watching it too.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 5:04:38 GMT
Superherohype, CBR, Comicvine, and Aintitcool forums look pretty active with lots gushing, but how are we to know who is white on those boards? Here is some actual evidence in the last 30 days #blackpanther has had 304 unique tweets per hour, 8.7M We dont know how many of those are paid shills and bots either. What we do know, is that Disney has a history of lying or making up facts. I.e. it claimed the reason it changed the gender race of a character in Dr. Strange was because it would bother China about Tibet (the moral implications of Disney's decision are interesting--it celebrates black nationalism but it against Tibet nationalism?). It said it had to add black characters in Asgard for diversity (not proven) and then it removes a white woman from Thor because, it claims, a nonwhite happened to give the best audition. But that begs the question, why was a nonwhite auditioning for a white woman role? Walk into the wrong room? Disney Corp is not honest, and they regard movies as propaganda vehicles(it seemed to bite them on the ass with the Last Jedi given fan reactions but I guess you will say in fact fans (including Hamill) actually love what they did). Rest assured, the next Disney corp. movie will get a billion x 2, 3, 4, 5. Because they say they will.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 8:05:19 GMT
Superherohype, CBR, Comicvine, and Aintitcool forums look pretty active with lots gushing, but how are we to know who is white on those boards? Here is some actual evidence in the last 30 days #blackpanther has had 304 unique tweets per hour, 8.7M We dont know how many of those are paid shills and bots either. What we do know, is that Disney has a history of lying or making up facts. I.e. it claimed the reason it changed the gender race of a character in Dr. Strange was because it would bother China about Tibet (the moral implications of Disney's decision are interesting--it celebrates black nationalism but it against Tibet nationalism?). It said it had to add black characters in Asgard for diversity (not proven) and then it removes a white woman from Thor because, it claims, a nonwhite happened to give the best audition. But that begs the question, why was a nonwhite auditioning for a white woman role? Walk into the wrong room? Disney Corp is not honest, and they regard movies as propaganda vehicles(it seemed to bite them on the ass with the Last Jedi given fan reactions but I guess you will say in fact fans (including Hamill) actually love what they did). Rest assured, the next Disney corp. movie will get a billion x 2, 3, 4, 5. Because they say they will. Yeah I just don't agree. It's cool everyone has an opinion. That's just mine. I will trust what Forbes, Deadline, etc report. Not because they are so trust worthy, but if Disney was inflating their numbers it would be brought out in the light in no time. Studio and Distribution executives have access to Rentrak and EDI. Those are 2 independent companies that get the actual grosses from theaters. Now they don't call every theater, but they do get the grosses from the large chain theaters. They pay for this info from the theaters. If the theaters lie or misrepresent then Rentrak and EDI eventually would find out and not trust them. With how narrow a margin theaters have for profit jeopardizing any revenue stream is foolhardy. They usually get 80-90% actuals this way. So there is a little wiggle room but not much. The studios pay Rentrak and EDI to get access to the full database. So when Transformers 4 came out Paramount said their number for the opening weekend was 100.03m. When that happened people all over hollywood, rival studios and hell some inside Paramount called bullshit with in hours of the estimate being released. Inside Paramount there were rumors that if T4 didn't get 100+ opening then there may be layoffs. “They’re lying,” said one distribution head at a major studio. Said another, “I don’t get it. Is it just arrogance? What is the point of inflating your box office numbers? So they can claim the first $100M movie opening of the year? Oh please, who cares? It’s a great opening anyway.” “Looking at Rentrak, at this time the average for the three-days is $22.964M, representing a total gross for three days of $97.76M. Rentrak collected 97% of the grosses for the three days. In my humble opinion, it would be impossible for $100M to be reported.” So yeah I will trust the numbers reported. Disney isn't a charity. It's a for profit corp. If you come to a situation where if you go with a Tibetian Ancient One you run into a mine field you have to mitigate the problems. China the second largest movie market would see it as a slap to the face. The Government decides what movies are released there, not individual businesses. If you slap China in the face publicly like that then that movie doesn't get released there. And if the government takes it real bad, maybe all of your movies from Marvel, Pixar, Disney, Touchstone, and Buena Vista are locked out permanently. (or at least for a long time) Then you have the artistic/creative problem. If you go comicbook accurate and have Strange learn from a Asian Master then you have the Mighty Whitey Trope. The trope is usually a displaced white person, of noble descent or at least wealthy , who ends up living with native tribes and not only learns their ways but also becomes their greatest warrior/leader/representative. It's played out we out grew that. So what was Disney to do? Piss off China AND perpetuate a cliched trope that was way to common when the books were written. They chose to make the Ancient One a title. The ancient one before her could've been a Tibetan or Chinese. They at least went with an interesting choice as Tilda Swenton. She has always had this other worldly quality and she's a great actress. Win Win. Ok and as for Valkyrie, casting directors don't just blindly pick from people agents send them. There is some planing involved. And the bigger the movie and part the more the casting call is refined. They discuss what is needed with director, show runner, producers, writers depending on the format. (in tv the writer is king, in movies director is king) Either way it's collaborative. If it's a small part or generic character they do a general casting call. In Blockbusters and with a strong President/Cinematic Runner(Kevin Feige) they discuss what is needed and the Casting Director actively comes up with a list of actors that could play the role. They contact the agents and schedule auditions for people the are looking for. Now with huge stars they don't audition. If they want Jack Nicholson they just offer him the role. The agents when the Casting Director calls also will try to get more of his clients auditions. They make suggestion too. Not just the ones the Casting Director wanted. So with this process they didn't start with Valkyrie needs to be white woman get me all the white actress in here. Someone in the chain of command be it President, Producer, Writer, Director, or casting director thought Tessa Thompson could pull off the character despite her not being a white woman. So they pulled her in. They had other auditions but Tessa beat the others out. So no Tessa didn't walk in the wrong room. As for Last Jedi while it made a lot of money, it was a flawed movie. I mean it's better than the prequels but that's a low bar. It's honestly like Rian Johnson looked at all the threads JJ Abrams wove into TFA and just cut them away. TFA's whole story was to get Rey to Luke. Giving him his old saber and what's the first thing Luke does in TLJ? Tosses over his shoulder like fuck this. JJ sets up big question WHO are REY"S Parents. Even so far as to use audio of of Obiwan and Yoda in her force vision. TLJ scraps that if Kylo is to be believed. Her parents are nobodies. Fans who were holding out hope that Rey's quick adaption to the force could be tied too her parents got their hopes dashed. (So she's definitely a Mary Sue. The only thing you could say about her beating Kylo in TFA was he was hit with the bowcaster but that's just not enough) Then you find out Luke for 1 sec doubted the himself and he was the reason why his nephew turned. The man that saw the good in Vader and got him to turn thought that he should kill his nephew??? Again mangling what JJ had eluded too. Kylo was seduced by Snoke and Luke was betrayed. Now we got Luke Betraying Kylo. Then we have Snoke. Now we didn't have a ton of backstory with Sidious in the originals. He was just Darth Vaders boss. So that's not to bad that Snoke was left Mysterious in TFA. Again though in TFA you get some little threads to follow. Who is Snoke. Is he a Sith? Is he Force Sensitive, how did he turn Kylo. Where did he come from. Instead of answering any of those questions from TFA what did Rian do? Kill him very predictably with out learning a god damn thing. It goes on and on. And They even robbed us of Luke facing down the First Order 1 Jedi against all that. And after his betrayal of his nephew he still couldn't see the good in him. And the movie Robs us of Luke going out from the encounter. He dies because the massive fucking strain of force projecting himself over light years. So no I wouldn't say people loved it. I think some people liked it so they saw it multiple times. I think the people who didn't dig it still saw it multiple times. I think their mission on the second and third trips was more of maybe I missed something. Maybe i can find things to like. I don't honestly know why the fuck they try to undo every thing that was set up in the first. It boggles the mind.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 11, 2018 8:19:33 GMT
Disney isn't a charity. It's a for profit corp. It is way beyond a for profit corp. Movies represent a tiny fraction of their asset holdings. If it was about profit, it would be interested in maximizing profits from all demographics-so it would make films that cater to North Americans, Europeans, etc, but it is not. Instead it wants to make "one size fits all" art--or so it claims. It really does not make any practical sense to hire a director like Johnson for a Star Wars movie when he says his idol is Woody Allen. If he said his idol was Sam Peckinpah there might be some logic-action directing etc, but Allen makes eccentric elite movies, the exact opposite of popcorn sci-fi serial adventures. From a business sense it makes no sense. Zero. Disney has the most power of any media corporation in the world at this point. But even the small fry do not follow a normal business model. Take Weinstein. He builds up Mira Sorvino as a marquee name-and then because she rejects his advances, he fires her and gets all the companies in town to blacklist her (something Peter Jackson confirmed). Think about it. Why on earth would that make good business sense? Why would the other companies honor his blacklist? Imagine if he was in the garment industry and Sorvino was a star designer-and he fires her overnight-then he tells all the rival garment companies not to hire her. Why would his competition agree? No other business operates like this. And how is it that they could go into the UK or Canadian government and get them on one hand to give them tax subsidies and on the other prevent domestic film from developing? Only companies that have lots of moolah and influence beyond their operating costs could do this. No-whoever owns Disney-has money. Their aim is information control. It is the only explanation that makes sense. All the news about successful films involve those that push their SJW agenda. Films that do not-like John Carter, are sacrifices. They deliberately advertise them poorly so they will fail, and then make a stock market speech about how audiences don't want films with traditional elements. So reports of a billion this and a billion that mean nothing. Guaranteed that Disney announces Avengers 3 is the biggest hit ever-and then the next one and the next one. No company has ever had such a track record. And its because the public loves SJW? Yeah right.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 11, 2018 8:32:32 GMT
^”formerly Primemover” Lmao not surprised. Mr. Conspiracy Theories.
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 11, 2018 8:50:26 GMT
The only billion dollar gross mcu deserves bravo
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 10:00:56 GMT
Disney isn't a charity. It's a for profit corp. It is way beyond a for profit corp. Movies represent a tiny fraction of their asset holdings. If it was about profit, it would be interested in maximizing profits from all demographics-so it would make films that cater to North Americans, Europeans, etc, but it is not. Instead it wants to make "one size fits all" art--or so it claims. It really does not make any practical sense to hire a director like Johnson for a Star Wars movie when he says his idol is Woody Allen. If he said his idol was Sam Peckinpah there might be some logic-action directing etc, but Allen makes eccentric elite movies, the exact opposite of popcorn sci-fi serial adventures. From a business sense it makes no sense. Zero. Disney has the most power of any media corporation in the world at this point. But even the small fry do not follow a normal business model. Take Weinstein. He builds up Mira Sorvino as a marquee name-and then because she rejects his advances, he fires her and gets all the companies in town to blacklist her (something Peter Jackson confirmed). Think about it. Why on earth would that make good business sense? Why would the other companies honor his blacklist? Imagine if he was in the garment industry and Sorvino was a star designer-and he fires her overnight-then he tells all the rival garment companies not to hire her. Why would his competition agree? No other business operates like this. And how is it that they could go into the UK or Canadian government and get them on one hand to give them tax subsidies and on the other prevent domestic film from developing? Only companies that have lots of moolah and influence beyond their operating costs could do this. No-whoever owns Disney-has money. Their aim is information control. It is the only explanation that makes sense. All the news about successful films involve those that push their SJW agenda. Films that do not-like John Carter, are sacrifices. They deliberately advertise them poorly so they will fail, and then make a stock market speech about how audiences don't want films with traditional elements. So reports of a billion this and a billion that mean nothing. Guaranteed that Disney announces Avengers 3 is the biggest hit ever-and then the next one and the next one. No company has ever had such a track record. And its because the public loves SJW? Yeah right. Disney periodically bombs a movie on purpose to keep people from figuring out their plan? Did they pit a Wrinkle in Time (super sjw) against Black Panther so it would fail? Also I don't think you know how many Disney movies didn't make their production budget back during their theatrical run. (so therefore a bomb some spectacularly ) You said John Carter but how about... Treasure Island Sorcerer's Apprentice Prince of Persia The Lone Ranger The Alamo Planes Cars 3 Holyman The Good Dinosaur Tomorrowland Super Mario Bros. Mars Needs Moms Real Steel Alice through the Looking Glass Haunted Mansion Prefontaine The Kid Deep Rising American Werewolf in Paris Mr. Magoo Mystery, Alaska RAce to Witch Mountain Mission to Mars Bicentennial Man Ed Wood Cabin Boy Mr. 3000 Kazaam Rocketman crazy/beautiful The BFG Dan in Real Life College Road Trip Reign of Fire The Ladykillers Surrogates Judge Dredd Instinct The 13th Warrior Eddie Delivery Man Stick It You Again Ice Princess and there's more.
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