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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 21:28:57 GMT
I'm a Lakers Fan and unfortunately, I don't think LeBron James is going to be joining them next season (Not as long as Lonzo Ball and his father's mouth & ego are part of the team, plus didn't LeBron James and Isiah Thomas not get along with each other in Cleveland ?). I honestly think that LeBron James will either Stay with Cleveland or go to Houston. I'm completely dismissing Houston and L.A. LeBron is an Alpha who's learned his lessons in life. He was ridiculed beyond belief for forming an Elite 3 in Miami. He'd be doing the same in Houston. And to go to L.A.? The most iconic franchise in the NBA under Magic? I just don't see it. Joining a young and up and coming elite squad and taking them to a title? Solidifying his spot as the Greatest of All-Time even above Jordan and Wilt? I can see that. We're not talking Memphis or Toronto here - we're talking a rich cultured historic iconic diverse city:
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 3, 2018 15:52:58 GMT
Anywhere but Houston please.
Dear god dont let him come here.
He isnt going to Philly either, sorry. Fuitz hasnt even played a game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:24:28 GMT
Anywhere but Houston please. Dear god dont let him come here. He isnt going to Philly either, sorry. Fuitz hasnt even played a game. fultzy played 4 games at the beginning of the year. rumor and video has it he's looking more comfortable with a turn around fadeaway jumper outside of the paint - although there's still no video of him jacking up 3s left and right and hitting nothing but net like back at Washington - i'd shut him down for the year. ton of free agent money and two potential lotto picks next year (although at this point i fully expect them to make the playoffs) i really like what they've done after the trade deadline. picking up marco belinelli and ersan ilysova and buying out Booker. their bench isn't so putrid now fun times are here again. i'm sure you've seen on the news the 3 billboards which were posted by a company in the suburbs of Philly in Cleveland. great stuff. lebron stated he was flattered and there were rumors he's been checking out philly schools for his kids:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 18:37:14 GMT
I don't know. It looked to me like there were a couple little moments between Embiid and James last night where they were planning their future together. Yep. They definitely seem 'Buddy - Buddy' - and James is pretty much Simmons 'mentor' - they both share the same agent.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 3, 2018 20:02:03 GMT
No point in going to the Lakers. Warriors and Rockets aren't going anywhere. If he wants to head West, Houston and GS are the obvious choices, with both quite happy to open their wallets in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 20:11:14 GMT
No point in going to the Lakers. Warriors and Rockets aren't going anywhere. If he wants to head West, Houston and GS are the obvious choices, with both quite happy to open their wallets in recent years. But - do you think he would go that route again? i.e. joining an elite team? To me - it would just taint his legacy a bit - if he wants to solidify his spot as the greatest of All-Time - Philly is the perfect spot. They're on the rise and haven't won anything since Doc, Moses, Cheeks, Toney, etc in '83. I can't see him joining Durant/Steph & Co. or Harden/Paul.....the backlash against him when he joined Wade/Bosh was amazing - which is why I think he eventually 'went home' and won Cleveland a title. He owes them nothing now - but he just doesn't seem like the type of guy to me to go somewhere and 'fit in' and be a 'piece' for the 2nd time after all the backlash the 1st time. He's still only 33. He goes to Philly and can grab a few more titles leading the likes of Embiid, Simmons, Saric & Co. To me that puts him over Jordan and Wilt. He goes to GS or Houston and wins a few more titles - meh - I'm still putting Jordan and Wilt over him
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 3, 2018 20:15:12 GMT
They're both in Kareen's shadow anyway just to be as confrontational as possible.
I don't know where he'll land, I just think he'd be silly to go to the Lakers at this point in his career and at this stage in their development. He'll want to go somewhere that will immediately be a contender.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 20:20:46 GMT
They're both in Kareen's shadow anyway just to be as confrontational as possible. I don't know where he'll land, I just think he'd be silly to go to the Lakers at this point in his career and at this stage in their development. He'll want to go somewhere that will immediately be a contender. He goes to the Sixers - they'll immediately become a contender. You think Kareem was better than Jordan and Wilt? Interesting. Why so? I'm ignorant to Kareem and Wilt - All I have to go off of is other's stories/reading up on them/Youtube, etc....... Maybe you can school me on Kareem - he seemed to have a nice 'mid range' game - i.e. his sky hook - but could he bully people down low? and did he have an outside shot (outside of mid range)? i'm probably a product of my environment and when I grew up - and you'd probably want to tar and feather me - but I'd put Shaq over Kareem (and isn't Kareem the all time points leader?) nobody could handle Shaq - and Shaq was around with Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, etc......
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 3, 2018 21:27:55 GMT
Put Kareem with any kind of help, you win your conference. Simple as that. Kareem's mid range game was ok, but he was essentially a post player, but a dominant one at both ends. The main reason I advocate for Kareem and also Wilt is that they're criminally under rated by younger fans. People who put all of Kareem's success down to Magic usually based around Finals MVPs. The truth is that if Kareem wasn't injured for Game 6 of the 1980 Finals, he wins the Finals MVP that year. He was the MVP for the Lakers through 5 games. In Wilt's case he would have been a 7 or 8 time champion had he played in any other era. He just kept running into the Celtics and then ran into a historically dominant Kareem in 1970. Wilt was tbe total package for a center. Dominant at both ends, actually went throygh periods of his career when he was a pureky offensive pkayer and finished as a mainly defensice centre and led the league in assists (8.3 per game in his best season). I thought he was very unfairly criticised for limping from the court late in game 7 of the 1969 finals, and made up for it by playing through considerable pain (29 rebounds in game 5 with damaged hand and finger tendons) in tbe victorious 72 Finals.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Mar 3, 2018 21:40:23 GMT
They're both in Kareen's shadow anyway just to be as confrontational as possible. I don't know where he'll land, I just think he'd be silly to go to the Lakers at this point in his career and at this stage in their development. He'll want to go somewhere that will immediately be a contender. He goes to the Sixers - they'll immediately become a contender. You think Kareem was better than Jordan and Wilt? Interesting. Why so? I'm ignorant to Kareem and Wilt - All I have to go off of is other's stories/reading up on them/Youtube, etc....... Maybe you can school me on Kareem - he seemed to have a nice 'mid range' game - i.e. his sky hook - but could he bully people down low? and did he have an outside shot (outside of mid range)? i'm probably a product of my environment and when I grew up - and you'd probably want to tar and feather me - but I'd put Shaq over Kareem (and isn't Kareem the all time points leader?) nobody could handle Shaq - and Shaq was around with Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, etc...... But if he goes to the "Sixers" he is going to an elite team as well. Ben Simmons is a monster. A fn monster, I love the guy. I traded in f. basketball for Simmons/Jokic for K. Lowry/D. Collison/P. Gasol/Covington, that's how much I think Simmons is a monster (And getting Jovic too!). Hed still be on an elite team with Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. Rockets have two stars in CP3 and Harden. GSW have four in Green/Curry/Durant/Klay, idk how Lebron could even go there. I guess....Curry/Klay/Durant/Lebron/Green, but that's ridiculous. CP3 and Harden w/ probably the most improved player in Capela...it go CP3/Harden/Lebron/Whoever we slide in at PF/Capela. Ariza goes to the bench with Gordon. If he wants to "do it on his own" LAL is where to go. They got a young Lonzo Ball, a young Kyle Kuzma, I doubt they keep IT, they got Ingram and a few other pieces. You guys nabbed Ersan!? I missed that, nice pickup, I like Ersan, he can give you a solid 18-22 minutes off the bench. Massive pick up for them. To me, 76ers are about a year or two from being an elite team, so he'd basically be doing it again. Lebron goes to Phiilly, it taints his legacy as well. Kyrie did what imho a star does, goes to make his own path. Boston doesnt have a "true" star, Gordon died at the beginning, Horford is a good player, no all star. Im sorry, there is an asterisk if he goes to Philly. They got as many all stars as Houston (CP3 and Harden / Embiid/Simmons) WTF has CP3/Harden won? Theyve won the same amount Simmons/Embiid won. Houston has 2 all stars GSW has 4 Philly has 2 Lakers doesnt have one. Lebron would help LAL become insane, with Lonzo and Kyle Kuzma. Makes his own path. Lebron wont, if he goes to Philly, im putting Jordan and Wilt over him, Im putting Jordan over him regardless, Lebron always jumps on anothers mans nuts. Did it with Wade. Did it with Kyrie. If he goes to Philly does it with Ben and Joel. Sorry, it still taints it to me, he goes to a team with 2 major stars. Embiid is like Bosh, but imho, Bosh had no backbone, Embiid is a tough sob. Simmons is Wade. Just as talented. It's the same d@mn thing...but theyll even have another piece in Fultz...+JJ Reddick aka the R. Allen. It's the same god dang thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 21:42:26 GMT
Put Kareem with any kind of help, you win your conference. Simple as that. Kareem's mid range game was ok, but he was essentially a post player, but a dominant one at both ends. The main reason I advocate for Kareem and also Wilt is that they're criminally under rated by younger fans. People who put all of Kareem's success down to Magic usually based around Finals MVPs. The truth is that if Kareem wasn't injured for Game 6 of the 1980 Finals, he wins the Finals MVP that year. He was the MVP for the Lakers through 5 games. In Wilt's case he would have been a 7 or 8 time champion had he played in any other era. He just kept running into the Celtics and then ran into a historically dominant Kareem in 1970. Wilt was tbe total package for a center. Dominant at both ends, actually went throygh periods of his career when he was a pureky offensive pkayer and finished as a mainly defensice centre and led the league in assists (8.3 per game in his best season). I thought he was very unfairly criticised for limping from the court late in game 7 of the 1969 finals, and made up for it by playing through considerable pain (29 rebounds in game 5 with damaged hand and finger tendons) in tbe victorious 72 Finals. This is interesting - and again - I'm ignorant to Kareem because I never got to see him - but from just 'clips' and his sky hook - I kind of regarded him as soft who would have gotten bullied by the likes of Shaq and Ewing. From what I'm told/have read the Sixers basically traded for Moses Malone so they can go over the Lakers (which I guess worked in '83) Who are your top 5 Centers of All-Time? Would you put Olajuwan anywhere near Kareem, Wilt and Russell? This is who Embiid is being compared to most - and I love it Embiid has quite a nice 'Dream Shake' to his game now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 21:49:25 GMT
He goes to the Sixers - they'll immediately become a contender. You think Kareem was better than Jordan and Wilt? Interesting. Why so? I'm ignorant to Kareem and Wilt - All I have to go off of is other's stories/reading up on them/Youtube, etc....... Maybe you can school me on Kareem - he seemed to have a nice 'mid range' game - i.e. his sky hook - but could he bully people down low? and did he have an outside shot (outside of mid range)? i'm probably a product of my environment and when I grew up - and you'd probably want to tar and feather me - but I'd put Shaq over Kareem (and isn't Kareem the all time points leader?) nobody could handle Shaq - and Shaq was around with Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, etc...... But if he goes to the "Sixers" he is going to an elite team as well. Ben Simmons is a monster. A fn monster, I love the guy. I traded in f. basketball for Simmons/Jokic for K. Lowry/D. Collison/P. Gasol/Covington, that's how much I think Simmons is a monster (And getting Jovic too!). Hed still be on an elite team with Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. Rockets have two stars in CP3 and Harden. GSW have four in Green/Curry/Durant/Klay, idk how Lebron could even go there. I guess....Curry/Klay/Durant/Lebron/Green, but that's ridiculous. CP3 and Harden w/ probably the most improved player in Capela...it go CP3/Harden/Lebron/Whoever we slide in at PF/Capela. Ariza goes to the bench with Gordon. If he wants to "do it on his own" LAL is where to go. They got a young Lonzo Ball, a young Kyle Kuzma, I doubt they keep IT, they got Ingram and a few other pieces. You guys nabbed Ersan!? I missed that, nice pickup, I like Ersan, he can give you a solid 18-22 minutes off the bench. Massive pick up for them. To me, 76ers are about a year or two from being an elite team, so he'd basically be doing it again. Lebron goes to Phiilly, it taints his legacy as well. Kyrie did what imho a star does, goes to make his own path. Boston doesnt have a "true" star, Gordon died at the beginning, Horford is a good player, no all star. Im sorry, there is an asterisk if he goes to Philly. They got as many all stars as Houston (CP3 and Harden / Embiid/Simmons) WTF has CP3/Harden won? Theyve won the same amount Simmons/Embiid won. Houston has 2 all stars GSW has 4 Philly has 2 Lakers doesnt have one. Lebron would help LAL become insane, with Lonzo and Kyle Kuzma. Makes his own path. Lebron wont, if he goes to Philly, im putting Jordan and Wilt over him, Im putting Jordan over him regardless, Lebron always jumps on anothers mans nuts. Did it with Wade. Did it with Kyrie. If he goes to Philly does it with Ben and Joel. Sorry, it still taints it to me, he goes to a team with 2 major stars. Embiid is like Bosh, but imho, Bosh had no backbone, Embiid is a tough sob. Simmons is Wade. Just as talented. It's the same d@mn thing...but theyll even have another piece in Fultz...+JJ Reddick aka the R. Allen. It's the same god dang thing. i read your post above and smiled when i read if he'd signed with the Sixers he'd be going ot an 'elite team' too. it's nice to see them getting recognized now after all this time, patience - still not there yet. next year i expect them to compete for the Eastern Conference Championship - the year after - kick the door in. ersan was with them last year and traded at the trade deadline. i love the guy. takes a couple of charges a game - and spaces the floor perfectly at the '4' - something that Trevor Booker (like his hustle) couldn't do. they seem to be a well rounded team now. my hope is (and I think he will) Redick signs during the offseason and comes off the bench as a sharpshooter and Fultz is 100% healthy. really intrigued by the draft and free agency (moreso) and what pieces they can put around Simmons and Embiid to contend. your Rockets are looking sweet. last i looked - tied with the Warriors for best record - wouldn't mind seeing them in the Finals against the Cavs or Celts or Wiz (love John Wall and am becoming a Beal fan - he's played tremendous since Wall went down and has carried them when I thought they'd fall apart)
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 4, 2018 0:20:59 GMT
Overall I'd rate Hakeem ahead of Shaq, but not by much. In 1994 he became the only man to win League MVP and Defensive player of the year in the same season. He took a young Shaq to school in the '95 Finals. By the time Shaq peaked, Hakeem was in decline. I look at the overlap between Hakeem and Ewing, young and prime David Robinson, Barkley and compare it to Shaq's competition. Monstering Duncan and Robinson is impressive, but who else was there of that caliber? Mourning in his prime? Dikembe? Vlade Divac? Can't say Ben Wallace because he won a ring against the Lakers.
Top 5 I'd have: 1. Kareem, 2. Wilt, 3.Russell, 4. Hakeem and 5. Malone/ Shaq. Malone and Shaq were similar in that their best was as good as anything we've ever seen, but was relatively short. A lot of people look at Shaq's stats either side of his peak and argue he was elite, which he still was, but nothing compared to what Kareem and Wilt put up in a typical year. With Russell, he had a big advantage in that he could cencentrate on defense as he had great attacking weapons around him. Thay allowed him to be as dominant a defensive center as we'd ever seen, and his offence was respectable, but if he's put in a situation where he needs to take 30+ shots per game, does he win 11 championships? Doubt it.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Mar 4, 2018 5:32:09 GMT
I can't see him going to the Lakers. They aren't good, and his presence won't take them to the level of the Warriors or the Rockets. If he cares alot about acquiring rings, then going to the Lakers seems like a poor way to go about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:23:02 GMT
I can't see him going to the Lakers. They aren't good, and his presence won't take them to the level of the Warriors or the Rockets. If he cares alot about acquiring rings, then going to the Lakers seems like a poor way to go about it. Can you also see him playing for a team and is in a way in Kobe's and Magic's shadows being the were two iconic Lakers for years upon years upon years? I actually see LeBron going to the Clips before the Lakers if he does want to go to L.A. It's more of an 'Alpha' move IMO since they really don't have a rich history.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 5, 2018 13:50:26 GMT
I just cannot see him going anywhere else but Philly at this point. All signs point to it. They can give him a max deal, he stays in the East, he is good friends with Simmons and they share an agent, they will contend. He is not going to LA IMO and not staying in Cleveland.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 10:48:50 GMT
Clips of Markelle Fultz shootaround Vs. Bucks last Sunday and Charlotte last night. Good stuff. Great to see Embiid this year protect this kid and act like a 'Big Brother'.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 7, 2018 14:51:44 GMT
I would love to see Fultz come back this year before the playoffs and contribute to this team. He is exactly what we need. I just think they will shut him down the rest of the season. He is not injured either. Such a strange situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 15:13:52 GMT
I would love to see Fultz come back this year before the playoffs and contribute to this team. He is exactly what we need. I just think they will shut him down the rest of the season. He is not injured either. Such a strange situation. Mental. Kid is 'fragile' which is OK. Just shut him down and get him healthy in the head and body. My fear is he comes back - doesn't play well and it effects his confidence and head even further. He's got all the talent in the world and is exactly what they need - just get the kid healthy and come back next year. Kevin Love just came out last night in the media talking about 'Panic Attacks' which have effected him which is all over ESPN right now. This like a week after DeMar Derozan just came out talking about his 'Depression' problems. I think Fultz is going to be fine and is going to be a star. He's 19. Essentially a kid. He didn't have a foundation and support group growing up and it looks like the Sixers are babying and coddling him which is fine to me - I want to see him shine next October after what we see what they do in free agency and the draft. Next year is going to be a blast.
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