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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 12:32:58 GMT
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Post by stargazer1682 on Feb 23, 2018 14:15:40 GMT
Hmmm... Didn't know the mansion burned down in a tie-in comic.... Didn't recall/know there was a tie-in comic... I'm a little surprised they didn't mention that on the show, or completely missed it if it did. Makes me wonder how much they would hold to that continuity; since, if they disregarded it, how many people would really notice?
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Post by General Kenobi on Feb 24, 2018 15:27:32 GMT
I forgot there was a tie-in comic and that the mansion was burned down in it. Guess that explains why we no longer see it on the show. But you think something like this would be mentioned on the show, instead of assuming everyone reads the comics.
Though this does make it a lot easier if the show decides to retcon it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 11:45:17 GMT
I forgot there was a tie-in comic and that the mansion was burned down in it. Guess that explains why we no longer see it on the show. But you think something like this would be mentioned on the show, instead of assuming everyone reads the comics. Though this does make it a lot easier if the show decides to retcon it. Apparently a tie in comic book was how Olicity started too. I never read it but from what I remember reading on the old 'Arrow' board there was one based between Season 2 and 3 that showed when Oliver and Felicity started having feelings for each other and Olicity fans used to always talk about it when people criticised their relationship and said there were no signs of it on Season 2 and that was a really crappy way to handle it and it was no wonder why so many people disliked their relationship from the start. Not that I am a fan but if you are going to have two of the main characters of a show in a relationship with each other things like that should be on screen and not in just a random tie in comic book a lot of fans haven't read or know exists. Wouldn't you agree?
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 13, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
No proof in the world can convince me Oliver has feelings for Felicity. She's using mind control to keep him around her little finger.
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Post by BexxyJ on Mar 14, 2018 6:04:34 GMT
Does anybody still think of ships at sea when you see titles like this?
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 14, 2018 19:24:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 11:58:47 GMT
No proof in the world can convince me Oliver has feelings for Felicity. She's using mind control to keep him around her little finger. No. The writers haven't done a good job with Oliver and Felicity's relationship so far. It feels very forced and I would have preferred if they had followed the comic books and had Green Arrow with the Black Canary but they screwed up the Green Arrow and Black Canary relationship by having Oliver Queen and Dinah Laurel Lance have a history with one another before the show which included Oliver sleeping with her sister and Olicity fans and Katie Cassidy haters knew that and capitalised on it. They pushed and pushed for Felicity to get together with Oliver and I think in some ways 'Olicity' was service to all the fans who were upset Clark didn't end up with Chloe at the end of 'Smallville.'
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 15, 2018 13:20:18 GMT
Yeah, but she ended up with Oliver on Smallville; somehow these shows keep putting Oliver with the blonde, walking manifestation of a Deus ex machina, instead of who he should be with.
That Oliver cheated on Laurel shouldn't have been anything more than a challenge for them to overcome, because Oliver is supposed to be a manwhore, who can't keep it in his pants. With that said, my issue with Oliver and Laurel was that I just never really cared about them together, and didn't see enough of a spark between them. The only person I've ever liked with Oliver to date was Sara.
St one time my argument against Olicity would have been that Felicity deserved better than Oliver. I'm not sure that argument can still be made, but not because Oliver's become approachable; Felicity is just sort of there, and doesn't seem to serve much purpose than to pass judgement on any given circumstance. Meanwhile, Oliver just seems absent around Felicity. Most of the time he doesn't seem to really look at her when they're taking; he looks past her. And I've yet to see him actually look her like one would expect someone who is looking at a person they love. At best, he looks numb and void of real emotion; which could be a good story. At worst, he looks constipated, but definitely not in love.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 15, 2018 14:05:57 GMT
Well Felicity was only supposed to appear in a handful of episodes and was never developed as a character beyond that. The problem is when her role was increased they didn't know what to do with her, giving her an inconsistent characterization. The only consistency has been quirky hacker girl and Oliver's arm candy. When written so shallow it's easy to wear out your welcome real quick.
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Post by dazz on Mar 15, 2018 21:24:37 GMT
They did develop her that's the problem they developed her into a twat, and the cut the balls off every character to try and hide the fact she's a twat...fucking twats.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 16, 2018 16:49:48 GMT
Yeah, you're right. They tried to develop her and it failed. Miserably. But it's more window dressing then actual characterization. To cover up the fact she is competely shallow and void of any depth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 11:24:51 GMT
Yeah, but she ended up with Oliver on Smallville; somehow these shows keep putting Oliver with the blonde, walking manifestation of a Deus ex machina, instead of who he should be with. That Oliver cheated on Laurel shouldn't have been anything more than a challenge for them to overcome, because Oliver is supposed to be a manwhore, who can't keep it in his pants. With that said, my issue with Oliver and Laurel was that I just never really cared about them together, and didn't see enough of a spark between them. The only person I've ever liked with Oliver to date was Sara. St one time my argument against Olicity would have been that Felicity deserved better than Oliver. I'm not sure that argument can still be made, but not because Oliver's become approachable; Felicity is just sort of there, and doesn't seem to serve much purpose than to pass judgement on any given circumstance. Meanwhile, Oliver just seems absent around Felicity. Most of the time he doesn't seem to really look at her when they're taking; he looks past her. And I've yet to see him actually look her like one would expect someone who is looking at a person they love. At best, he looks numb and void of real emotion; which could be a good story. At worst, he looks constipated, but definitely not in love. To me the biggest problem wasn't the act of cheating itself but the fact that Oliver cheated on Laurel with her sister. There is a big difference between just cheating with another person and cheating with your sister and I don't know if you have any siblings but my Sister and I are very close which is what was described of Laurel and Sara and I know she would have never done anything like that to me and I wouldn't have done anything like that to her 'cause we are family and we love each other. I feel they went too far having it as Laurel's sister Oliver was cheating with and I thought it was unrealistic the way Laurel was so forgiving of both Oliver and Sara with that. That being said the bigger problem was Oliver and Laurel having a back history together and in none of the comic books I have read did the Black Canary and Green Arrow have that and when they met Dinah Laurel Lance was already an established superhero in her own right who had just taken over her Mother's spot as the Black Canary and Oliver was the Green Arrow. Had they had Laurel come to Star City (or Starling as it was known as back then) as the Black Canary when Oliver was starting out as the Arrow I feel it would have worked better and they could have had it that the two of them didn't like each other that much at first but decided they had to work together to stop crime and eventually fall in love. In a lot of Action and Sci Fi shows where they have the main characters in a relationship they don't get together until a few seasons into the show and I think they should have waited until at least Season 3 or 4 to put them together and build up to a relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 11:30:53 GMT
Well Felicity was only supposed to appear in a handful of episodes and was never developed as a character beyond that. The problem is when her role was increased they didn't know what to do with her, giving her an inconsistent characterization. The only consistency has been quirky hacker girl and Oliver's arm candy. When written so shallow it's easy to wear out your welcome real quick. Yeah. I think they only upgraded her to a Season regular 'cause of the vocal Felicity fans and Katie Cassidy haters who wanted Oliver in a relationship with her instead of Laurel and looking back at how much they used to praise up Felicity as one of the most developed and interesting characters on the show and put down Laurel saying the Black Canary was just a suit and had no real role in the show their beloved Felicity is nothing more than a love interest and occasional hacker now that doesn't appear to have a life of her own.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 18, 2018 13:15:22 GMT
Well there was also a CW exec who liked the character and wanted to see more of her. Arrow was supposed to be the CW's attempt to get out of the niche they had written themselves into but when they saw Felicity old tendencies flared up and they quickly turned the show into yet another bland CW melodramatic romance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 12:25:00 GMT
Well there was also a CW exec who liked the character and wanted to see more of her. Arrow was supposed to be the CW's attempt to get out of the niche they had written themselves into but when they saw Felicity old tendencies flared up and they quickly turned the show into yet another bland CW melodramatic romance. I didn't know there was a CW Network executive that liked Felicity and wanted to see more of her. I heard Marc was very fond of the character and always thought that was the main reason she was pushed so strongly apart from the 'Olicity' fans loving her. The CW Network does have a lot of bland Melodramatic Romance shows and it was that which the Olicity fans were using as an excuse to make 'Arrow' into a romance show when they were saying they wanted to get rid of all the action but it has also had a lot of other shows that weren't of that genre and they had 'Buffy' and 'Angel' that were on their former network, WB which I heard had the same owners and they have 'Supernatural' which doesn't have any romance in the show 'cause the diehard Sam and Dean fans won't let any female characters get close to their boyfriends.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 20, 2018 16:23:27 GMT
It was all three. Think of it as a triumvirate of suckitude.
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