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Post by Father Jack on Mar 1, 2018 0:27:48 GMT
It's a complete shitfest. Already dropped from Champions League.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 1, 2018 1:23:08 GMT
I don't get it. Do you want decisions to be called correctly or not? Oh, "football is about emotion". Great, let's have more incidents like Lampard's goal against Germany being disallowed because the ref didn't see it, because it's more "emotional".
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 1, 2018 1:56:39 GMT
I don't get it. Do you want decisions to be called correctly or not? Oh, "football is about emotion". Great, let's have more incidents like Lampard's goal against Germany being disallowed because the ref didn't see it, because it's more "emotional". Not a very good example. Goal line technology is separate from VAR and gives an almost instantaneous response. |
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 1, 2018 2:01:29 GMT
I don't get it. Do you want decisions to be called correctly or not? Oh, "football is about emotion". Great, let's have more incidents like Lampard's goal against Germany being disallowed because the ref didn't see it, because it's more "emotional". Not a very good example. Goal line technology is separate from VAR and gives an almost instantaneous response. Oh, I wasn't aware of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 2:24:34 GMT
I don't get it. Do you want decisions to be called correctly or not? Oh, "football is about emotion". Great, let's have more incidents like Lampard's goal against Germany being disallowed because the ref didn't see it, because it's more "emotional". It's not so much wanting the decisions correct, from all I've heard the results have been inconsistent, and they're taking some time to make the decisions without, presumably, telling the crowd what's going on. If like NFL the ref announced to the crowd what was being reviewed, that might help a little bit, perhaps. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 10:12:30 GMT
Time to scrap it I think.
To be fair, they *normally* come to the right decision most the time, but it takes too long, and I don't really see how they can speed it up that much. Plus occasionally, they are clearly making poor decisions (are we sure the video ref wasn't tuned into coronation street last night?).
Someone made the point two or three weeks ago, the Liverpool-Spurs game a few weeks back, terrific see-saw ending, but had there been VAR for that match, you would have sucked all the life out of that game in the last 15 minutes and we would have been robbed of a grandstand finish.
By all means carry on experimenting if they must (I'm sceptical they will ever make this thing palatable), but experiment in a low level league that no one cares about (like the Bundesliga).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 12:19:49 GMT
Actually, I've just looked back on that disallowed goal on the BBC site, if you watch Llorente (just watch him, not the ball), you can see he is pulling the defender's arm, easy to miss, I didn't spot it first time, so actually I think they made a good spot. Still want VAR out, mind you. As for the Son incident (the disallowed penalty), this one is weird. When I was a kid, the rule was you were supposed to take one clean run up (no feinting), but I always thought it was one of those rules that is rarely enforced. But just looked it up, I think they must have changed the rule at some point. This is a direct copy/paste from the FIFA site: " Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is
permitted as part of football.
However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is
considered an act of unsporting behaviour the player
shall be cautioned." www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_14_the_penalty_kick_en_47369.pdfThere are some poorly written rules in the FIFA handbook, but that has to be right up there with the worst. So what exactly is the difference between a legal feint and an unsporting feint? Answers on a postcard please. (or you can just hit the reply button, it's a bit quicker) |
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 1, 2018 12:25:23 GMT
There are some poorly written rules in the FIFA handbook, but that has to be right up there with the worst. So what exactly is the difference between a legal feint and an unsporting feint? Answers on a postcard please. (or you can just hit the reply button, it's a bit quicker) If Johnny Foreigner does it, it's unsporting. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 1, 2018 15:46:05 GMT
Actually, I've just looked back on that disallowed goal on the BBC site, if you watch Llorente (just watch him, not the ball), you can see he is pulling the defender's arm, easy to miss, I didn't spot it first time, so actually I think they made a good spot. Still want VAR out, mind you. As for the Son incident (the disallowed penalty), this one is weird. When I was a kid, the rule was you were supposed to take one clean run up (no feinting), but I always thought it was one of those rules that is rarely enforced. But just looked it up, I think they must have changed the rule at some point. This is a direct copy/paste from the FIFA site: " Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is
permitted as part of football.
However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is
considered an act of unsporting behaviour the player
shall be cautioned." www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_14_the_penalty_kick_en_47369.pdfThere are some poorly written rules in the FIFA handbook, but that has to be right up there with the worst. So what exactly is the difference between a legal feint and an unsporting feint? Answers on a postcard please. (or you can just hit the reply button, it's a bit quicker) Honigstein says the rules make it clear the Son pen goal should have stood. Perfectly OK to feint in the run up: |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 15:59:54 GMT
Actually, I've just looked back on that disallowed goal on the BBC site, if you watch Llorente (just watch him, not the ball), you can see he is pulling the defender's arm, easy to miss, I didn't spot it first time, so actually I think they made a good spot. Still want VAR out, mind you. As for the Son incident (the disallowed penalty), this one is weird. When I was a kid, the rule was you were supposed to take one clean run up (no feinting), but I always thought it was one of those rules that is rarely enforced. But just looked it up, I think they must have changed the rule at some point. This is a direct copy/paste from the FIFA site: " Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is
permitted as part of football.
However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is
considered an act of unsporting behaviour the player
shall be cautioned." www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_14_the_penalty_kick_en_47369.pdfThere are some poorly written rules in the FIFA handbook, but that has to be right up there with the worst. So what exactly is the difference between a legal feint and an unsporting feint? Answers on a postcard please. (or you can just hit the reply button, it's a bit quicker) Honigstein says the rules make it clear the Son pen goal should have stood. Perfectly OK to feint in the run up: Yeah, he's right, I just looked it up, the FA rules are worded a bit differently to the FIFA rules. |
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