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Post by Father Jack on Mar 2, 2018 13:02:09 GMT
Good. That shitty experiment is over then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:05:44 GMT
I wouldn't be against using it (in some forms) for major finals.
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Post by Father Jack on Mar 2, 2018 13:07:17 GMT
I wouldn't be against using it (in some forms) for major finals. It was a bad idea from the start. Dead and buried now, in England at least. I'm fine with goal line technology though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:30:41 GMT
While I think it's inevitable that VAR will be introduced at some point, I'm not in favour of introducing this 'version' of it. It's been clumsily handled and, from what we've seen, rightly mauled and mocked. The EPL is quite right to say 'no thanks' until it's usage is significantly improved.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 2, 2018 13:59:34 GMT
It would be fine if they could find a way to speed it up significantly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 16:15:39 GMT
It would be fine if they could find a way to speed it up significantly. Yeah, exactly, it would be great if it was instant, even 5-10 seconds, but that's impossible I think. We all know what it is like, sometimes you need to watch a replay 3-4 times to be certain, sometimes a lot more, and even then you can't always be sure or it comes down to a matter of opinion. A video referee is gonna be no different, and I imagine there is even more pressure on them to come to a 'right' decision, which is why they take so long, and if you don't give them enough time, they are gonna make mistakes, so you may as well just stick with the guy on the ground and go with his call. Maybe they could have a system like tennis where you get one review per half? But even then I'm not sure about that, in tennis they are just making line calls, in football there is infinitely more things going on, stuff off the ball, offsides, judgement calls and so on. I'm relieved actually that the authorities can see that it doesn't work for 'the beautiful game', I had a horrible feeling they were gonna try and force it in anyway, well I suppose they still might at the world cup. So yeah, until we develop amazing software and computational power that can make near instant calls on penalties, fouls, offsides, 'intentional' handballs, red cards and so on, I think we'll just have to muddle along with the "bastard in the black". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 17:10:25 GMT
It would be fine if they could find a way to speed it up significantly. Yeah, exactly, it would be great if it was instant, even 5-10 seconds, but that's impossible I think. We all know what it is like, sometimes you need to watch a replay 3-4 times to be certain, sometimes a lot more, and even then you can't always be sure or it comes down to a matter of opinion. A video referee is gonna be no different, and I imagine there is even more pressure on them to come to a 'right' decision, which is why they take so long, and if you don't give them enough time, they are gonna make mistakes, so you may as well just stick with the guy on the ground and go with his call. Maybe they could have a system like tennis where you get one review per half? But even then I'm not sure about that, in tennis they are just making line calls, in football there is infinitely more things going on, stuff off the ball, offsides, judgement calls and so on. I'm relieved actually that the authorities can see that it doesn't work for 'the beautiful game', I had a horrible feeling they were gonna try and force it in anyway, well I suppose they still might at the world cup. So yeah, until we develop amazing software and computational power that can make near instant calls on penalties, fouls, offsides, 'intentional' handballs, red cards and so on, I think we'll just have to muddle along with the "bastard in the black". With regards 'positional' infringements like off-sides and encroachment the technology required is already available. It's the same stuff goal-line technology uses, it just needs to be adapted. The other stuff I entirely support the avenue of limited 'challenges' to invoke VAR by the opposing team. Like, 2 incorrect challenges per game? If your challenge is upheld, you still have two left, if not you're down to one. Once that's gone that's it, and so on. Otherwise the ref is king. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 2, 2018 17:25:58 GMT
It would be fine if they could find a way to speed it up significantly. Yeah, exactly, it would be great if it was instant, even 5-10 seconds, but that's impossible I think. We all know what it is like, sometimes you need to watch a replay 3-4 times to be certain, sometimes a lot more, and even then you can't always be sure or it comes down to a matter of opinion. Exactly. I am sure we've all seen cases where experts can't agree on a call even after watching the replay multiple times from different angles. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 17:30:03 GMT
Yeah, exactly, it would be great if it was instant, even 5-10 seconds, but that's impossible I think. We all know what it is like, sometimes you need to watch a replay 3-4 times to be certain, sometimes a lot more, and even then you can't always be sure or it comes down to a matter of opinion. A video referee is gonna be no different, and I imagine there is even more pressure on them to come to a 'right' decision, which is why they take so long, and if you don't give them enough time, they are gonna make mistakes, so you may as well just stick with the guy on the ground and go with his call. Maybe they could have a system like tennis where you get one review per half? But even then I'm not sure about that, in tennis they are just making line calls, in football there is infinitely more things going on, stuff off the ball, offsides, judgement calls and so on. I'm relieved actually that the authorities can see that it doesn't work for 'the beautiful game', I had a horrible feeling they were gonna try and force it in anyway, well I suppose they still might at the world cup. So yeah, until we develop amazing software and computational power that can make near instant calls on penalties, fouls, offsides, 'intentional' handballs, red cards and so on, I think we'll just have to muddle along with the "bastard in the black". With regards 'positional' infringements like off-sides and encroachment the technology required is already available. It's the same stuff goal-line technology uses, it just needs to be adapted. The other stuff I entirely support the avenue of limited 'challenges' to invoke VAR by the opposing team. Like, 2 incorrect challenges per game? If your challenge is upheld, you still have two left, if not you're down to one. Once that's gone that's it, and so on. Otherwise the ref is king. Yeah, the technology to do the offsides shouldn't be too far away, I imagine it is still difficult though for it to be fully automated, as a computer still needs to be able to decipher when the ball has left the player's foot for the through ball, and which players are on which team. But sure it could be done. Once that can be fully automated and tested then it can be introduced. The other stuff, like penalties, red cards, yellow cards, "intentional" handballs etc, we're light years away, doubt we'll see software in our lifetimes that will be able to make those kind of judgements. Kind of hope we never see it anyway, just because computers will be beginning to get scary at that point! |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 2, 2018 18:19:53 GMT
I wonder if it wouldn't be better if video assistance were more informal, so to speak. Instead of having the referee stop the game to review a play, or having the teams request a review, just have a second referee watching the replays and ready to step in when a particularly egregious error has been committed. Not sure how that could be codified in the rules of the game, but I think it would be a good compromise.
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